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Mar 14, 2010 10:36 PM
ptown_trojans_1 wrote: Agreed they are streaky, but against solid competition a 7+ minute dry spell could simply be too much. Plus, Turner, as awesome a player he is, has been too turnover crazy the past few games.

It is a shitty draw, as if OSU was in the South or West, I could easily see Elite Eight, but even when the experts are saying the Midwest is the hardest region, it will be tough for OSU to go far.
I just don't see it that way.

OSU is very good, it will be tough for those teams to get past this OSU team. Their playing too good right now. They have faced some quality teams lately (even UM has Harris/Sims), took their best shot, and still pulled away with the W's. Meanwhile, top ranked teams were falling to such teams. OSU is shooting very well right now, fatigue shouldn't even be an issues after watching them go 12/22 from deep today. Turner is unstoppable on offense, the only thing to slow him down is himself with the turnovers.

I am starting to give this team their credit.
Mar 14, 2010 10:36pm
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Mar 14, 2010 10:48 PM
What does Ok St, Gtech, or Gtown have that puts this OSU team at such a disadvantage? Yes I understand that they are somewhat bigger underneath but I can guarandamntee that they don't have the guard play to hang with the Buckeyes. OSU may be slightly undersized at the center position, but their guards are extremely tall and athletic. 6'7" (Turner), 6'6" (Diebler), 6'5" (Lighty) , and 6'5" (Buford) provides some major problems defensively for a lot of teams. Bucks can pressure the ball in man to man or sit in the 1-3-1 zone and let the long arms disturb the passing lanes. I just don't think one can confidently say that Gtown would have their way with OSU. Regardless, a lot of basketball must be played before this game is even a thought. Buckeyes must first take care of Santa Barbara, which I believe they will do by 10+.
Mar 14, 2010 10:48pm
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Mar 14, 2010 10:49 PM
Definitely don't like the Kansas bracket for OSU. With such a short bench, all it takes is one or two guys in foul trouble to really mess things up. That said, I think they've found a formula to be one of the best in the country when everything is clicking.
Haven't seen anyone come close to slowing down ET in the Big10, we'll see about the Midwest region.
Mar 14, 2010 10:49pm
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Mar 14, 2010 10:57 PM
But its rare that OSU gets in foul trouble outside of Dallas.

Also, Monroe is the only big that scares me and he isn't the typical back you down guy.
Mar 14, 2010 10:57pm
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Mar 14, 2010 11:46 PM
I see four things hurting the Bucks.
1. They go 7+ minutes without a point and the opposing team builds a 10-15 point lead, much like Minn and Illi. But, unlike those games, Ok. St. or Gtown are not going 7+ minutes without a point themselves. I think that will be too much to overcome. Yes, they can get hot, but the competition will be too good to take the lead and win.

2. Turnovers. OSU has been sloppy and it hasn't hurt them yet. I can easily see a team like Ok St. or Gtown really destroying OSU in that department and making the Bucks pay for sloppy turnovers.

3. Short bench. It hasn't been a factor really so far, but the minutes played could take a toll, or foul trouble could really screw them, see Turner and Diebler during the Tourney.

4. Gtown has a history of destroying OSU, and I just have this feeling that Gtown will return to form and dominate all aspects of the game against the Bucks.

I'm pessimistic, I know, and I really hope I'm wrong, but I see the Bucks out in the Sweet 16.

That said, they should beat UCSB by 10-15, maybe even 20 depending on how streaky they are.
Mar 14, 2010 11:46pm
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Mar 14, 2010 11:56 PM
I am pessimistic about the Buckeyes, and they got stuck in easily(IMO) the hardest region, but I agree about Georgetown's guard play in that OSU will flat out outplay their guards. Monroe is a fantastic player but if Diebler is hitting 3's and Buford and Lighty get theirs I'm confident enough in Ohio State's defense that they can do a good job on Monroe. Mind you we're talking about a 10 loss Georgetown team here. They are good, but they have too many losses to be so pessimistic.

