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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Mar 23, 2010 7:44pm
Don't believe DNA is required for charges that could be brought against him.Al Capone wrote:Good post Gut. The DA's office has just dropped the request for Bens DNA. So I guess the only thing Ben will be raping is the Clowns defense.gut wrote: I love the morality police preaching "pattern" of behavior...
What pattern?!?
1) Riding a motorcycle without a helmet, WHICH WAS LEGAL, and getting hit by a car?
2) Being accused IN CIVIL COURT of rape, which any nutcase could go after anyone. A case which appears completely bogus from the start.
3) Being accused of some sort of sexual assault, but not yet charged? What if there's nothing to this? GBI already withdrew their request for DNA.
In my view, the last incident is the first and only issue here. No charges should equal no suspension. Now, foreplay in a public restroom and drinking with a 20-yr old I think could fall under conduct and possibly warrant 1-2 games.
Really you can't act on accusations that are unsupported by actual evidence and witnesses, because any player could be targeted with that. In at least 1 of these instances, Roethlisberger is a victim but people are trying to make it out as contributing to justification for suspension.
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Mar 23, 2010 7:52pm
Yeah but it sure would have helped if the chick had a legit case. I've been listening to local Pittsburgh radio lately. Not saying what I've heard is true, but it sounds like Ben's side is rather confident nothing is going to come of this.
I'm not as worried as I once was. Still terrible PR for Ben and the team.
I'm not as worried as I once was. Still terrible PR for Ben and the team.
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Be Nice
Posts: 1,120
Mar 23, 2010 7:57pm
^What makes you think she doesn't? All the facts aren't out yet.
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Al Capone
Posts: 1,727
Mar 23, 2010 8:11pm
No dna= No evidenceBe Nice wrote: ^What makes you think she doesn't? All the facts aren't out yet.
Ben's guilty of being stupid
She's guilty of lying to get into the bar to begin with. She volunteered to go into the restroom with a well known celebrity. She goes to a 3rd rate college in a town with almost 20% unemployment. What do you think her motives were?????
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Al Capone
Posts: 1,727
Mar 23, 2010 8:13pm
Your wet dream of Ben not being in the AFC north this season is over BR.BR1986FB wrote:Don't believe DNA is required for charges that could be brought against him.Al Capone wrote:Good post Gut. The DA's office has just dropped the request for Bens DNA. So I guess the only thing Ben will be raping is the Clowns defense.gut wrote: I love the morality police preaching "pattern" of behavior...
What pattern?!?
1) Riding a motorcycle without a helmet, WHICH WAS LEGAL, and getting hit by a car?
2) Being accused IN CIVIL COURT of rape, which any nutcase could go after anyone. A case which appears completely bogus from the start.
3) Being accused of some sort of sexual assault, but not yet charged? What if there's nothing to this? GBI already withdrew their request for DNA.
In my view, the last incident is the first and only issue here. No charges should equal no suspension. Now, foreplay in a public restroom and drinking with a 20-yr old I think could fall under conduct and possibly warrant 1-2 games.
Really you can't act on accusations that are unsupported by actual evidence and witnesses, because any player could be targeted with that. In at least 1 of these instances, Roethlisberger is a victim but people are trying to make it out as contributing to justification for suspension.
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Be Nice
Posts: 1,120
Mar 23, 2010 8:13pm
...is she also a virgin?
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Mar 23, 2010 8:14pm
No "wet dream." We beat the shit out of him the last game and we'll do it again. Besides, when did I say he wouldn't be in the AFC North "this season?" I thought he'd get a suspension, which he still will, but it won't be for the season.Al Capone wrote:Your wet dream of Ben not being in the AFC north this season is over BR.BR1986FB wrote:Don't believe DNA is required for charges that could be brought against him.Al Capone wrote:Good post Gut. The DA's office has just dropped the request for Bens DNA. So I guess the only thing Ben will be raping is the Clowns defense.gut wrote: I love the morality police preaching "pattern" of behavior...
What pattern?!?
