it doesnt cost the govt any more money if they ask 1 question or 10 questions. and they wouldnt have to waste money going door to door if people(like you) answered the questions.

Glory Days wrote:
yeah its the Morales one. i didnt dive into it either, but when referencing whether the census violated the 4th amendment, thats the one it points to. i believe there were a few others around the turn of the last century too(1900). plus the one in 1970 involving how the punishment can be dealt out.

plus, 2 of your 3 examples dont apply. this isnt germany and privacy laws for the census were not established during WWII. and your third example, you even say they "wanted" to use the census. i am assuming something stopped them?

tk421 wrote:

it doesnt cost the govt any more money if they ask 1 question or 10 questions. and they wouldnt have to waste money going door to door if people(like you) answered the questions.

So, it's free for the government to send out notices that the census is going to be mailed? It's free for the government to print all the census, send them out through the mail? The U.S government is spending 14 Billion dollars solely on workers to go door to door? Wow, I didn't know that.

LJ wrote:

tk421 wrote:

it doesnt cost the govt any more money if they ask 1 question or 10 questions. and they wouldnt have to waste money going door to door if people(like you) answered the questions.

So, it's free for the government to send out notices that the census is going to be mailed? It's free for the government to print all the census, send them out through the mail? The U.S government is spending 14 Billion dollars solely on workers to go door to door? Wow, I didn't know that.

His point flew straight over your head. Straw man much?

tk421 wrote:

LJ wrote:

tk421 wrote:

it doesnt cost the govt any more money if they ask 1 question or 10 questions. and they wouldnt have to waste money going door to door if people(like you) answered the questions.

So, it's free for the government to send out notices that the census is going to be mailed? It's free for the government to print all the census, send them out through the mail? The U.S government is spending 14 Billion dollars solely on workers to go door to door? Wow, I didn't know that.

His point flew straight over your head. Straw man much?

I got his point. I just don't care. I'll remember next time my friendly government worker comes knocking on my door. I'll be sure to answer any and all questions. Yes sir.

GoChiefs wrote: LJ found a new picture today! LOL

tk421 wrote:

Glory Days wrote:

tk421 wrote:

Glory Days wrote:

tk421 wrote:

I Wear Pants wrote: It is useful. No matter how much you want to believe there is some conspiracy at work here...there isn't.

I'm sure the Japanese Americans would agree with that.

the laws protecting the privacy of the census were not in place when that happend.

And you think privacy laws will stop the government from using this information however they want? Ha.

haha yeah, i do.

Where were the privacy laws here? Or do Arab Americans not deserve the same privacy? Government and privacy have nothing to do with each other. The fact is any information given to the government can be used against you.

On July 23, 2004, EPIC obtained documents revealing that the Census Bureau provided the Department of Homeland Security statistical data on people who identified themselves on the 2000 census as being of Arab ancestry. The special tabulations were prepared specifically for the law enforcement agency. There is no indication that the Department of Homeland Security requested similar information about any other ethnic groups. The tabulations apparently include information about United States citizens, as well as individuals of Arab descent whose families have lived in the United States for generations.

http://epic.org/privacy/census/foia/

I Wear Pants wrote:
Funny thing is that the party that you seem to support so much because of their anti "big government" stance was the one in power when that example that you just whipped out happened.

And it probably was statistically relevant to what they were doing. If the Yakuza started bombing places it might be useful to know where there are high concentrations of Japanese-Americans. Because if I were a Yakuza member trying to blend in I wouldn't hang out in some redneck town. Similar thinking probably went into action with the Arab stat. They weren't using it to identify every Arab as a terrorist but to be better aware of where potential terrorists may hide out.

Cleveland Buck wrote: I'll follow what the Constitution says when the federal government does.

tk421 wrote:


Get real. Census workers are making 15-20 dollars an hour. You think that's a wise use of government resources?

Footwedge wrote:

tk421 wrote:


Get real. Census workers are making 15-20 dollars an hour. You think that's a wise use of government resources?

Census workers do not make $15 dollars an hour.

Not even close.

tk421 wrote:

You do realize that until this time, because a lot of people made a fuss, the census had a lot more questions that were a lot more invasive? How much you make, what you pay in rent, utilities, etc.

Footwedge wrote:

And I applaud the decision to be less invasive. Look, I'm not a pro big government guy myself. And I think the race quesstion is uncalled for. But the constitution calls for an accurate headcount for legislative purposes.

LJ wrote:

Footwedge wrote:

And I applaud the decision to be less invasive. Look, I'm not a pro big government guy myself. And I think the race quesstion is uncalled for. But the constitution calls for an accurate headcount for legislative purposes.

We actually agree on something here. The cries about the constitution just calling for a head count are just plain not true, it calls for enumeration with the parameters set by congress.

Enumerate means to count and list. What they are counting and listing is determined by congress.

majorspark wrote:

LJ wrote:

Footwedge wrote:

And I applaud the decision to be less invasive. Look, I'm not a pro big government guy myself. And I think the race quesstion is uncalled for. But the constitution calls for an accurate headcount for legislative purposes.

We actually agree on something here. The cries about the constitution just calling for a head count are just plain not true, it calls for enumeration with the parameters set by congress.

Enumerate means to count and list. What they are counting and listing is determined by congress.

The context in the constitution for enumeration is in regards to determining state representation in congress and the electoral college.

I am curios to know what level of counting and listing by congress would you see as intrusive?

For instance: Do you use tobacco products? How many drinks do you have a day? What is your height and weight? Do you engage in promiscuous sexual activity? Do you own firearms? What is the make and model of your vehicle?

Any of these questions and more could be asked of the federal government to determine the allocation of their funds.

Cleveland Buck wrote:

Footwedge wrote:

tk421 wrote:


Get real. Census workers are making 15-20 dollars an hour. You think that's a wise use of government resources?

Census workers do not make $15 dollars an hour.

Not even close.

It's actually like $18/hr. My uncle is about to retire, but he decided to work for the census first to make some fast, easy money.

majorspark wrote: Except for the race information, most of the same information can be obtained from your tax return.

Footwedge wrote:

Cleveland Buck wrote:

Footwedge wrote:

tk421 wrote:


Get real. Census workers are making 15-20 dollars an hour. You think that's a wise use of government resources?

Census workers do not make $15 dollars an hour.

Not even close.

It's actually like $18/hr. My uncle is about to retire, but he decided to work for the census first to make some fast, easy money.

Buck...is it possible to source that? I seriously doubt Cuyahoga County workers make that. It's not like the COL is any higher there versus other parts of the state.

Being reimbursed 50 cents per mile doesn't count as wages. I could see 18 bucks an hour in New York...but not Cleveland Ohio.