Case Western>Kenyon=Denison>Ohio State>Akron>BGSU>Kent State



it definitely matters where you go to some extent, but a lot of times its who you know, your personality, etc.

^^and not a bash on anyone,,just the way i see it...big OSU fan here!! born and raised a buckeye, too close to home tho

top 5 for entrepreneurship and very good for finance...U. Dayton

UA5straightin2008 wrote: Case Western>Kenyon=Denison>Ohio State>Akron>BGSU>Kent State



it definitely matters where you go to some extent, but a lot of times its who you know, your personality, etc.

^^and not a bash on anyone,,just the way i see it...big OSU fan here!! born and raised a buckeye, too close to home tho

The extent is pretty damn small. Might matter in the first 5 years--after that, barely. Unless you get lucky and a potential boss happens to be a grad of your school and that matters to him or some BS like that. But it's pretty damn small. Bottom line is, if you were meant for a cubicle, you'll end up there. OSU doesn't teach you how not to be a douche bag. People make themselves what they are, not their school.

SQ_Crazies wrote:

UA5straightin2008 wrote: Case Western>Kenyon=Denison>Ohio State>Akron>BGSU>Kent State



it definitely matters where you go to some extent, but a lot of times its who you know, your personality, etc.

^^and not a bash on anyone,,just the way i see it...big OSU fan here!! born and raised a buckeye, too close to home tho

The extent is pretty damn small. Might matter in the first 5 years--after that, barely. Unless you get lucky and a potential boss happens to be a grad of your school and that matters to him or some BS like that. But it's pretty damn small. Bottom line is, if you were meant for a cubicle, you'll end up there. OSU doesn't teach you how not to be a douche bag. People make themselves what they are, not their school.

would definitely agree that it is much more important when trying to get a job..once youve got the job and try to move up where you went doesnt necesarily matter in the eyes of the employer as long as you are getting the job done...im trying to go to med school...i reallly really want to go to OSU for med school because of its reputation, but it is very hard to do..i worry that i wont get in all the time..but then i think, hell even if i have to settle for wright state, when i graduate, i will still have the title Dr. in front of my name

old joke: what do you call the person who graduated last in their class in med school?

a doctor

Exactly. I mean with med school, it's a bit different than business school. But I mean, you go to Wright State and like you said--you're still a doctor. Can't wait for the big old real world cock slaps him in the face and helps him realize he isn't going to be offered a position as a senior VP for a Fortune 500 company because he went to OSU.

^^but i would say that my bro, who is going to wharton at upenn next year, may be offered that senior vp position at a fortune 500 company just because he graduated from the number one business school in the WORLD

As you will learn with more and more experience of reading my posts--I completely understand that there are exceptions for almost anything.

I had a classmate who is at Harvard right now, doing extremely well, and I've already heard of some of the opportunities he's opened up. Unbelievable.

Just like Bob Sebo is an exception, not the rule, coming out of BGSU.

But the way sleeper makes it sound, you'd think guys like Sebo are the rule at OSU.

i'm not disagreeing with you

just i guess, stating an exception (and expressing my jealousy of my bro lol)

SQ_Crazies wrote: That's fine. I'm just saying, don't be a cock sucker and try to degrade someone because they don't go to Ohio State and you do. It doesn't make you some big shot. And since you clearly don't believe me, his name is Bob Sebo. He's from my home town, Salem, Ohio--lives there still. I do know him, another FreeHuddler worked for him (jpake1). He's a co-founder of a little company called Paychex. You know who else is from my home town? Max Fisher. So there you go, you have one guy who went on to Ohio State and proved he could be excellent with that education. Another guy from the same town, goes onto BGSU and proves you can get it done with that education as well. Quite possibly it has very little to do with where the degree came from...

Bottom line, quit trying to be a punk ass and rip on people who go to Akron.

Yeah? You 'know' a guy? LOL

Yeah, and people from Akron know Lebron James, so that makes them cool lawlz

LOL, it's really funny that you don't believe me--but alright. Doesn't make my point any less valid anyways.

jpake worked for him.
Quake_and_Bake knows him.
GoPens knows him.
ts1227 knows him.
QuakerOats knows him.

