Al Capone wrote: Holmgren should bring in the only QB he's ever won anything with.

FAVRE!!!!!

So, he didn't win in Seattle with Hasslebeck?

Another vote for Kevin Kolb.

Al Capone wrote: Holmgren should bring in the only QB he's ever won anything with.

FAVRE!!!!!

I'm pretty sure he was the QB coach for Joe Montana and Steve Young. Just saying.

gibby08 wrote: While I'm not a full fledged fan...I would like to see them make a deal for Tavaris Jackson

I'm a Tavaris Jackson fan too, although my top 2 choices would be Jason Campbell and Kolb.

I don't want to see either of the choices mentioned see another snap in Cleveland.

Add me to the Kevin Kolb fanclub. I would trade Rogers and a second round pick for him.

Anderson for me.

I was high on Kolb before I saw his stats aren't any better than Quinn's. So far he has that "Matt Schaub/Matt Cassel mystique" before anyone knew about him. The hype looked accurate with Schaub but not so much with Cassel.

I wouldn't mind getting Pennington and drafting a WCO kind of guy like LeFevour

miller45452003 wrote:

Al Capone wrote: Holmgren should bring in the only QB he's ever won anything with.

FAVRE!!!!!

So, he didn't win in Seattle with Hasslebeck?

he made it to the big game in Seattle with Hasslebeck, the browns cant even claim a trip to the superbowl.

I don't want either.

Why Anderson is even an option is beyond me. He's not going to be on the team following March 19th.

I'm giving Brady Quinn a chance personally, but I'm also thinking to bring a QB in the 3rd/4th round to compete with him and make him drive to be successful.

However, I'm also aware that we have to get players around him to succeed and hope that Daboll gets his head out of his ass when calling plays.

DaBrowns41 wrote: Why Anderson is even an option is beyond me. He's not going to be on the team following March 19th.

I'm giving Brady Quinn a chance personally, but I'm also thinking to bring a QB in the 3rd/4th round to compete with him and make him drive to be successful.

However, I'm also aware that we have to get players around him to succeed and hope that Daboll gets his head out of his ass when calling plays.

Probably because, although Anderson is bad, Brady is worse.

rydawg5 wrote:

DaBrowns41 wrote: Why Anderson is even an option is beyond me. He's not going to be on the team following March 19th.

I'm giving Brady Quinn a chance personally, but I'm also thinking to bring a QB in the 3rd/4th round to compete with him and make him drive to be successful.

However, I'm also aware that we have to get players around him to succeed and hope that Daboll gets his head out of his ass when calling plays.

Probably because, although Anderson is bad, Brady is worse.

Only the uneducated say that.

DaBrowns41 wrote:

rydawg5 wrote:

DaBrowns41 wrote: Why Anderson is even an option is beyond me. He's not going to be on the team following March 19th.

I'm giving Brady Quinn a chance personally, but I'm also thinking to bring a QB in the 3rd/4th round to compete with him and make him drive to be successful.

However, I'm also aware that we have to get players around him to succeed and hope that Daboll gets his head out of his ass when calling plays.

Probably because, although Anderson is bad, Brady is worse.

Only the uneducated say that.

Oh... Why would Brady be better? Because he lasts about 35 minutes before he breaks a bone? Because he only throws to check downs?

Why would Andersen be better, because he can't throw anything, including check downs?

rydawg5 wrote:

DaBrowns41 wrote:

rydawg5 wrote:

DaBrowns41 wrote: Why Anderson is even an option is beyond me. He's not going to be on the team following March 19th.

I'm giving Brady Quinn a chance personally, but I'm also thinking to bring a QB in the 3rd/4th round to compete with him and make him drive to be successful.

However, I'm also aware that we have to get players around him to succeed and hope that Daboll gets his head out of his ass when calling plays.

Probably because, although Anderson is bad, Brady is worse.

Only the uneducated say that.

Oh... Why would Brady be better? Because he lasts about 35 minutes before he breaks a bone? Because he only throws to check downs?

When your offensive coordinator runs virtually the same passing play on each drive, it limits your ability to move the ball effectively. The TE and slot receivers ran 3-5 yard routes almost every play, while the #1 receiver would run a max of a 10-15 yard route. That doesn't throw defenses off, especially considering that our receiving corps consists of Mohamed Massoquoi, Chansi Stuckey, Josh Cribbs, Robert Royal, and Mike Furrey (who played safety a lot of the season). When Mohamed Massoquoi is your most productive receiver, you have problems.

Also keep in mind that Quinn suffered through 19 dropped passes in just 256 attempts 2 of those 19 drops came against Baltimore for his 2 INT's, neither in which was his fault. Since coming back from the bye week, including Baltimore, he didn't turn the ball over through the air, making smart passes. While he didn't light anything up except for San Diego and Detroit, he played much smarter football than his first 3 games, and showed improvement.