And the last time Ohio State played Georgetown they beat them in the Final 4. I still have bad memories from the second round matchup in 2006, but this Ohio State team matches up much better than that one.
Mar 14, 2010 11:56pm
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Mar 14, 2010 11:58 PM
4. Gtown has a history of destroying OSU, and I just have this feeling that Gtown will return to form and dominate all aspects of the game against the Bucks.

Kind of like the last time these two schools met when OSU defeated Gtown 67-60 in the Final Four in 2007 to advance to the National Championship?
Mar 14, 2010 11:58pm
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Mar 15, 2010 12:06 AM
devil1197 wrote: I just don't see it that way.

OSU is very good, it will be tough for those teams to get past this OSU team. Their playing too good right now. They have faced some quality teams lately (even UM has Harris/Sims), took their best shot, and still pulled away with the W's. Meanwhile, top ranked teams were falling to such teams. OSU is shooting very well right now, fatigue shouldn't even be an issues after watching them go 12/22 from deep today. Turner is unstoppable on offense, the only thing to slow him down is himself with the turnovers.
I'm not sure about OSU's schedule lately, like you are trying to make it. The Big Ten started off their season looking like the #2 conference behind the Big East, but lately they have really been down. MSU has struggled BIG TIME, falling all the way down to a 5 seed after splitting for the Big Ten reg. season title...Purdue we know thier struggles without Hummel...Ohio State is the only team that has really improved their stock towards the end of the season.

But if you look at their schedule, it's not that great. I mean if you look at the big ten tourney, they've played 3 teams that simply are not good...Minnesota is the only tourney team, and they were one of the last few in. In their last 9 big ten regular season games, only 2 of the 9 were Tournament teams, and that was a win @ Michigan State (a very good win, despite MSU's struggles) and a home loss to a healthy Purdue team.
Mar 15, 2010 12:06am
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Mar 15, 2010 12:28 AM
Schedule or not, OSU has been 13-1 over their past 14 games.

Can only play the teams that are scheduled and OSU has stepped it up.
Mar 15, 2010 12:28am
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Mar 15, 2010 12:30 AM
devil1197 wrote: Schedule or not, OSU has been 13-1 over their past 14 games.

Can only play the teams that are scheduled and OSU has stepped it up.
Doesn't take much to go 13-1 when only 2 of those teams are NCAA tourney teams.
Mar 15, 2010 12:30am
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Mar 15, 2010 12:42 AM
SportsAndLady wrote:
devil1197 wrote: Schedule or not, OSU has been 13-1 over their past 14 games.

Can only play the teams that are scheduled and OSU has stepped it up.
Doesn't take much to go 13-1 when only 2 of those teams are NCAA tourney teams.
Haha, okay its 3 teams but I'll let it slid with your 2.

The way OSU is playing right now they won't have a problem in their first two matchups.

Until someone can stop ET then I don't see anyone beating OSU anytime soon.
Mar 15, 2010 12:42am
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Mar 15, 2010 1:00 AM
devil1197 wrote:The way OSU is playing right now they won't have a problem in their first two matchups.
My bad, it is 3 not 2. Still though, 3 out of 13...

And as for the above comment, I wouldn't be so confident against Oklahoma State.

IMO, and i'm 100% sure you will disagree with this, Oklahoma State has had the better end to the season then Ohio State.

In Oklahoma State's last 9 games, they are 6-3...however, the losses have come to Kansas State (2 seed), @ Texas A&M (5 seed), and @ Texas (8 seed)...and have some very impressive wins over Kansas (#1 overall seed) and Baylor (3 seed).

