Conference tournaments should be abolished because they mean nothing to the NCAA selection committee. Kansas, Kentucky, WVU, and Ohio State won their conference tournaments and all 4 teams got screwed by the NCAA selection committee.

I am of the opinion that the results of these made for money events carry ZERO weight in the final analysis.

They just don't want to wait until the very last second to get the brackets together. I'm sure they had OSU as the last 2 seed before the game today and that is how it stayed.

Even if that is so Cinci, they still got it wrong.

Kansas and WVU won on Saturday and they still got screwed.

How did Kansas get screwed?

Did you see their draw?

http://www.bracketography.com/selection-committee/

These guys don't strike me as the best basketball minds in the world.

Interesting that Smith is the chair next year. Then I want to hear you all complain

wildcats20 wrote: Did you see their draw?

Getting the #1 seed doesnt mean they get the easiest path. Why do people think this?

How did Kansas get screwed?

For reasons known only to the 10 people in that room, the selection committee tapped Kansas its No. 1 overall seed, placed it in the Midwest, then inexplicably stuck it with the most loaded field of any region, hands down -- Ohio State, Georgetown, Maryland and Michigan State. And like some sort of cruel joke, the No. 6 (Tennessee) and No. 7 (Oklahoma State) seeds happen to be the two teams that beat the Jayhawks this season.




Bracket Breakdown

Committee thumbs-up: There isn't one this year. While there were no gross bubble injustices (spare me the Wake Forest-Virginia Tech "debate" -- play someone before January next time, Hokies), this may be the worst job of seeding and balancing the bracket I've ever seen from a committee. So we might as well skip ahead to ...

Committee thumbs-down: We can agree to disagree whether Duke is a better team than Syracuse, or how Ohio State could have slipped to eighth on the S-curve. My biggest complaint is the lack of consistency. If how you end your season matters -- as chairman Dan Guerrero indicated in regards to the Blue Devils' ascension above the Orange -- then how is Villanova still a No. 2 seed? How did West Virginia, which beat the Wildcats a week ago and then won the Big East tournament, draw a higher No. 1 seed (Kentucky)? Why did No. 6 seeds Notre Dame and Marquette get rewarded for one great stretch of late-season basketball while No. 5 seed Temple (10 straight wins) did not? FYI, the Owls (29-5) beat the Wildcats and have a higher RPI, yet check in three seeds lower. Just saying.

Best draw: Duke. For reasons explained above. Though I suppose the Blue Devils should be worried about No. 9 seed Louisville, which seem to have a thing for teams (Syracuse) with a No. 1 next to their name.

Worst draw: Ohio State. Whichever team wins the game opposite theirs, Oklahoma State or Georgia Tech, won't be an easy out, but that will be heaven compared to their next two possible opponents: Georgetown and Kansas.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/stewart_mandel/03/14/breaking.bracket/index.html

Asked why Ohio State ended up in Kansas’ bracket, Guerrero said it was a “procedure” decision.

What the hell does this mean????

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/15/sports/ncaabasketball/15ncaa.html?hp&hp

It did in the case of Syracuse and Duke.

It did in the case of Syracuse

Syracuse didn't win the Big East tournament. WVU won the Big East tournament and they got the shaft.

Prescott wrote:

It did in the case of Syracuse

Syracuse didn't win the Big East tournament. WVU won the Big East tournament and they got the shaft.

Yes, but Syracuse not winning the conference tournament was not nearly enough to make them fall to a #2 seed.

8 of the last 12 national champions won their conference tournament. I'd say that's decent meaning.

CinciX12 wrote: They just don't want to wait until the very last second to get the brackets together. I'm sure they had OSU as the last 2 seed before the game today and that is how it stayed.

OSU wasn't the last two seed. They put them in the region/pod that was best for them geographically. Everyone knows the order of the 1 seeds. I'd bet just about anything that if they ranked teams 1-65, Ohio State would have been at 6, right behind WVU.

From what I understand, the whole "strongest seed" thing only applies to the #1's. Obviously the committee plans on it being chalk the whole way every year; that is why they seed teams. Thus, the strongest 1 gets the weakest.

Besides, if you want to win this thing you have to beat everyone you're up against, regardless of seeding. If OSU or WVa are that good they will prove it by winning. I happen to think that OSU got a pretty good draw, one they are capable of winning.

prescott wrote:Asked why Ohio State ended up in Kansas’ bracket, Guerrero said it was a “procedure” decision.

It means they followed a certain set of actions in order to place Ohio State in a bracket position established by procedure.



Have fun in that typhoon. I know my popcorn is ready.

I happen to think that OSU got a pretty good draw, one they are capable of winning

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You might be the only person who thinks OSU got a pretty good draw.


Worst draw: Ohio State. Whichever team wins the game opposite theirs, Oklahoma State or Georgia Tech, won't be an easy out, but that will be heaven compared to their next two possible opponents: Georgetown and Kansas.

http://www.ohiochatter.com/Thread-Winning-a-Conference-Tournament-Means-Nothing

What I think is BS is that they pick a new committee each year, that really aren't consistent with their criteria and their balancing of the bracket.

Like any good company, the NCAA needs to standardize their rules and procedures and make them public so that this BS can be avoided.

Azubuike24 wrote: 8 of the last 12 national champions won their conference tournament. I'd say that's decent meaning.

It just means they were good enough to win a championship no matter where they fell on the bracket. As for the other teams who win a conference tourney, it doesn't seem to help them at all when the bracket is put together.

Conference tourneys are a joke. You spend 10 weeks beating the crap out of each other, then it all comes down to 3 or 4 games in 4 days to decide who goes to the Big Dance. A fairer method would be to pick at-large teams first, i.e., those who had good enough regular seasons to merit a ticket to the field of 64. Then let everyone else play their conference tourneys (some watered-down, to be sure) to decide the 31 (or however many there are) automatic bids. Why should a Kansas or Syracuse have to go through a meatgrinder conf tourney when they proved all year they were the best in their conference?

8 Athletic Directors and 2 commisioners of a conference? Really, I am a high school AD can I be on the panel next year! LOL, this is like a tournament seeding for say Wrestling in high school and letting me read up on each wrestler and then seed them. How about people with basketball experience, say ex refs, coaches or others closer to the programs! lol

Don't buy the bad draw bit for Ohio State. Gonna play one the hottest, and top 16 teams in the country anyway. This tourney is very wide open. If Ohio State plays Kansas the way they played yesterday, the Buckeyes win by double digits.

Why are people bitching? You aren't playing. Enjoy march madness. If teams have problems where they are seeded then they need to GTFO. Shut your mouth, get on the boat, do your job, then come home. Less time bitching and moaning about your seed the the team or teams you may have to play, and more time preparing on actually beating those teams.

Prescott wrote:

It did in the case of Syracuse

Syracuse didn't win the Big East tournament. WVU won the Big East tournament and they got the shaft.

I've changed my opinion on this. WVU got a great deal with the location. Yeah it sucks to be a #2, but they received a favorable draw.



But yeah, it does appear conference tourneys don't mean as much as we believed. I don't know if that is good or bad, but I can kind of see the point. Getting hot for 3, 4, or 5 games doesn't negate what happened the rest of the season.

I've never been in favor of having these stupid tournaments.

The team that grinds it out and wins over the long-haul should get the automatic bid.

Period.

Most of the time, the results don't seem to have any bearing on the tournament selection, anyway -- especially the top 32 teams. Those were all pretty much in place even before most of the tournaments were finished.