Strapping Young Lad
Posts: 2,453
Feb 23, 2010 3:59pm
I've got to give presentation on my personal stance on education in America. One aspect is who should be taught.
In regards to IQ, how low can it be before you know the student cannot handle college and then what do you teach the student with a low IQ???
This my first education class and i don't have any experience with this. Anyone have a clue???
In regards to IQ, how low can it be before you know the student cannot handle college and then what do you teach the student with a low IQ???
This my first education class and i don't have any experience with this. Anyone have a clue???
just_a_swimmer
Posts: 674
Feb 23, 2010 4:03pm
And you are going to base your research off of what freehuddle posters have to offer? I would think to substantiate your topic you may want to think about doing legitimate research on the topic. Then again maybe not :huh:
OneBuckeye
Posts: 5,888
Feb 23, 2010 4:04pm
I dunno but effort defines 99% of success not intelligence... JMO.
Strapping Young Lad
Posts: 2,453
Feb 23, 2010 4:05pm
There are teachers here. Talking to people with experience in the field will be my research.
ytownfootball
Posts: 6,978
Feb 23, 2010 4:08pm
I dunno, I'm thinking your antagonistic approach to posting on here may limit the help you receive.
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fan_from_texas
Posts: 2,693
Feb 23, 2010 4:10pm
Generally, I agree with this. I think intelligence sets an upper bound on success, but effort is the primary component. There are plenty of bright people who don't succeed, while there aren't many super hard-working people who are failures.OneBuckeye wrote: I dunno but effort defines 99% of success not intelligence... JMO.
The hardest working moron can't be a doctor, but on the balance, I think effort probably lines up more with success than intelligence.
Strapping Young Lad
Posts: 2,453
Feb 23, 2010 4:14pm
This isn't make or break for me. If you don't want to offer an opinion then piss off. How's that for antagonistic.....ytownfootball wrote: I dunno, I'm thinking your antagonistic approach to posting on here may limit the help you receive.
ytownfootball
Posts: 6,978
Feb 23, 2010 4:19pm
That's great. Keep up the good work.
j_crazy
Posts: 8,372
Feb 23, 2010 4:38pm
Considering 90% of the people I graduated with (including myself) never took an IQ test, I'd have trouble building an argument either way.
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
Feb 23, 2010 4:49pm
I would go effort is a majority, but not even close to 99%.OneBuckeye wrote: I dunno but effort defines 99% of success not intelligence... JMO.
No matter how much effort you put in, you can't be a moron and succeed in MANY fields.
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
Feb 23, 2010 4:50pm
A much better version of what I was trying to sayfan_from_texas wrote:
Generally, I agree with this. I think intelligence sets an upper bound on success, but effort is the primary component. There are plenty of bright people who don't succeed, while there aren't many super hard-working people who are failures.
The hardest working moron can't be a doctor, but on the balance, I think effort probably lines up more with success than intelligence.
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superman
Posts: 3,582
Feb 23, 2010 4:50pm
I think people who are not "cut out" for college should be taught basic life skills.
Balancing a check book
opening bank accounts
Following a recipe
reading and paying utility bills
Counting change
Things that will help them survive in the real world.
Balancing a check book
opening bank accounts
Following a recipe
reading and paying utility bills
Counting change
Things that will help them survive in the real world.
Strapping Young Lad
Posts: 2,453
Feb 23, 2010 5:19pm
Yeah, I think that's pretty much what goes on now, at least in the high schools I've been in....superman wrote: I think people who are not "cut out" for college should be taught basic life skills.
Balancing a check book
opening bank accounts
Following a recipe
reading and paying utility bills
Counting change
Things that will help them survive in the real world.
redstreak one
Posts: 1,152
Feb 23, 2010 6:54pm
Everyone can be taught something. Our resources shouldnt be wasted, but we as a country must try and educate everyone who wants it. Theres your sticky point IMO.
I dont want to see a world where children are assessed at a young age then pigeon holed into that category, a class system if you will. Nor do I want to see millions of dollars wasted on testing certain students who couldnt pass it with help.
I dont want to see a world where children are assessed at a young age then pigeon holed into that category, a class system if you will. Nor do I want to see millions of dollars wasted on testing certain students who couldnt pass it with help.