Not to mention, they have a player of Evan Turner's caliber, in first team all american James Anderson.
Mar 15, 2010 1:00am
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Mar 15, 2010 1:04 AM
The way OSU is playing right now they won't have a problem in their first two matchups.
You are wrong. Oklahoma Sate is a very good club and GT has some bigs who could cause OSU some real problems. duke needed a late 3 to beat GT on Sunday. This is a very bad draw for Ohio State.
Mar 15, 2010 1:04am
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Prescott wrote:
The way OSU is playing right now they won't have a problem in their first two matchups.
You are wrong. Oklahoma Sate is a very good club and GT has some bigs who could cause OSU some real problems. duke needed a late 3 to beat GT on Sunday. This is a very bad draw for Ohio State.
Agree 100% GT will not be an easy out, nor would Okie State.
Mar 15, 2010 1:07am
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Mar 15, 2010 7:47 AM
I forgot about the 07 Gtown game and was instead thinking of the 06 debacle. My bad.

I'll move away from the certain loss, and instead, say the Bucks will probably get out of the 2nd round and is doubtful for them to get to the Elite Eight. Ok St. will be a hell of a game, GT will be easier by and little and Gtown will be a dogfight, but I'm uneasy about it.

Again, bad draw. I hope the Bucks can make a run, but I'll be pessimistic.
Mar 15, 2010 7:47am
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Mar 15, 2010 8:32 AM
SportsAndLady wrote:
devil1197 wrote: I just don't see it that way.

OSU is very good, it will be tough for those teams to get past this OSU team. Their playing too good right now. They have faced some quality teams lately (even UM has Harris/Sims), took their best shot, and still pulled away with the W's. Meanwhile, top ranked teams were falling to such teams. OSU is shooting very well right now, fatigue shouldn't even be an issues after watching them go 12/22 from deep today. Turner is unstoppable on offense, the only thing to slow him down is himself with the turnovers.
I'm not sure about OSU's schedule lately, like you are trying to make it. The Big Ten started off their season looking like the #2 conference behind the Big East, but lately they have really been down. MSU has struggled BIG TIME, falling all the way down to a 5 seed after splitting for the Big Ten reg. season title...Purdue we know thier struggles without Hummel...Ohio State is the only team that has really improved their stock towards the end of the season.

But if you look at their schedule, it's not that great. I mean if you look at the big ten tourney, they've played 3 teams that simply are not good...Minnesota is the only tourney team, and they were one of the last few in. In their last 9 big ten regular season games, only 2 of the 9 were Tournament teams, and that was a win @ Michigan State (a very good win, despite MSU's struggles) and a home loss to a healthy Purdue team.
To win ANY conference tourney, says quite a bit when you are the #1 seed and basically have NOTHING to play for, and the other teams are playing for EVERYTHING. Ill, who didn't make the NCAA, passes the eye test and on any given nite, could play with most. They were fighting for their lives. UM played maybe one of their best games of the year...OSU didn't play well..and yes, needed a miracle to win.
Minny was playing for their lives as well not knowing what could happen.
OSU put on an absolutely clinic in the second half of that game. I don't care who they were playing...that was a freaking show.
And no offense...but Kansas schedule wasn't exactly a world beater. The Big12 has a little more depth. But Texas ended up showing who they were, KSU is good, no question. Purdue is on KSU level when they had Hummell...other then that, the Big12 wasn't special, and except for your team, Kansas....very comparable to the Big Ten IMO.

Now, OKL ST. is certainly good enough to beat OSU, no question. But all things equal...OSU is better. OKST has had some bad losses, most recently getting drilled in the Big12. Of their 10 losses, 7 were by DOUBLE DIGITS.
Mar 15, 2010 8:32am
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Mar 15, 2010 11:21 AM
centralbucksfan wrote:To win ANY conference tourney, says quite a bit when you are the #1 seed and basically have NOTHING to play for, and the other teams are playing for EVERYTHING. Ill, who didn't make the NCAA, passes the eye test and on any given nite, could play with most. They were fighting for their lives. UM played maybe one of their best games of the year...OSU didn't play well..and yes, needed a miracle to win.
Minny was playing for their lives as well not knowing what could happen.
OSU put on an absolutely clinic in the second half of that game. I don't care who they were playing...that was a freaking show.
And no offense...but Kansas schedule wasn't exactly a world beater. The Big12 has a little more depth. But Texas ended up showing who they were, KSU is good, no question. Purdue is on KSU level when they had Hummell...other then that, the Big12 wasn't special, and except for your team, Kansas....very comparable to the Big Ten IMO.