He's from Salem, just like your boy Max Fisher. Everyone knows everyone in Salem.

Sleeper, not to rain on your parade, but Bob Sebo is a real person, who is from Salem and I have heard from him personally that his current net worth is in excess of 400 million. He still resides on the board of executives for paychex. He Graduated from BGSU and even has his name written on some buildings there. He was the co-founder of paychex, originally worked for GM or Ford I believe. I've eaten at his table, and had the pleasure of playing golf on his "9 hole" golf course, situated cleverly on his property to create 9 fairways from only three holes. He's a huge supporter of the schools in Salem, and he loves his football. He paid for the entire football team to eat catered steak dinners every thursday before games my entire senior year. He was going to fund the construction of the SAM Center, which was planned to be a sports complex built as an addition for the high school. He's a standup guy and he never set foot in OSU for educational purposes. I had direct admission to several business schools out of highschool, and while Ohio State's business school is good, it still didnt rank in my top 5 choices. I'm no longer a business major, but a simple google search can tell you that Fisher is far from the top, and it isn't showing any signs of climbing the ranks as rapidly as you anticipate.

Bottom line is, you can go anywhere your first four years. If you do well enough, you'll have the pleasure of walking the halls of Wharton. But don't kid yourself, graduating with an MBA from any "top" business school does not ensure you have a job. Your education is what you make it, you can graduate with an MBA but have no idea how to apply it in the real world. That diploma might say you have the "know how" but it doesn't say that you've successfully applied that know how.. and that's what employers want to see. If you graduate from Akron with an MBA, you have just as many opportunities as the guy who graduated from Fisher. Landing a big bucks job has a lot more to do with, who you know, and how you portray yourself. You can't even adequately argue that Ohio State gives you better connections, you would have to give me some serious quantative data to prove that claim. It's all about your performance, don't think you're entitled to a job because you got a piece of paper from THE OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY.. NOW THATS A JOKE.

College is just a way for the government to suck money out of your pockets, because you think you're getting something valuable you couldn't attain otherwise. What really happens is, you buy a textbook for a class, and a professor regurgitates the same information to you, in the manner that they see is most appropriate, as opposed to absorbing the information on your own, in order to come to your own conclusions. Society has made the institution the norm, and it exploits people like you, who are so arrogant to believe that a couple years of listening to "smart people" at BIG NAME U ultimately makes you more successful and intelligent than someone who chose not to take the same path and go to Small Town U. You're the one that believes paying extra money will somehow magically create a better education, when in reality, you're just paying someone more to tell you the same information that 40 other universities are teaching their students for half the price. It's completely evident that having a college education doesn't pave your way. In fact some of the most successful people in the world never finished or attempted to attend College. Success has to do with drive, it has to do with intrinsic motivation and passion. I dont care where you graduated from or plan to, the fact of the matter is... You could put yourself in the same position as someone else with an MBA from a school most people have never heard of, and if that person is more passionate and driven, that person will be more successful, and much happier because they're not living an illusion created by the massive human ego.

One other thing to consider.. The population of Ohio State compared to other universities is staggering. That alone means that there will inevitebly be more people who are successful.. Its pure numbers.