1) Riding a motorcycle without a helmet, WHICH WAS LEGAL, and getting hit by a car?
2) Being accused IN CIVIL COURT of rape, which any nutcase could go after anyone. A case which appears completely bogus from the start.
3) Being accused of some sort of sexual assault, but not yet charged? What if there's nothing to this? GBI already withdrew their request for DNA.
In my view, the last incident is the first and only issue here. No charges should equal no suspension. Now, foreplay in a public restroom and drinking with a 20-yr old I think could fall under conduct and possibly warrant 1-2 games.
Really you can't act on accusations that are unsupported by actual evidence and witnesses, because any player could be targeted with that. In at least 1 of these instances, Roethlisberger is a victim but people are trying to make it out as contributing to justification for suspension.
GoChiefs
Posts: 16,754
Mar 23, 2010 8:19pm
So..we are all assholes for having an opinion about Ben without him being charged...but...you can say she has a 'motive' without any facts about the case being provided yet?? Gotcha.Al Capone wrote: What do you think her motives were?????
killer_ewok
Posts: 11,379
Mar 23, 2010 8:37pm
Just messin', ASS.GoChiefs wrote:LMAO..ass. I originally had 'the commissioners'..but changed commish to Goodell..and well..obviously didn't read the sentence afterwards. HA HAkiller_ewok wrote: WTF??? Is he consulting his family on these matters now???? :huh:
killer_ewok
Posts: 11,379
Mar 23, 2010 8:39pm
Beating the shit out of Ben doesn't always mean getting a win. I think the Browns have beat the shit out of Ben several times....but it has only amounted to 1 win for them over the last 6 years.BR1986FB wrote:No "wet dream." We beat the shit out of him the last game and we'll do it again. Besides, when did I say he wouldn't be in the AFC North "this season?" I thought he'd get a suspension, which he still will, but it won't be for the season.Al Capone wrote:Your wet dream of Ben not being in the AFC north this season is over BR.BR1986FB wrote:Don't believe DNA is required for charges that could be brought against him.Al Capone wrote:Good post Gut. The DA's office has just dropped the request for Bens DNA. So I guess the only thing Ben will be raping is the Clowns defense.gut wrote: I love the morality police preaching "pattern" of behavior...
What pattern?!?
1) Riding a motorcycle without a helmet, WHICH WAS LEGAL, and getting hit by a car?
2) Being accused IN CIVIL COURT of rape, which any nutcase could go after anyone. A case which appears completely bogus from the start.
3) Being accused of some sort of sexual assault, but not yet charged? What if there's nothing to this? GBI already withdrew their request for DNA.
In my view, the last incident is the first and only issue here. No charges should equal no suspension. Now, foreplay in a public restroom and drinking with a 20-yr old I think could fall under conduct and possibly warrant 1-2 games.
Really you can't act on accusations that are unsupported by actual evidence and witnesses, because any player could be targeted with that. In at least 1 of these instances, Roethlisberger is a victim but people are trying to make it out as contributing to justification for suspension.
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
Mar 23, 2010 8:43pm
I'll bet you $100 that he writes that woman a check. Does that mean he was guilty of rape? No. Does that mean that he behaved in a manner not 100% innocent? Absolutely yes.gut wrote: Being accused IN CIVIL COURT of rape, which any nutcase could go after anyone. A case which appears completely bogus from the start.
If they decide there's nothing to go on, fine. If there's yet another settlement, he's guilty in the court of embarrassing the league. A suspension would be in order.Being accused of some sort of sexual assault, but not yet charged? What if there's nothing to this? GBI already withdrew their request for DNA.
