Glory Days
Posts: 7,809
Mar 22, 2010 2:54am
in addition to this: "There is even a 1970 court decision from Delaware holding that there is a separate violation for each question you don’t answer. So, on this year’s ten-question Census form, you could be fined as much $1,000 — $5,000 if you refuse to answer or deliberately give false answers."Glory Days wrote: Not answering the questions is a $100 fine. giving false information is a $500 fine.
SQ_Crazies
Posts: 7,977
Mar 22, 2010 3:02am
The Census is a joke, they don't allocate shit based on it--they just want you to think they do. It's an incredible waste of money. In fact, it's hard to believe it isn't all done online at this point. But like I said, they don't allocate anything based on the Census. The money goes where they want it to go no matter what.
tk421
Posts: 8,500
Mar 22, 2010 3:14am
Doing it online would be to easy and not cost enough. Way to efficient for our government.SQ_Crazies wrote: The Census is a joke, they don't allocate shit based on it--they just want you to think they do. It's an incredible waste of money. In fact, it's hard to believe it isn't all done online at this point. But like I said, they don't allocate anything based on the Census. The money goes where they want it to go no matter what.
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eersandbeers
Posts: 1,071
Mar 22, 2010 3:34am
LJ wrote:
1. How many people live ere
2. any additional people
3. do you own or rent this plae
4. home phone number
5. names
6. sex
7. age
8. latino race
9. if no what race
10. does anyone here live other places during the year
I wasn't arguing over how invasive the Census was. I only said I am not compelled to fill one out as it is a violation of my 4th Amendment rights.
tk421
Posts: 8,500
Mar 22, 2010 3:42am
Why exactly is there a question specifically asking someone if they are Latino? Hmm? Shouldn't it just say race? Not trying to count the illegals my butt.
Glory Days
Posts: 7,809
Mar 22, 2010 3:59am
its not, but you can think it is. the supreme court has heard this case many times and as recent as 2000.eersandbeers wrote:LJ wrote:
1. How many people live ere
2. any additional people
3. do you own or rent this plae
4. home phone number
5. names
6. sex
7. age
8. latino race
9. if no what race
10. does anyone here live other places during the year
I wasn't arguing over how invasive the Census was. I only said I am not compelled to fill one out as it is a violation of my 4th Amendment rights.
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captain_obvious
Posts: 82
Mar 22, 2010 9:45am
Can we really trust the Supreme Court to give an accurate decision on the Constitution?
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Mar 22, 2010 11:06am
SQ_Crazies wrote: The Census is a joke, they don't allocate shit based on it--they just want you to think they do.
The census constantly moves 10 to 20 representatives around every cycle.
Hell, this is what the census has done to the number of reps Ohio gets ever since my dad was counted in his first census
1950:23
1960: 24
1970: 23
1980: 21
1990: 19
2000: 18
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pepperpot
Posts: 646
Mar 22, 2010 12:12pm
Just got a postcard to remind me to do the census, mine is done, is the postcard really necessary ??
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Mar 22, 2010 12:18pm
I guess it has been there since the 1970 census. Has something to do with anti discriminatory laws I guess.tk421 wrote: Why exactly is there a question specifically asking someone if they are Latino? Hmm? Shouldn't it just say race? Not trying to count the illegals my butt.
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captain_obvious
Posts: 82
Mar 22, 2010 12:46pm
The letter letting you know the Census is coming, the Census form itself, then the postcard. Overboard within themselves, then add the TV, Radio, Print, and Internet ads.pepperpot wrote: Just got a postcard to remind me to do the census, mine is done, is the postcard really necessary ??
Should have just sent it as an email chain letter promising good luck to all that fill it out and send to 10 people within the next 24 hours... By the looks of how many I get a day, they could have had the Census done within 2 hours...
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pepperpot
Posts: 646
Mar 22, 2010 5:44pm
^^^^ well said !!
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Footwedge
Posts: 9,265
Mar 22, 2010 6:15pm
The census asks for each person's name, race, and sex. It's done every 10 years and is in the original Constitution to do so. It is done to accurately depict population for representation purposes. The bullshit on the net about census workers asking for personal data, income etcetera, is nonsense.tk421 wrote:I find the amount of information the government already has about us alarming, I see no need to voluntarily give them more. Call me crazy, but I wouldn't trust our government with my grocery list, let alone private information about it's citizens.ts1227 wrote: What makes the 2010 Census different than any other one in US history, other than you just so have happened to despise the President and/or Congress when this one showed up in your mailbox?
The standards are quite rigid on how it is run and how the data is used, regardless of who is in power.
Do what the Constitution asks for...and be done with it.
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Footwedge
Posts: 9,265
Mar 22, 2010 6:21pm
tk421 wrote: Why exactly is there a question specifically asking someone if they are Latino? Hmm? Shouldn't it just say race? Not trying to count the illegals my butt.
I agree with you here. I think the race question is bullshit.
tk421
Posts: 8,500
Mar 22, 2010 7:03pm
You do realize that until this time, because a lot of people made a fuss, the census had a lot more questions that were a lot more invasive? How much you make, what you pay in rent, utilities, etc.Footwedge wrote:The census asks for each person's name, race, and sex. It's done every 10 years and is in the original Constitution to do so. It is done to accurately depict population for representation purposes. The bullshit on the net about census workers asking for personal data, income etcetera, is nonsense.tk421 wrote:I find the amount of information the government already has about us alarming, I see no need to voluntarily give them more. Call me crazy, but I wouldn't trust our government with my grocery list, let alone private information about it's citizens.ts1227 wrote: What makes the 2010 Census different than any other one in US history, other than you just so have happened to despise the President and/or Congress when this one showed up in your mailbox?
