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Prescott
Posts: 2,569
Mar 11, 2010 10:28am
The on;y fact in this paragraph is "Ben is 28 years old". Everything is else is an assumption on your part. We all know that making assumptions is not very prudent.Ben is 28 years old hanging out in a bar full of 18-22 year olds and worse he is there for one thing and one thing only. That right there is sad. I have nothing against older guys and younger women. Sometimes it happens and everyone lives happily ever after but this is not what that was. He may not go to jail but I still do not see this ending well for big ben.
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rock_knutne
Mar 11, 2010 10:42am
^^^^^There's a lot of assumptions being made on this thread. Facts are, other than Ben's statement to the police (which isn't official and came through a source) no one knows what happened that night.
just_a_swimmer
Posts: 674
Mar 11, 2010 11:14am
This whole thread is full of assumptions. I was just trying to show the other side. Seems many think this girl is a whore or gold digger and she may very well be but she also may not be. Ben may be guilty of a crime and Ben may not be guilty of a crime. All I am saying is this can go either way.Prescott wrote:The on;y fact in this paragraph is "Ben is 28 years old". Everything is else is an assumption on your part. We all know that making assumptions is not very prudent.Ben is 28 years old hanging out in a bar full of 18-22 year olds and worse he is there for one thing and one thing only. That right there is sad. I have nothing against older guys and younger women. Sometimes it happens and everyone lives happily ever after but this is not what that was. He may not go to jail but I still do not see this ending well for big ben.
Darkon
Posts: 3,476
Mar 11, 2010 2:46pm
Not trying to call you out royal K. But this comment bothers me. "Not good"royal_k wrote: Yeah this was said before he retained his lawyer......Not good.
What, he needs a lawyer so they can spin the facts? If he's telling the truth he should have nothing to worry about.
I would forgive and/or forget an incident easier if these things were handled head on with out the lawyers speeking on behalf of the accused.
I know this is not the way anymore but I believe it should be.
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Footwedge
Posts: 9,265
Mar 11, 2010 3:11pm
Ben should not have said anything without first consulting a lawyer...for a myriad of reasons.
Statements made can be manipulated to suit the prosecution's case. He might be innocent, but speaking without legal representation's guidance can lead to a false conviction.
I say this...not because I think he's innocent. I don't know. And neither does anyone else on this thread. To me...it's a he said..she said thing...unless the cameras caught him doing the assault. If that be the case, then fry his ass.
Statements made can be manipulated to suit the prosecution's case. He might be innocent, but speaking without legal representation's guidance can lead to a false conviction.
I say this...not because I think he's innocent. I don't know. And neither does anyone else on this thread. To me...it's a he said..she said thing...unless the cameras caught him doing the assault. If that be the case, then fry his ass.
Darkon
Posts: 3,476
Mar 11, 2010 3:31pm
Reasons created by lawyers.Footwedge wrote: Ben should not have said anything without first consulting a lawyer...for a myriad of reasons.
Statements made can be manipulated to suit the prosecution's case. He might be innocent, but speaking without legal representation's guidance can lead to a false conviction.
I say this...not because I think he's innocent. I don't know. And neither does anyone else on this thread. To me...it's a he said..she said thing...unless the cameras caught him doing the assault. If that be the case, then fry his ass.
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Mar 11, 2010 3:53pm
Ummm, the police who actually conduct these investigations will say the same thing. Their job is to build a case, not advocate on behalf of the accused (that's what lawyers are for).Darkon wrote: Reasons created by lawyers.
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BR1986FB
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Mar 11, 2010 9:07pm
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rock_knutne
Mar 11, 2010 10:14pm
^^^^^Real credible, somene's post on a blog.:rolleyes:
killer_ewok
Posts: 11,379
Mar 11, 2010 10:18pm
Supposedly it's John Steigerwald.rock_knutne wrote: ^^^^^Real credible, somene's post on a blog.:rolleyes:
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rock_knutne
Mar 11, 2010 10:21pm
That's not John Steigerwald, I believe it's a random person making a post.killer_ewok wrote:Supposedly it's John Steigerwald.rock_knutne wrote: ^^^^^Real credible, somene's post on a blog.:rolleyes:
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rock_knutne
Mar 11, 2010 10:25pm
No check that, I "think" it is Steigerwald, which should tell you all you need to know.rock_knutne wrote:That's not John Steigerwald, I believe it's a random person making a post.killer_ewok wrote:Supposedly it's John Steigerwald.rock_knutne wrote: ^^^^^Real credible, somene's post on a blog.:rolleyes:
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Mar 11, 2010 11:41pm
From that blog you posted:
Whoever it is thinks you get high off of alcohol so how reliable can they be?Most of the accounts of the incident in Georgial mention that Ben wasn’t drinking much. The implication being that he wasn’t high. Let me be the first to point out that he could very easily have been high on something other than alcohol. If that turns out to be the case, will you be surprised?
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BR1986FB
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Mar 12, 2010 5:28am
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rock_knutne
Mar 12, 2010 6:39am
^^^^^A well known fact in Pittsburgh............Steigerwald has an axe to grind with Ben, so you can throw his opinion in to the trash.
stroups
Posts: 3,223
Mar 12, 2010 10:47am
If that really happened then Roethlisberger is no doubt the scum of the NFL. I have joked about Ben but thats just because I can't stand Pittsburgh fans. I used to like him because he was an Ohio boy, now he is definitely my least favorite player in the NFL.Steigerwald specifically points to a Make-A-Wish child that Roethlisberger allegedly blew off. Per Steigerwald, KDKA opted not to pursue the matter as a news story. Steigerwald later spoke to the parents, who did not want to go public on behalf of their daughter, who had cystic fibrosis.
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Mar 12, 2010 11:33am
It may be true, there may be an explanation (like a scheduling conflict). It may be complete bunk. None of these guys are ever held accountable (although, maybe they are, which begs the question why Steingald's career has been knocked down 2 or 3 pegs) and it's a free for all at the moment.stroups wrote: If that really happened then Roethlisberger is no doubt the scum of the NFL. I have joked about Ben but thats just because I can't stand Pittsburgh fans. I used to like him because he was an Ohio boy, now he is definitely my least favorite player in the NFL.
What is obvious is Ben once pissed on Steingald's cheerios. Based on this article, I'm going to say Ben was justified.
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Bigcoopwch56
Posts: 9
Mar 12, 2010 11:58am
haha i agreeKeebler wrote: One assault per Super Bowl ring I guess.
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Mar 12, 2010 12:57pm
rock_knutne--thank god we don't judge all Pittsburgh fans based on your posts...you are so full of yourself,but you already know that 
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BR1986FB
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Mar 12, 2010 1:47pm
stroups
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Mar 12, 2010 1:50pm
What a great namePolice Chief Woodrow Blue
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Al Capone
Posts: 1,727
Mar 12, 2010 1:51pm
And your point is?
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
Mar 12, 2010 2:05pm
This can be anything from rape to him playing a lil bit of too much grab ass with her.
True..even him grabbing her and shit isnt good either....but this could simply could be extremely minor and if he wasnt famous she may nave never ever filed a complaint.
True..even him grabbing her and shit isnt good either....but this could simply could be extremely minor and if he wasnt famous she may nave never ever filed a complaint.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Mar 12, 2010 2:24pm
Pretty obvious, dumbfuck.Al Capone wrote:And your point is?
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RiverRat13
Posts: 377
Mar 12, 2010 2:27pm
Whoooa. You give capone way too much credit if you think anything can be considered obvious to him...BR1986FB wrote:Pretty obvious, dumbfuck.Al Capone wrote:And your point is?