thedynasty1998 wrote: At least OSU is in the discussion, and who would have ever thought that at the beginning of this year. Bilas this morning said that he has OSU as his last #1. Gottlieb had Duke, referencing that Duke played more teams in the top 100 than OSU.

I wonder what kind of factor the Big 10 Championship being played so late on Sunday plays in the decision of the committee?

In the past, they have pretty much said they have had the brackets finished prior to the BTT championship. This, I don't believe it will have an impact one way or the other unless its a bubble buster. Then they would have to scramble at the last minute. I think if OSU makes the finals of BTT, they lock up a #1. If not, then we'll see where they fall depending on how others do.

Never in my wildest dreams did i even think Ohio State would be in the discussion for a #1 seed this season...was just hoping for a 5 or 6 seed and maybe a 4, if things went especially well.

Pretty doubtful even with some loses imo. UK, KU, and Syracuse have it easy.

Duke:
RPI 2, SOS 6

K-State:
RPI 5, SOS 5

Villanova
RPI 7, SOS 30

West Virginia
RPI 6, SOS 4

OSU
RPI 29, SOS 68

Even teams like Baylor, Texas A&M, New Mexico, Pittsburgh, Vanderbilt, etc. Have better numbers.

The KEY is Maryland though. They have better RPI and SOS and are playing in the ACC tourney with Duke. It would seem unlikely the winner of that tourney is anyone but those two, and if one of those 2 wins it...they will grab the last #1.

Laley23 wrote: Pretty doubtful even with some loses imo. UK, KU, and Syracuse have it easy.

Duke:
RPI 2, SOS 6

K-State:
RPI 5, SOS 5

Villanova
RPI 7, SOS 30

West Virginia
RPI 6, SOS 4

OSU
RPI 29, SOS 68

Even teams like Baylor, Texas A&M, New Mexico, Pittsburgh, Vanderbilt, etc. Have better numbers.

The KEY is Maryland though. They have better RPI and SOS and are playing in the ACC tourney with Duke. It would seem unlikely the winner of that tourney is anyone but those two, and if one of those 2 wins it...they will grab the last #1.

Those numbers are great. And they are used, but as I have heard many times from committee members, they are not the end all numbers. I mean all you have to do is look at UK's SOS and RPI to know they won't look at those when seeding UK.
Again, just like the voters in the polls are taking into consideration, the committee will look and remember when Turner was out. They have said as much in the past that injuries play a part.
I don't believe its a long shot at all for OSU. I believe their resume' happens to be better then those above numbers, they have arguably the best player in college basketball and they have played VERY welll the last part of the season (last 10 games are looked at closely).
OSU has a lot going for them right now. I think they make the BTT finals...they have as good a shot as the others being mentioned for that final #4 slot.

centralbucksfan wrote:

Those numbers are great. And they are used, but as I have heard many times from committee members, they are not the end all numbers. I mean all you have to do is look at UK's SOS and RPI to know they won't look at those when seeding UK.
Again, just like the voters in the polls are taking into consideration, the committee will look and remember when Turner was out. They have said as much in the past that injuries play a part.
I don't believe its a long shot at all for OSU. I believe their resume' happens to be better then those above numbers, they have arguably the best player in college basketball and they have played VERY welll the last part of the season (last 10 games are looked at closely).
OSU has a lot going for them right now. I think they make the BTT finals...they have as good a shot as the others being mentioned for that final #4 slot.

I agree they wont be the end all numbers for teams seeding (I think they are the BIGGEST numbers for bubbles teams though). The reason I pointed them out is because of the huge difference. I think other factors (last 10, overall record, record vs ranked teams, record vs rpi top 25/50/100, bad losses etc.) will take a part but they will be really close so you wouldnt be able to pick an edge over one team or another. In the above cases, OSU is pretty far down. I happen to think OSU is better than all of them but Nova, or Duke and think Vandy presents a tough match-up.

The biggest advantage OSU has is, as you have pointed out, Turners injury and how well he has played since coming back. The argument can be made for only 3 loses. Im just not sure a team like Maryland or Nova winning out doesnt put them in the drivers seat (Duke is currently).

This will all be moot when Michigan State pulls out the BTT though!