Now, OKL ST. is certainly good enough to beat OSU, no question. But all things equal...OSU is better. OKST has had some bad losses, most recently getting drilled in the Big12. Of their 10 losses, 7 were by DOUBLE DIGITS.
I'm not gonna get in an argument with you on this cbf, b/c you're literally the most annoying person to argue with.

But next time you try to make that point, try not to use "we had NOTHING to play for, and they had EVERYTHING to play for" excuse 3 times in your argument.

Oh and get that talk about Kansas and the Big 12 outta here...they are by far the 2nd best conference in the country. Second most teams in the tourney, 2 legit Final Four contenders, no one ranked lower than an 8 seed, the best team in the country, 5 teams ranked in the top 25, I could go on and on.

And wtf are you talking about Kansas doesn't play a tough schedule...granted, it's not the hardest thing in the world, but its damn good. #1 RPI, #5 SOS, road wins @ Temple, @ KSU, @ Texas, @ A&M, @ Missouri...I know you were trying to take a lil jab at Kansas there, but at least bring up Bucknell or Bradley or Roy Williams leaving to win 2 titles, and not something as ridiculous as doubting Kansas' resume'.

Damnit, I didn't listen to myself, I got in the argument with you...
Mar 15, 2010 11:21am
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Mar 15, 2010 11:50 AM
SportsAndLady wrote:
centralbucksfan wrote:To win ANY conference tourney, says quite a bit when you are the #1 seed and basically have NOTHING to play for, and the other teams are playing for EVERYTHING. Ill, who didn't make the NCAA, passes the eye test and on any given nite, could play with most. They were fighting for their lives. UM played maybe one of their best games of the year...OSU didn't play well..and yes, needed a miracle to win.
Minny was playing for their lives as well not knowing what could happen.
OSU put on an absolutely clinic in the second half of that game. I don't care who they were playing...that was a freaking show.
And no offense...but Kansas schedule wasn't exactly a world beater. The Big12 has a little more depth. But Texas ended up showing who they were, KSU is good, no question. Purdue is on KSU level when they had Hummell...other then that, the Big12 wasn't special, and except for your team, Kansas....very comparable to the Big Ten IMO.

Now, OKL ST. is certainly good enough to beat OSU, no question. But all things equal...OSU is better. OKST has had some bad losses, most recently getting drilled in the Big12. Of their 10 losses, 7 were by DOUBLE DIGITS.
I'm not gonna get in an argument with you on this cbf, b/c you're literally the most annoying person to argue with.

But next time you try to make that point, try not to use "we had NOTHING to play for, and they had EVERYTHING to play for" excuse 3 times in your argument.

Oh and get that talk about Kansas and the Big 12 outta here...they are by far the 2nd best conference in the country. Second most teams in the tourney, 2 legit Final Four contenders, no one ranked lower than an 8 seed, the best team in the country, 5 teams ranked in the top 25, I could go on and on.

And wtf are you talking about Kansas doesn't play a tough schedule...granted, it's not the hardest thing in the world, but its damn good. #1 RPI, #5 SOS, road wins @ Temple, @ KSU, @ Texas, @ A&M, @ Missouri...I know you were trying to take a lil jab at Kansas there, but at least bring up Bucknell or Bradley or Roy Williams leaving to win 2 titles, and not something as ridiculous as doubting Kansas' resume'.

