jmog wrote:

fan_from_texas wrote:
Generally, I agree with this. I think intelligence sets an upper bound on success, but effort is the primary component. There are plenty of bright people who don't succeed, while there aren't many super hard-working people who are failures.

The hardest working moron can't be a doctor, but on the balance, I think effort probably lines up more with success than intelligence.

A much better version of what I was trying to say .

I was exaggerating to get my point across. Just trying to say that you can't judge someone by their IQ. Too many other things go into how a person succeeds in school and life than IQ.

How about also starting a spay and neuter program for low IQ's. so these idiots don't reproduce.

Strapping Young Lad wrote: I've got to give presentation on my personal stance on education in America. One aspect is who should be taught.

In regards to IQ, how low can it be before you know the student cannot handle college and then what do you teach the student with a low IQ???

This my first education class and i don't have any experience with this. Anyone have a clue???

You simply MUST end with this quote from Judge Smails: "Well, the world needs ditch diggers, too!"

general IQ is not a determining factor for whether or not a person can be a productive member of a society. There are many people with below average IQ's who make many positive contributions to society. In most cases they find a skill or a profession in which they have a high level of proficiency and go from there. The process for that person of finding what they are good at involves a great deal of trial and error, and a fairly large outlay of resources from the society. But that is worth it. The ultimate goal of any society should be to develop the people within their community to achieve a higher level of utility for the group. If you find a person below average intelligence but with an aptitude for being a mechanic it serves the societies well being to cultivate that skill because the initial out lay of resources to make that person a certified mechanic will be payed back in the form of the service that that mechanic provides over the duration of his or her working life.

Belly35 wrote: I don't need no stinking IQ

Effort, confidence, common sense, determination and ingenuity is what make an achiever

IQ only helps in grammar

Well you definitely need IQ then to survive college. Unless you go to one that doesn't believe in writing papers.

CinciX12 wrote:

Belly35 wrote: I don't need no stinking IQ

Effort, confidence, common sense, determination and ingenuity is what make an achiever

IQ only helps in grammar

Well you definitely need IQ then to survive college. Unless you go to one that doesn't believe in writing papers.

I got a paper back from my professor the other day that had a "Great Job!" sticker on it. Apparently college is now the equivalent of the fifth grade.

IQ doesn't exactly negate a kid's success in school. When kids are evaluated for a learning disability, etc. they take a series of tests which combine verbal, nonberbal, quantitative, and processing which gives you a comprehensive score. All of those things are looked at, especially if there is an outlier bringing the comp score up or down. If you are referring to somebody that has a cognitive disability (mentally retarded) then there would have to be a distinct discrepency between IQ (comp score) and adaptive skills (living skills basically).

To answer your question, I think college makes a whole new ball game. If they are paying tuition, they have every right to take whatever classes they want. Though I can't imagine many people going through the whole college process and paying all of that money considering that many students with cognitive disabilities have them to the extent that it costs the family a great deal of money throughout their lives.

I couldn't speak for a college curriculum because there are so many and they are all so different. As for middle school or high school, these kids are enrolled in resource classes or self-contained classrooms that teach functional skills like money, checking, shopping, budgeting, coupons, etc.

I Wear Pants wrote: Maybe it's something I pick up on but I can usually tell by the words and phrases people use (in addition to what they're actually saying but that's a given) what their general intelligence is. Exceptions do occur where very smart people speak like cavemen and average to dumb people speak eloquently but for the most part I think there is an observable difference.

Belly35 wrote: Maybe it's something I pick up on but I can usually tell by the words and phrases people use (in addition to what they're actually saying but that's a given) what their general intelligence is. Exceptions do occur where very smart people speak like cavemen and average to dumb people speak eloquently but for the most part I think there is an observable difference.

What the heck? :huh:

Whoa. Diabolical!

Should low IQ people get the same chance? What kind of a question is that? Of course they should get the same chance to achieve the limits of what they can and want to achieve. I've never seen an application for a position or school that demands an IQ test. I suppose some organizations like Mensa might require some sort of IQ test/screening a priori, and some tests for higher education positions demand a test that indirectly measures intelligence, but I can't imagine discriminating against people on that basis alone. Of course IQ may put a limit on what can be achieved, but there are a lot of other factors that will determine success....common sense being not the least of them.