Pretty soon we'll be living in a police state and, unfortunately, there will be plenty of people fine with that.

I'm not sure how much they've done for safety, but I know the other day I slammed on my brakes and ended up half way into the intersection because a split decision thinking I might get flashed by one. And I'm WAY against the speeding cameras.

Against it but I have seen more red light runners in the past year than I have ever seen before. I pretty much look both ways even if my light is green.

BORIStheCrusher wrote: I'm not sure how much they've done for safety, but I know the other day I slammed on my brakes and ended up half way into the intersection because a split decision thinking I might get flashed by one. And I'm WAY against the speeding cameras.

if i remember correctly from the last time we had this thread. the number of accidents dont change when red light cameras are installed, but the severity of the accidents go down. less fatal accidents occur etc.

Against

HitsRus wrote: ^^^^and that is as much of the problem as anything else
read...
http://blog.motorists.org/red-light-cameras-increase-accidents-5-studies-that-prove-it/

Glory Days...read the links.
# of accidents have been shown to increase.

ptangzoot wrote:

HitsRus wrote: ^^^^and that is as much of the problem as anything else
read...
http://blog.motorists.org/red-light-cameras-increase-accidents-5-studies-that-prove-it/

Glory Days...read the links.
# of accidents have been shown to increase.

http://www.click2houston.com/investigates/14618294/detail.html
Out of the 18 intersections we tracked, 10 had fewer accidents, seven had more wrecks, and one intersection's accident numbers stayed the same.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17997863/detail.html
Eyewitness News has proof that intersections across Orange County are safer because of red light cameras. In August of 2007, 262 red light runners were caught when the cameras were first installed in Apopka and that number dropped to 35 last month.

Also, accident reports show a 72 percent drop in crashes at Sheeler Avenue and 441, along with a 64 percent drop at Park Avenue.

Police said it frees up officers to focus on crime

I kinda like them. If I get caught, I'm sure I'll change my tune.

Glory Days wrote:

SQ_Crazies wrote:

Glory Days wrote:

how are they in your life when it's on a public road?

Who paid for the road?


Against. Agree with the "too big brother-ish" comment.

doesnt matter. when you are out in public, your right to privacy is about zero.

LOL, no it isn't.

And it does matter. If it doesn't matter to you, then you're part of a pretty big problem we have in this country.

SQ_Crazies wrote:

Glory Days wrote:

SQ_Crazies wrote:

Glory Days wrote:

how are they in your life when it's on a public road?

Who paid for the road?


Against. Agree with the "too big brother-ish" comment.

doesnt matter. when you are out in public, your right to privacy is about zero.

LOL, no it isn't.

And it does matter. If it doesn't matter to you, then you're part of a pretty big problem we have in this country.

haha ok, what privacy do you have in public? plus, if the camera can see into your car, it falls under the plain view doctrine.

dlazz wrote: For. Speeding cameras I'm against.

This.

I see too many bad accidents in Columbus caused by self-important Yuppies in their SUV's who think the five-second rule applies to red lights. There was a bad one at Polaris and Worthington-Galena Road last month that killed someone.

Against

Glory Days wrote:

ptangzoot wrote:

HitsRus wrote: ^^^^and that is as much of the problem as anything else
read...
http://blog.motorists.org/red-light-cameras-increase-accidents-5-studies-that-prove-it/

Glory Days...read the links.
# of accidents have been shown to increase.

http://www.click2houston.com/investigates/14618294/detail.html
Out of the 18 intersections we tracked, 10 had fewer accidents, seven had more wrecks, and one intersection's accident numbers stayed the same.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17997863/detail.html
Eyewitness News has proof that intersections across Orange County are safer because of red light cameras. In August of 2007, 262 red light runners were caught when the cameras were first installed in Apopka and that number dropped to 35 last month.

Also, accident reports show a 72 percent drop in crashes at Sheeler Avenue and 441, along with a 64 percent drop at Park Avenue.

Police said it frees up officers to focus on crime

your sample is statisically small.
A collection of studies shows that cameras increase accidents significantly.

http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/04/430.asp

HitsRus wrote:

Glory Days wrote:

ptangzoot wrote:

HitsRus wrote: ^^^^and that is as much of the problem as anything else
read...
http://blog.motorists.org/red-light-cameras-increase-accidents-5-studies-that-prove-it/

Glory Days...read the links.
# of accidents have been shown to increase.

http://www.click2houston.com/investigates/14618294/detail.html
Out of the 18 intersections we tracked, 10 had fewer accidents, seven had more wrecks, and one intersection's accident numbers stayed the same.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17997863/detail.html
Eyewitness News has proof that intersections across Orange County are safer because of red light cameras. In August of 2007, 262 red light runners were caught when the cameras were first installed in Apopka and that number dropped to 35 last month.

Also, accident reports show a 72 percent drop in crashes at Sheeler Avenue and 441, along with a 64 percent drop at Park Avenue.

Police said it frees up officers to focus on crime

your sample is statisically small.
A collection of studies shows that cameras increase accidents significantly.

http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/04/430.asp

unless i misread it, the first study on that link only tried to disprove other studies that showed there was a decrease in accidents. i think this only shows that there is no absolute answer. sometimes it reduces accidents, in other places it doesnt.

If the police like it...it probably sucks.

Glory Days wrote: unless i misread it, the first study on that link only tried to disprove other studies that showed there was a decrease in accidents. i think this only shows that there is no absolute answer. sometimes it reduces accidents, in other places it doesnt.

It appears that, as a whole, it essentially does nothing. Not that I'd be any less against them if they actually did reduce accidents.

Glory Days wrote:


unless i misread it, the first study on that link only tried to disprove other studies that showed there was a decrease in accidents. i think this only shows that there is no absolute answer. sometimes it reduces accidents, in other places it doesnt.

I think you misread it...this seems pretty clear if you ask me.


"Orban found the independent VDOT, Ontario and Burkey-Obeng studies (view studies) followed proper scientific methods and were fully open in sharing the data upon which the conclusions were based. These studies concluded that red light cameras caused an increase in injuries and overall accidents.

"Cities and counties should... pursue engineering improvements to enhance intersection safety for all drivers and passengers," Orban's report concluded. "Proven engineering practices and countermeasures can reduce crashes and injuries due to red light running, as well as other causes of intersection crashes."

The study shows that red light cameras do not make intersections more safe....in fact, just the opposite. If you want to make interesections safer, you do it thru engineering...not shaking down the public.

Definitely against. It's your word against a picture. I'd rather debate a human being.