Damnit, I didn't listen to myself, I got in the argument with you...
Most annoying for a reason...because I usually hit a nerve.

BTW, NO JAB at Kansas whatsoever. But if YOU want to believe that to make yourself feel better, so be it, I could give two shits about what you think.
I looked at Kansas schedule, I have watched Big12...its a little deeper then the Big10..thats the extent of it. The teams below Kansas are all equivelent or below OSU, MSU, Wisky, Purdue, Minny and Ill. The seperation at this level is not as much as you and others would like us to believe. Kansas...yes...after that....its very close.
I could give a shit about RPI, SOS and all that computer shit ...all can be VERY skewed...

BTW, Kansas OCC schedule..they played 2, yes 2 "decent"t eams...Tenn and Temple. And in the Big12...they had 4 ranked team...thats it. And only two in the top 15.
The Big 10 had 4 teams ranked as well, 3 in the top 15.
So don't feed me your BY FAR bullshit...because thats what it is, bullshit!
When you have ONE team dominate a conference like Kansas did...that usually a pretty good indicator that the overall strength of a conference is not as competative as many would like to believe. SImilar to OSU dominance in big ten football.

How is that for annoying?

BTW, is it really that hard to say "I disagree, we can agree to disagree"?
Mar 15, 2010 11:50am
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Mar 15, 2010 12:09 PM
LOL yeah that's why the Big 12 got SEVEN teams in the tournament (over half their conference)???

"The teams below Kansas are all equivelent or below OSU, MSU, Wisky, Purdue, Minny and Ill."HAHAHA
(lol @ putting illinois in there...ARE YOU SERIOUS?!)
It's funny that you're actually using a team in the NIT, an 11 seed, a team who's no better than an 8 seed without their best player, and a team that has dropped off the face of the earth the last 10 games or so to try and compare your conference to mine...hahaha jeeeesus.

Oh, and are you sure about those teams being equivalent or below?
Big 12 seeds...Big 10 seeds
1...2
2...4
3...4
5...5
7...11
8...
10...

Should I rest my case, or should I rest my case?
Mar 15, 2010 12:09pm
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Mar 15, 2010 12:29 PM
Without injuries those seeds would, at a minimum, be 2, 2, 3 for OSU, Purdue, and MSU. But injuries are apart of the game which had negative impacts on MSU's and Purdue's seedings.

BTW, by some of the posting by OSU's fans makes me think that OSU should be a #6-8 seed lol.
Mar 15, 2010 12:29pm
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Mar 15, 2010 12:32 PM
SportsAndLady wrote: LOL yeah that's why the Big 12 got SEVEN teams in the tournament (over half their conference)???

"The teams below Kansas are all equivelent or below OSU, MSU, Wisky, Purdue, Minny and Ill."HAHAHA
(lol @ putting illinois in there...ARE YOU SERIOUS?!)
It's funny that you're actually using a team in the NIT, an 11 seed, a team who's no better than an 8 seed without their best player, and a team that has dropped off the face of the earth the last 10 games or so to try and compare your conference to mine...hahaha jeeeesus.

Oh, and are you sure about those teams being equivalent or below?
Big 12 seeds...Big 10 seeds
1...2
2...4
3...4
5...5
7...11
8...
10...

Should I rest my case, or should I rest my case?
Hmm, you talk out of both sides of your mouth. So now the seedings and brakets look ok? Sure they do...when you want them to fit your arguement! lol
BTW, I am not argueing on what conference is better...I NEVER said the Big10 was better. But other then Kansas, the big10 is right there. The Big12 also has more teams, which gives you a better chance...the same reason the Big East with 16 freaking games...they should be the best, have many more opportunities.
And why is it funny that I use ILL? VaTech didn't get in..Wake Forest did....VaTech had a better ACC record, better overall record...and BEAT WF. In my book...VaTech is the better team. They didn't get it, WF did. Is Morgan State, an NCAA team, better then Ill? Just because a team didn't get into the NCAA, doesn't always mean they aren't as good as a team who did get it. Its not brain science pal.