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september63
Posts: 5,789
Mar 23, 2010 8:44pm
High priced attorneys got Ray Lewis off too. OJ, anyone remember him? Ben isnt an OJ, but look.............Every Pitts fan still labels Ray Lewis a murderer, at minimum an accomplice. Sportsnation poll tonight said 64% believe Ben has serious issues and they dont look at him the same way.
killer_ewok
Posts: 11,379
Mar 23, 2010 8:47pm
How the hell do you know that? Have you asked EVERY Pittsburgh fan their thoughts on the Ray Lewis situation? I've joked about him being a "murderer" on and off the field but fact of the matter is.....I don't know what the fuck happened that night nor do I claim to.september63 wrote: High priced attorneys got Ray Lewis off too. OJ, anyone remember him? Ben isnt an OJ, but look.............Every Pitts fan still labels Ray Lewis a murderer, at minimum an accomplice. Sportsnation poll tonight said 64% believe Ben has serious issues and they dont look at him the same way.
september63
Posts: 5,789
Mar 23, 2010 8:49pm
LOL..............Cmon. Your guy keeps getting breaks and you look the other way. Other players get breaks and you all cry foul!!
september63
Posts: 5,789
Mar 23, 2010 8:51pm
Ill patiently wait for a Steelers fan to justify that information?
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Mar 23, 2010 8:56pm
Seriously do I have to say it AGAIN. You can't judge an ENTIRE fanbase by the statements of one or several fans.september63 wrote: LOL..............Cmon. Your guy keeps getting breaks and you look the other way. Other players get breaks and you all cry foul!!
Holy shit how stupid can you be?!
Who is looking the other way? As a Steeler fan I'm pretty pissed at the situation and I know A LOT that feel the same way.
killer_ewok
Posts: 11,379
Mar 23, 2010 8:58pm
Again with the blanket statements. We "all" cry foul? Bullshit. I haven't claimed that he's innocent nor have I defended him.september63 wrote: LOL..............Cmon. Your guy keeps getting breaks and you look the other way. Other players get breaks and you all cry foul!!
Anyways....what break did he get? Is there a double standard? OF COURSE THERE IS. No team in pro sports is going to dump a franchise-type player the way they would an expendable player. No team. And in that regard....the Steelers are no different. Now, if he's charged and it goes to trial and he's found guilty or it happens again after all of this......it won't matter how good he is because he will have fucked up too many times.
september63
Posts: 5,789
Mar 23, 2010 9:01pm
Big Ben fans you better head to the serious business forum. Ben is now being roasted over there.
Writerbuckeye
Posts: 4,745
Mar 23, 2010 9:03pm
Oh so one or two times isn't the limit for Ben...but THREE is?
Got it.
Got it.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Mar 23, 2010 9:13pm
Annoyed is more like it for me.Automatik wrote:Seriously do I have to say it AGAIN. You can't judge an ENTIRE fanbase by the statements of one or several fans.september63 wrote: LOL..............Cmon. Your guy keeps getting breaks and you look the other way. Other players get breaks and you all cry foul!!
Holy shit how stupid can you be?!
Who is looking the other way? As a Steeler fan I'm pretty pissed at the situation and I know A LOT that feel the same way.
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rock_knutne
Mar 23, 2010 9:16pm
Justify what information, that hate article?september63 wrote:Ill patiently wait for a Steelers fan to justify that information?
I just listened to a piece with Adam Schefter who's covering the owners meetings in Tampa, he even said that it's unikely Ben gets suspended if no charges are filed. Goodell will call him in, talk to him and maybe even order counciling for him but there's no way he's going to suspend Ben if he has NO PROOF of an offense.
GoChiefs
Posts: 16,754
Mar 23, 2010 9:18pm
LOL...I know.killer_ewok wrote: Just messin', ASS.
killer_ewok
Posts: 11,379
Mar 23, 2010 9:19pm
Three strikes you're out........Writerbuckeye wrote: Oh so one or two times isn't the limit for Ben...but THREE is?
Got it.
killer_ewok
Posts: 11,379
Mar 23, 2010 9:21pm
Like I give a shit if people say that he has gained weight and he is fat. It's true. LOLseptember63 wrote: Big Ben fans you better head to the serious business forum. Ben is now being roasted over there.
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Al Capone
Posts: 1,727
Mar 23, 2010 9:22pm
Where's the first strike?killer_ewok wrote:Three strikes you're out........Writerbuckeye wrote: Oh so one or two times isn't the limit for Ben...but THREE is?
Got it.