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Feb 23, 2010 7:47pm
I have mixed feelings on the subject. On one hand I think that everyone that wants to learn should have that opportunity but on the other hand there are some students in the classes I'm in that have no business being in any sort of academic setting. I think perhaps there should be a sort of evaluation of students like there is for professors (beyond just GPA because 1/2 of kids would get booted first semester based on GPA) but the 1/3 of people who talk during class, text, start putting their stuff in their backpack 15 minutes before class is over, don't contribute to conversations, etc I feel should at some point be removed or placed in remedial courses. Unless they are paying out of pocket/without aid because then they can waste however much time/money they want to.
Belly35
Posts: 9,716
Feb 23, 2010 8:05pm
I don't need no stinking IQ
Effort, confidence, common sense, determination and ingenuity is what make an achiever
IQ only helps in grammar
Effort, confidence, common sense, determination and ingenuity is what make an achiever
IQ only helps in grammar
ernest_t_bass
Posts: 24,984
Feb 23, 2010 8:09pm
I was eager to share my opinion until I read this.Strapping Young Lad wrote: This isn't make or break for me. If you don't want to offer an opinion then piss off. How's that for antagonistic.....
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Feb 23, 2010 9:13pm
All of the above things are vitally important, but you can't tell when you're speaking to a very intelligent person or a person with less than average intelligence?Belly35 wrote: I don't need no stinking IQ
Effort, confidence, common sense, determination and ingenuity is what make an achiever
IQ only helps in grammar
Maybe it's something I pick up on but I can usually tell by the words and phrases people use (in addition to what they're actually saying but that's a given) what their general intelligence is. Exceptions do occur where very smart people speak like cavemen and average to dumb people speak eloquently but for the most part I think there is an observable difference.
Strapping Young Lad
Posts: 2,453
Feb 23, 2010 11:13pm
Don't care. Ytown is probably pissed b/c I rag on Lebron James or something very close to that. Therefore I'm antagonistic in every sense.ernest_t_bass wrote:I was eager to share my opinion until I read this.Strapping Young Lad wrote: This isn't make or break for me. If you don't want to offer an opinion then piss off. How's that for antagonistic.....
If you don't want to share a conversation with someone b/c they don't share the same zeal for your little poster-boy, don't have the same religious views, or don't belong to your political party then your input isn't worth a shit anyhow.....
I can more than guarantee the reason Ytown is sure I won't find anyone to converse with me is probably the first reason but surely one of the three. In that case, well you know the rest.
ytownfootball
Posts: 6,978
Feb 23, 2010 11:22pm
Were you worth the time, I could find plenty of posts that have zero to do with LeBron James that I would cite as reasons why I wouldn't help you even if I felt I was qualified to answer the question. I could give two shits about what you think of an NBA basketball player.
You can more than gaurantee...
Better shine up that crystal ball chief, it's gettin' a little cloudy.
You can more than gaurantee...
Better shine up that crystal ball chief, it's gettin' a little cloudy.
Strapping Young Lad
Posts: 2,453
Feb 23, 2010 11:29pm
Add another one to the list: Suck my balls.....
ytownfootball
Posts: 6,978
Feb 23, 2010 11:34pm
Strapping Young Lad wrote: Add another one to the list: Suck my balls.....
Case in point. You simply are too damn juvenile to conduct any type of rational conversation with. You lack basic communication skill possesed by third graders. Any difference in opine is a call to the four letter word list compiled by those who still ride yellow busses home in the afternoon.
You're a joke.
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Sonofanump
Feb 24, 2010 9:01am
Get my food order correctsuperman wrote: I think people who are not "cut out" for college should be taught basic life skills.
Balancing a check book
opening bank accounts
Following a recipe
reading and paying utility bills
Counting change
Things that will help them survive in the real world.
Belly35
Posts: 9,716
Feb 24, 2010 10:18am
Maybe it's something I pick up on but I can usually tell by the words and phrases people use (in addition to what they're actually saying but that's a given) what their general intelligence is. Exceptions do occur where very smart people speak like cavemen and average to dumb people speak eloquently but for the most part I think there is an observable difference.Strapping Young Lad wrote: Add another one to the list: Suck my balls.....
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fan_from_texas
Posts: 2,693
Feb 24, 2010 10:24am
I agree. Most smart people I know talk like smart people, and most dumb people I know talk like dumb people.I Wear Pants wrote: All of the above things are vitally important, but you can't tell when you're speaking to a very intelligent person or a person with less than average intelligence?
Maybe it's something I pick up on but I can usually tell by the words and phrases people use (in addition to what they're actually saying but that's a given) what their general intelligence is. Exceptions do occur where very smart people speak like cavemen and average to dumb people speak eloquently but for the most part I think there is an observable difference.