As my teaching career approaches it's end after 43 years and I look back, I am very happy with the way things have turned out. I have never taken part in a "my school can beat up your school" argument because I see no point in it. I chose Bowling Green a long time before it chose me. I chose it because it is a good place to go if you are interested in teaching. It was when I enrolled well over four decades ago, and it is today. I teach along side several Ohio State grads who are excellent teachers and were obviously well educated for their chosen profession. I feel that I was also educated very well for mine. I don't have my name on buildings that I donated to the University like Mr. Sebo does and I applaud his generosity to his Alma Mater. I am a proud BG graduate, just like Mr. Sebo and obviously he went much further with his education from a financial point of view. That's fine. We all have choices we make about our life's goals and our occupational paths. This is, afterall, America. The point is, money isn't the only goal out there. It is possible to go to a good school, get a good education, and be successful in your chosen avocation. The simple fact is that your university degree gets you in the door. After that, you are on your own, whether you went to Harvard, Cambridge, Yale, Ohio State, Bowling Green, or Owens Community College. If you are a doofus, it doesn't matter what your diploma says. What matters is what you have done on your own. Every now and then when I'm out in the community, I will run into a former student and we will talk. Once in awhile the person has something nice to say to me about his experience in my class or what I meant to him after he left our school and headed out into the real world. If you are a teacher, you know that there is no better reward our profession has than to receive the thanks of a former student. It is a wonderful extra "payday" along the way.

U of Akron is more scary then tOSU.

FairwoodKing wrote:

ZWICK 4 PREZ wrote: Indiana

Akron is worthless unless you want Engineering.

Wrong. I taught in the Akron business school and I can assure you that it is excellent.

Right. I went to Akron and know their clientele in their business college. There's no explanation needed as to why it's on no ones "Best Business School" list. There is, however, a reason their Engineering school is on most lists. I will say one thing for Akron's business school; it does have a lot of decently intelligent people who couldn't cut it in engineering.

SQ_Crazies wrote: I know a guy who went to BOWLING GREEN and is a billionaire. I know people who went to OSU who are high school teachers now. The school only tells part of the story, and it's a pretty small part.

Actually it plays a large part, your anecdotal exceptions aside. Less so at an undergraduate level, very much so for graduate and professional schools.

ZWICK 4 PREZ wrote:

FairwoodKing wrote:

ZWICK 4 PREZ wrote: Indiana

Akron is worthless unless you want Engineering.

Wrong. I taught in the Akron business school and I can assure you that it is excellent.

Right. I went to Akron and know their clientele in their business college. There's no explanation needed as to why it's on no ones "Best Business School" list. There is, however, a reason their Engineering school is on most lists. I will say one thing for Akron's business school; it does have a lot of decently intelligent people who couldn't cut it in engineering.

Maybe I am just defensive because I am at Akron but I totally understand your concern about the clientele in the business college. It is the caveat of having an open enrollment school. Someone who utilizes a school such as Akron as what may be their only higher education option is more likely to pick business then a great program like engineering.

What I can tell you from experience with undergrad is that yes there are some people who it was either Akron or community college but that doesn't depict the entire business school community.

The professors do not cater to those types of students. The coursework at least for the professor I work for who teaches undergrad is very rigorous and expects people to know a lot. The professors here have a lot of experience at other business schools which may be considered more prestigious. The professor I am employed by also won the best academic paper award at the annual, national FPA convention which is one of the biggest financial organizations.

I've seen awards from past case competitions that Akron has won against mostly Big 10 schools who are known for their high academic standards. Last semester a group of students got to go to Omaha and spend a day with Warren Buffett with the likes of students from UT-Austin and Penn whom I am sure are thought higher than Akron.

As for rankings this is what I pulled off of Wiki (Akron's site is down at the moment)

In 2009, the college was recently ranked by BusinessWeek magazine has having the 93rd best undergraduate business program in the country, after Iowa State University and before the University of Illinois at Chicago College of Business Administration, placing it in the top 6% of the 1,600 such programs in the United States.

The college has been recently featured in The Princeton Review's "The Best 301 Business Schools: 2010 edition". This is the sixth consecutive year that the CBA has attained this recognition.

The college's program in entrepreneurial studies was ranked by Entrepreneur Magazine in 2003 among the top 25 schools with such a program in the US.

Sorry for the tirade but I don't like when someone discredit's anything without actually being a part of that environment. Zwick, the business program has made great strides since the early-mid 2000's so while your assumption was true before, I highly disagree that your perception is still the same today.

End rant.

queencitybuckeye wrote:

SQ_Crazies wrote: I know a guy who went to BOWLING GREEN and is a billionaire. I know people who went to OSU who are high school teachers now. The school only tells part of the story, and it's a pretty small part.