Seriously arguing who is better between Anderson and Quinn is like 2 women arguing who has a bigger penis! Neither one of them have much going for them!

buckeyes_woowee wrote: Seriously arguing who is better between Anderson and Quinn is like 2 women arguing who has a bigger penis! Neither one of them have much going for them!

Anderson has little to nothing going for him and all that Quinn can do is manage a no huddle offense by handing the ball off. Everytime he (Quinn) drops back to pass, part of the INTELLIGENT, non "fanboy" fanbase dies.

DaBrowns41 wrote:

rydawg5 wrote:

DaBrowns41 wrote:

rydawg5 wrote:

DaBrowns41 wrote: Why Anderson is even an option is beyond me. He's not going to be on the team following March 19th.

I'm giving Brady Quinn a chance personally, but I'm also thinking to bring a QB in the 3rd/4th round to compete with him and make him drive to be successful.

However, I'm also aware that we have to get players around him to succeed and hope that Daboll gets his head out of his ass when calling plays.

Probably because, although Anderson is bad, Brady is worse.

Only the uneducated say that.

Oh... Why would Brady be better? Because he lasts about 35 minutes before he breaks a bone? Because he only throws to check downs?

When your offensive coordinator runs virtually the same passing play on each drive, it limits your ability to move the ball effectively. The TE and slot receivers ran 3-5 yard routes almost every play, while the #1 receiver would run a max of a 10-15 yard route. That doesn't throw defenses off, especially considering that our receiving corps consists of Mohamed Massoquoi, Chansi Stuckey, Josh Cribbs, Robert Royal, and Mike Furrey (who played safety a lot of the season). When Mohamed Massoquoi is your most productive receiver, you have problems.

Also keep in mind that Quinn suffered through 19 dropped passes in just 256 attempts 2 of those 19 drops came against Baltimore for his 2 INT's, neither in which was his fault. Since coming back from the bye week, including Baltimore, he didn't turn the ball over through the air, making smart passes. While he didn't light anything up except for San Diego and Detroit, he played much smarter football than his first 3 games, and showed improvement.

come on now your gonna bring up dropped passes ? and only 19 out of 256, i seen the browns receivers drop 17 in 2 games with anderson at qb. when quinn did his best work against the chargers the game was over for the most part. most everyone had left the stadium including the chargers defense. the O.C. doesnt call the same pass play quinn checks off to the same pass play. the receivers were bad for both qbs

The offensive coordinator calls the SAME plays for Quinn as he does for DA. Quinn checks down because a) he's afraid to make a mistake and b) he doesn't have the arm to make ALL of the throws. The Quinn pimps have nobody but Quinn to blame for these checkdowns. I watched, on SEVERAL occasions, where Quinn had open receivers on "go" routes but took the safe checkdown option.

Yep, and you wonder why DA had even less success this season against significantly worse competition.

I know DA had dropped passes, I never said he didn't. But the fact that you guys are completely disregarding the fact that there is no talent on the offense outside of Harrison and potentially Mo Mass is stupid.

Read this:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/338263-first-round-quarterbacks-what-do-they-need-for-success

Maybe you'll learn a thing or two.

DaBrowns41 wrote: Yep, and you wonder why DA had even less success this season against significantly worse competition.

I know DA had dropped passes, I never said he didn't. But the fact that you guys are completely disregarding the fact that there is no talent on the offense outside of Harrison and potentially Mo Mass is stupid.

Read this:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/338263-first-round-quarterbacks-what-do-they-need-for-success

Maybe you'll learn a thing or two.

You sure do like to pimp that Bleacher Report. They put out a decent article once in awhile but for the most part it's "pro Quinn" shit.

So basically what you are saying above is that you are in the "the Browns couldn't win even with Peyton Manning because they have no offensive talent" camp which is bullshit. A "good" (which we don't have) QB will make their supporting cast rise to the occasion....they will settle for nothing less. Manning made Garcon and Collie household names. You can't tell me those two receivers would have had the same type of years with Quinn throwing them the ball. Same can be said for Tom Brady and the scrubs he had prior to Moss. Pure hogwash.

BR1986FB wrote:

DaBrowns41 wrote: Yep, and you wonder why DA had even less success this season against significantly worse competition.

I know DA had dropped passes, I never said he didn't. But the fact that you guys are completely disregarding the fact that there is no talent on the offense outside of Harrison and potentially Mo Mass is stupid.

Read this:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/338263-first-round-quarterbacks-what-do-they-need-for-success

Maybe you'll learn a thing or two.

You sure do like to pimp that Bleacher Report. They put out a decent article once in awhile but for the most part it's "pro Quinn" shit.