The standards are quite rigid on how it is run and how the data is used, regardless of who is in power.
Do what the Constitution asks for...and be done with it.
Cleveland Buck
Posts: 5,126
Mar 22, 2010 7:08pm
I'll follow what the Constitution says when the federal government does.
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eersandbeers
Posts: 1,071
Mar 22, 2010 7:19pm
Glory Days wrote:
its not, but you can think it is. the supreme court has heard this case many times and as recent as 2000.
I'm assuming you are referring to the Morales decision. I also think there was far more to the ruling, but I'll look it up.
A couple of interesting tidbits I learned:
1. Hitler used the census to track and round up all the Jews in Germany
2. FDR used the census to round up all the Japanese American to place them in internment camps
3. The FBI wanted to use the census data to track Muslims after 9/11
So people are delusional if they think this isn't used for other purposes.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Mar 22, 2010 7:23pm
Just admit it, you are against the census all together.eersandbeers wrote:Glory Days wrote:
its not, but you can think it is. the supreme court has heard this case many times and as recent as 2000.
I'm assuming you are referring to the Morales decision. I also think there was far more to the ruling, but I'll look it up.
A couple of interesting tidbits I learned:
1. Hitler used the census to track and round up all the Jews in Germany
2. FDR used the census to round up all the Japanese American to place them in internment camps
3. The FBI wanted to use the census data to track Muslims after 9/11
So people are delusional if they think this isn't used for other purposes.
tk421
Posts: 8,500
Mar 22, 2010 7:24pm
Exactly. Everyone is acting like this information is perfectly safe with our government. It's just another tool for them to use to track and control the population.eersandbeers wrote:Glory Days wrote:
its not, but you can think it is. the supreme court has heard this case many times and as recent as 2000.
I'm assuming you are referring to the Morales decision. I also think there was far more to the ruling, but I'll look it up.
A couple of interesting tidbits I learned:
1. Hitler used the census to track and round up all the Jews in Germany
2. FDR used the census to round up all the Japanese American to place them in internment camps
3. The FBI wanted to use the census data to track Muslims after 9/11
So people are delusional if they think this isn't used for other purposes.
tk421
Posts: 8,500
Mar 22, 2010 7:27pm
It is a total waste of money and resources. The government is spending over 14 Billion on the census.LJ wrote:Just admit it, you are against the census all together.eersandbeers wrote:Glory Days wrote:
its not, but you can think it is. the supreme court has heard this case many times and as recent as 2000.
I'm assuming you are referring to the Morales decision. I also think there was far more to the ruling, but I'll look it up.
A couple of interesting tidbits I learned:
1. Hitler used the census to track and round up all the Jews in Germany
2. FDR used the census to round up all the Japanese American to place them in internment camps
3. The FBI wanted to use the census data to track Muslims after 9/11
So people are delusional if they think this isn't used for other purposes.
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Mar 22, 2010 7:28pm
It is useful. No matter how much you want to believe there is some conspiracy at work here...there isn't.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Mar 22, 2010 7:29pm
So you don't know what apportionment is?tk421 wrote:It is a total waste of money and resources. The government is spending over 14 Billion on the census.LJ wrote:Just admit it, you are against the census all together.eersandbeers wrote:Glory Days wrote:
its not, but you can think it is. the supreme court has heard this case many times and as recent as 2000.
I'm assuming you are referring to the Morales decision. I also think there was far more to the ruling, but I'll look it up.
A couple of interesting tidbits I learned:
1. Hitler used the census to track and round up all the Jews in Germany
2. FDR used the census to round up all the Japanese American to place them in internment camps
3. The FBI wanted to use the census data to track Muslims after 9/11
So people are delusional if they think this isn't used for other purposes.
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eersandbeers
Posts: 1,071
Mar 22, 2010 7:29pm
I'm not against a simple headcount.LJ wrote:Just admit it, you are against the census all together.eersandbeers wrote:Glory Days wrote:
its not, but you can think it is. the supreme court has heard this case many times and as recent as 2000.
I'm assuming you are referring to the Morales decision. I also think there was far more to the ruling, but I'll look it up.
A couple of interesting tidbits I learned:
1. Hitler used the census to track and round up all the Jews in Germany
2. FDR used the census to round up all the Japanese American to place them in internment camps
3. The FBI wanted to use the census data to track Muslims after 9/11
So people are delusional if they think this isn't used for other purposes.
Such as how many males and how many females. That should be it.
I was merely pointing out some unique historical uses for the census.
tk421
Posts: 8,500
Mar 22, 2010 7:30pm
I'm sure the Japanese Americans would agree with that.I Wear Pants wrote: It is useful. No matter how much you want to believe there is some conspiracy at work here...there isn't.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Mar 22, 2010 7:31pm
that's never been it. EVER. People want to cite the constitution and what the people of the time did, well, even in the very first census it was more than that.eersandbeers wrote:I'm not against a simple headcount.LJ wrote:Just admit it, you are against the census all together.eersandbeers wrote:Glory Days wrote:
its not, but you can think it is. the supreme court has heard this case many times and as recent as 2000.
I'm assuming you are referring to the Morales decision. I also think there was far more to the ruling, but I'll look it up.
A couple of interesting tidbits I learned:
1. Hitler used the census to track and round up all the Jews in Germany
2. FDR used the census to round up all the Japanese American to place them in internment camps
3. The FBI wanted to use the census data to track Muslims after 9/11
So people are delusional if they think this isn't used for other purposes.
Such as how many males and how many females. That should be it.