Nuff said...can agree to disagree....
Mar 15, 2010 12:32pm
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Mar 15, 2010 1:41 PM
centralbucksfan wrote:Hmm, you talk out of both sides of your mouth. So now the seedings and brakets look ok? Sure they do...when you want them to fit your arguement! lol
The seedings have never been an issue with me (or anyone else really), it's the positioning of teams that has sparked an issue. So nice try, but that didn't work.
centralbucksfan wrote:BTW, I am not argueing on what conference is better
I would hope not.
centralbucksfan wrote:But other then Kansas, the big10 is right there.
No they are not! Look at the seedings dude, they are NOT "right there" they have less teams than the Big 12 and worse seeds in every case except one where both teams are equal!
centralbucksfan wrote:The Big12 also has more teams, which gives you a better chance...the same reason the Big East with 16 freaking games...they should be the best, have many more opportunities.
Woowwwwwww..you're gonna pull that card out? They have ONE more team than the Big Ten...one. The Big East would be a valid argument for you...but not a conference with one extra team!
centralbucksfan wrote:And why is it funny that I use ILL?
Because you're trying to use a team that didn't make it into the tournament as a team to strengthen your argument LOL
centralbucksfan wrote:VaTech didn't get in..Wake Forest did....VaTech had a better ACC record, better overall record...and BEAT WF. In my book...VaTech is the better team. They didn't get it, WF did.
Well, maybe if Va Tech would play someone out of conference, the commmittee would give them a chance...I guarantee you they looked at Va Tech's OOC games and threw their name out right away. Then they looked at Wake Forest's: @ Purdue (a healthy Purdue), @ Gonzaga (win), Xavier (win), Richmond (win).

And also, it's one damn game in the ACC..you're really gonna make that argument b/c WF has 9 wins and Va Tech has 10? Yeah right...an extra win in the shitty ACC doesn't trump 4 solid OOC games to ZERO for Va Tech.
centralbucksfan wrote:Is Morgan State, an NCAA team, better then Ill?
They won their conference tournament, moron. They're an automatic bid. It doesn't matter who is the better team when you're comparing an at-large team to an automatic bid team....what, they should change that rule now?
Mar 15, 2010 1:41pm
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Mar 15, 2010 1:59 PM
I've gotta agree with S&L on this one. Big 12 > Big Ten

In the Big Ten, as of right now, you've got about 2 teams that I believe really have a chance to make it to the Sweet 16 or farther, those teams being OSU and Michigan State. Purdue just isn't the same without Hummel, which is unfortunate, but injuries are a part of the game, and there's nothing that changes that.

In the Big 12, you've got the number 1 overall seed, and IMO, 3 or 4 other teams capable of making the Sweet 16, those teams being Oklahoma State, Kansas State, Baylor, and Texas A&M.

It's simple, the Big 12 simply has more quality teams in the tourney, and overall, than the Big Ten.
Mar 15, 2010 1:59pm
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Mar 15, 2010 2:12 PM
Ga Tech could be a very bad matchup for OSU if they win. Lawal and Favors would have their way in the paint. Especially if Dallas gets in foul trouble. To say they should EASILY get to the elite 8 like ive read on thsi thread is kinda laughable. Sure they have the talent to get there, but theres nothing easy about this region what so ever
Mar 15, 2010 2:12pm
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Mar 15, 2010 2:47 PM
As an OSU fan, I would agree that the Big 12 is more powerful than the Big 10 ten this year. I guess we will see in a couple weeks when we see who is left standing. CBF will get his chance to prove S&L wrong with a couple potential Big Ten vs. Big 12 matchups in the tourney. Maybe OSU will knock off OkSt, then Kansas, and then Kansas State to get to the championship :) Well we all can dream at least.
Mar 15, 2010 2:47pm