Laley23 wrote:

centralbucksfan wrote:



This will all be moot when Michigan State pulls out the BTT though!

Ya...I mean, right now, they look pretty impressive after squeeking by that power PSU at home!

BTW, the bracket will be finished before the BTT champ game is over.

I just read every post here. No one mentioned Kansas State. If K State were to run the table in conference tourney and beat kansas along the way, they would get the #1 seed. Regardless of anything OSU or Duke did.

Regarding Maryland. They can wim the ACC Tourney but still would never sniff a #1 seed. Losses to William and Mary, Cincinnati and Clemson wont allow this to happen.

september63 wrote: Regarding Maryland. They can wim the ACC Tourney but still would never sniff a #1 seed. Losses to William and Mary, Cincinnati and Clemson wont allow this to happen.

Nothin wrong w/ losing to Clemson, nothing wrong w/ losing to Cincinnati. W&M was bad though.

centralbucksfan wrote:

Ya...I mean, right now, they look pretty impressive after squeeking by that power PSU at home!

BTW, the bracket will be finished before the BTT champ game is over.

That was a shit performance. But they won, and I still think they win the BTT.

september63 wrote: I just read every post here. No one mentioned Kansas State. If K State were to run the table in conference tourney and beat kansas along the way, they would get the #1 seed. Regardless of anything OSU or Duke did.

You sure you read them all???

Even with the lose to Kansas they are in the thick of it for sure.

september63 wrote: Regarding Maryland. They can wim the ACC Tourney but still would never sniff a #1 seed. Losses to William and Mary, Cincinnati and Clemson wont allow this to happen.

Ya, not sure where Maryland is coming in....they will be extremely lucky to get in the #2 conversation IMO.

Yes, all of them. It had turned into a debate about it being OSU or Duke. I just mentioned dont rule out Kansas State. Same thing you just said too. All are forgetting about Purdue, too. If they won the Big 10 tourney. (although this is unlikely w/o Hummel)

september63 wrote: Yes, all of them. It had turned into a debate about it being OSU or Duke. I just mentioned dont rule out Kansas State. Same thing you just said too. All are forgetting about Purdue, too. If they won the Big 10 tourney. (although this is unlikely w/o Hummel)

Well you didnt read my post very carefully. They were the second team in my list with numbers.

Purdue isnt being talked about because most dont think they will win the B10 tourney.

centralbucksfan wrote:

september63 wrote: Regarding Maryland. They can wim the ACC Tourney but still would never sniff a #1 seed. Losses to William and Mary, Cincinnati and Clemson wont allow this to happen.

Ya, not sure where Maryland is coming in....they will be extremely lucky to get in the #2 conversation IMO.

I didnt realize they had loses to W&M as well as Cinci.

The Clemson loss isnt that bad though.

Don't know if it's been said, but I would love to see Duke get a #1 and OSU #2, with both of them in the same regional.

On a side note, I looked at an old thread after the first OSU vs. Wisky game, and there are so many people who were in panic mode. I tried to tell folks to calm down, but even I didn't expect the season to wind up as good as it has. What an enjoyable experience to watch this year's team from start to now...

jt_13 wrote: Don't know if it's been said, but I would love to see Duke get a #1 and OSU #2, with both of them in the same regional.

On a side note, I looked at an old thread after the first OSU vs. Wisky game, and there are so many people who were in panic mode. I tried to tell folks to calm down, but even I didn't expect the season to wind up as good as it has. What an enjoyable experience to watch this year's team from start to now...

To be fair, a lot of OSU fans panic was because Turner was supposed to be out about twice as long as he was. They were pretty shitty without him, so the panic was a little more justifiable.

I'm not sure why it would be a lock for an OSU number one if the Buckeyes merely reach the Big Ten Finals. If Duke beats Carolina tonight and then wins the ACC championship in Greensboro, the one would be Duke's if it were only a battle between the Blue Devils and Buckeyes.

I'm not taking the time to go through the numbers and such, because, frankly, I don't want to take the time. And I've already been there before. But Duke has the better overall resume. I think that's pretty clear (unless, of course, you're an OSU fan).

This is definitely one of those "we'll have to agree to disagree" arguments.

I will say this, though. I want OSU in the tournament.