Actually it plays a large part, your anecdotal exceptions aside. Less so at an undergraduate level, very much so for graduate and professional schools.

Exactly.

Whenever people talk about schools, the Huddle consistently says, "Oh, it doesn't matter, an MBA is an MBA is an MBA, etc." This is not true. The average Stanford MBA grad has a starting salary of $225k. To pick an Ohio school for comparison, the average Case Western grad has a starting salary of $100k. The difference is even bigger the further down the scale you go. It may be that Stanford is marginally more expensive (~$30k over 3 years), but it's massively the better choice, tuition aside.

If you want to figure out the best place for you--on the ugrad or grad level--check out Forbes, USNews, and other ranking systems. Look at post-graduation employment numbers and salaries, realizing that they can be somewhat misleading. Think about where you want to be in 5 years or 10 years.

If your goal is to stay local and work for mom & dad, go somewhere cheap and get the degree. If your goal is to maximize the return on your investment, go to a school that does that. But whatever you do, don't listen to the people on the Huddle who say, "My alma mater XYZ business school is top 5 in the world!" Unless the name of their school is Stanford, Harvard, Chicago, Tuck (Dartmouth), Wharton (Penn), Sloan (MIT), Columbia, Kellog (Northwestern), Haas (Berkeley), Yale, or Darden (Virginia), they're full of crap and are letting their loyalty blind them to the real story.

queencitybuckeye wrote:

SQ_Crazies wrote: I know a guy who went to BOWLING GREEN and is a billionaire. I know people who went to OSU who are high school teachers now. The school only tells part of the story, and it's a pretty small part.

Actually it plays a large part, your anecdotal exceptions aside. Less so at an undergraduate level, very much so for graduate and professional schools.

Your undergrad really only plays a part when it comes to business when you are looking at top tier MBA programs and/or going into I Banking. I mean, hell, we have had guys get into Harvard Law from Otterbein, but no one has ever gone to Wharton for a Finance Masters.

mucalum49 wrote: In 2009, the college was recently ranked by BusinessWeek magazine has having the 93rd best undergraduate business program in the country, after Iowa State University and before the University of Illinois at Chicago College of Business Administration, placing it in the top 6% of the 1,600 such programs in the United States.

The college has been recently featured in The Princeton Review's "The Best 301 Business Schools: 2010 edition". This is the sixth consecutive year that the CBA has attained this recognition.

While these are interesting numbers, some perspective is in order. If this were a college basketball team, 93rd would make Akron a perennial powerhouse like . . . Iona, or Sam Houston, or Duquesne.

Being in the top 301 means they'd beat out basketball powerhouses likes South Carolina Upstate, Central Arkansas, NJIT, and Alabama A&M.

Again, whether that's "good enough" for your purposes depends on your end goals. But keep in mind what those numbers actually mean.

If you can't get into an expensive MBA program, go for it, make it work, whatever you need to do. As FFT said, you'll make up the amount of money spent in no-time, considering the average starting salaries of those who go to "top" MBA programs.

I mean, OSU, Miami, Case, etc., are all great undergraduate programs in Ohio, and you really can't go wrong, but MBA, go as high as you can, as, in the business world, it really does make a difference.

In some fields, it isn't a terribly big deal, but as far as business goes, the "reputation" makes quite the difference.

sleeper wrote: Remember, if you aren't working for an Ohio State grad, you probably aren't working at all.

A little arrogant don't you think?

Sorry didn't mean to get off topic ...

LJ wrote: Your undergrad really only plays a part when it comes to business when you are looking at top tier MBA programs and/or going into I Banking. I mean, hell, we have had guys get into Harvard Law from Otterbein, but no one has ever gone to Wharton for a Finance Masters.

Law school admissions are a bit of a different animal because they largely only depend on GPA, LSAT, and skin color. Nothing else makes much of a difference, including quality of undergrad.

OSU is a good school but stop acting like it's prestigious or something. It isn't exactly hard to get into or anything.