So basically what you are saying above is that you are in the "the Browns couldn't win even with Peyton Manning because they have no offensive talent" camp which is bullshit. A "good" (which we don't have) QB will make their supporting cast rise to the occasion....they will settle for nothing less. Manning made Garcon and Collie household names. You can't tell me those two receivers would have had the same type of years with Quinn throwing them the ball. Same can be said for Tom Brady and the scrubs he had prior to Moss. Pure hogwash.

Not at all. There are always exceptions to the rule, and Manning is obviously one of them. But even Manning had Harrison and Faulk to start out, and after Faulk left had a productive runner in Edgerrin James (not to mention James was arguably the best 3rd down back of his time, especially as a blocker).

Oh, and while Holmgren may or may not care for Quinn, he agrees that 12 starts isn't enough to evaluate a player, let alone a QB.
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Holmgren: No final decisions yet

Zac Jackson, Staff Writer
02.26.2010

INDIANAPOLIS - Jerome Harrison in the plans, but those plans are yet to be finalized.
With less than a week until the veteran player movement begins, new team president Mike Holmgren said at the NFL Scouting Combine Friday that no final decisions have been reached on how the Browns hope to attack the next stage of the offseason, including settling the quarterback situation.

Holmgren said the Browns have come to a consensus regarding the level at which they'll tender their restricted free agents. He wasn't ready to share details on those, but he did say the team plans to do what it can to keep potential suitors away from Harrison, whose strong finish to the 2009 season included a team-record 286-yard rushing day in Kansas City.

"We're going to tender him something that makes it very difficult for someone else to come get him," Holmgren said.
Restricted free agents must be extended a tender offer by March 4. The free agency and trading period begins the next day.
Holmgren said he and his staff have discussed players who could potentially be available in free agency and by trade and that the team's offensive needs and priorities include settling the quarterback situation, adding depth on the offensive line, adding depth at running back and adding speed at wide receiver.

"Not that we don't have some of those things," he said. "But we need more."
Acknowledging that Derek Anderson's impending roster bonus creates "a deadline," Holmgren said he hopes to have a decision on the status of Anderson and Brady Quinn "soon." But it's both a complicated decision and one Holmgren isn't taking lightly.

"It's hard because I think Quinn has played 12 ballgames in three years," Holmgren said. "It takes some time.
"Someone's got to play a full season. Not two games here, off two games, three games, off two, that doesn't work because whoever's playing, the first interception, everybody in the stands yells for the other guy. And then you switch them. It doesn't work.

"So pick one, commit, coach them up, build confidence, make them better and go. And surround them with good people."
Though Holmgren called it a "longshot" that both Quinn and Anderson will be on the 2010 roster, "you never say never. I've gone on the record saying I don't want a quarterback competition. They did that last year. It didn't work all that great I don't think. Now let's try to fix it."
Holmgren said he believes the Browns' decisions will come "right up to the end on all of those things because of roster bonuses, availability of trades, when does free agency actually start. There's an order to it and we'll follow the rules, but nothing's going to come out early, I don't think."
Other tidbits from Holmgren...
**He said the "dialogue is very healthy" between the Browns and representatives for Joshua Cribbs as the sides try to work out a new contract. "Josh is under contract for three years, but I understand his value," Holmgren said. "It's moving, but it's not done yet."
**He said the Browns won't spend much time with draftable quarterback prospects here at the combine. "If we like a guy, we'll bring him into Cleveland and get to know him better there."
**The team's other potential restricted free agents include D'Qwell Jackson, Lawrence Vickers, Brodney Pool, Matt Roth and Jason Trusnik. Restricted free agents can be tendered offers based on the round in which they were originally drafted or they can receive a second-round tender, a first-round tender or a tender that would include receiving a first and third-round pick from a team that signs the player to an offer sheet that isn't matched. A restricted free agent who doesn't receive a tender becomes an unrestricted free agent.
**General Manager Tom Heckert and head coach Eric Mangini will speak on Saturday afternoon.

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He's also acknowledging how the QB competition last year was a hardcore fail on the Browns part.

And I think Holmgren's comments may very well be a smokescreen. If you look at his history, he has always traded for a young veteran to groom. I could see that happening.

Holmgren is not a "process" type guy like Mangini. He will want to win NOW and anyone with a set of eyes is going to see that it won't happen immediately with Quinn.

I don't care what the Browns record was last year. I think they can compete in this division, NOW. They beat Pittsburgh and should have beaten Cincinnati. Baltimore still doesn't impress me and I feel they too are beatable. That is only going to happen with a legit QB, which we DON'T currently have on the roster. You can't consistently beat those teams running the ball 35x's per game and hoping for Josh Cribbs to bust one on a punt, kickoff or in the Wildcat. Ninety yards passing on 15 completions just doesn't cut it.