Big Red turns down ECOL invite

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May 19, 2010 9:35 PM
bridgeport2001 wrote: I listened 2 bloomdaddy and he said there are some board members that said there is more sports here then football and dont think its very smart 4 all these sports 2 traval that far,And a with draw letter has been sent out.BLOOMDADDY hopes 2 have more on this tomarrow.
Yes, there are more sports than just football. But don't you think the administrators would have thought about that before they applied?

No matter how this works out, I think it makes Big Red look bad. After all, we did apply for membership and we were accepted. True, the circumstances of our acceptance were not the best, but the fact remains that the majority of schools did accept us.

It does piss me off that people who are not part of the Big Red family are making nasty comments. They need to get their house in order before they criticize us.
May 19, 2010 9:35pm
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May 19, 2010 9:48 PM
FairwoodKing wrote: It does piss me off that people who are not part of the Big Red family are making nasty comments. They need to get their house in order before they criticize us.
What's going on with other people and their schools doesn't change the fact that Big Red looks sort of silly here.
May 19, 2010 9:48pm
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May 19, 2010 10:08 PM
ts1227 wrote:
FairwoodKing wrote: It does piss me off that people who are not part of the Big Red family are making nasty comments. They need to get their house in order before they criticize us.
What's going on with other people and their schools doesn't change the fact that Big Red looks sort of silly here.
Agreed.

What I would like to know is how hard it has been to schedule games for the sports other than football? It seem to me that we have done quite well just with the teams from the OVAC. We don't have to schedule games with teams from New York for boys' basketball or girls' volleyball. I still think that the whole issue of the ECOL comes down to football and that Reno was the deciding vote to join and then not to join.
May 19, 2010 10:08pm
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May 19, 2010 10:50 PM
Egg on Face, welcome to the Steubenville Big Red. Classic example how to educate your students on how to fully research anything before you make an educated decision!! Oh wait....................
May 19, 2010 10:50pm
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May 19, 2010 11:12 PM
The other sports at big red would take a beating if they played in the league so that may have something to do with it and the football schedule would be tougher with some of the teams they would play.The paper makes it sound like the league approached big red and they turned them down but big red approached them and then said no after the were voted into the league.Would they have said yes to them if they could play in the white division with the weaker teams and not the black division with the big boys?
May 19, 2010 11:12pm
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May 19, 2010 11:24 PM
september63 wrote: Egg on Face, welcome to the Steubenville Big Red. Classic example how to educate your students on how to fully research anything before you make an educated decision!! Oh wait....................
You're an idiot. Research had nothing to do with it. I still think the issue was the two no votes from Cambridge and Marietta. Why should we play teams who don't want to play us?
May 19, 2010 11:24pm
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May 19, 2010 11:28 PM
homefield wrote: The other sports at big red would take a beating if they played in the league so that may have something to do with it and the football schedule would be tougher with some of the teams they would play.The paper makes it sound like the league approached big red and they turned them down but big red approached them and then said no after the were voted into the league.Would they have said yes to them if they could play in the white division with the weaker teams and not the black division with the big boys?
This conference would weaken our football schedule. This year we are not only playing at Massillon (and there's still the issue that Dover canceled a contract with Massillon after they got beat) but we are playing three teams that played in their respective state championship game last year. Inkster proved they were better than any team in the ECOL last year when they beat us and we beat Dover by two touchdowns.

The more I think about it, the happier I am that we turned them down. I just hope the Channel 9 guy was wrong and that this is actually a done deal. I don't want to see us play Marietta and Cambridge.
May 19, 2010 11:28pm
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May 19, 2010 11:36 PM
FairwoodKing wrote:
september63 wrote: Egg on Face, welcome to the Steubenville Big Red. Classic example how to educate your students on how to fully research anything before you make an educated decision!! Oh wait....................
You're an idiot. Research had nothing to do with it. I still think the issue was the two no votes from Cambridge and Marietta. Why should we play teams who don't want to play us?
Egg on Face meet Reno!! Did I not see him on TV 9 saying why he was happy to play in the ECOL? You were voted in, and accepted it. Once again, another low class move by Big Red!! Not that many ppl are even surprised anymore at your level of arrogance!!
May 19, 2010 11:36pm
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May 19, 2010 11:40 PM
FairwoodKing wrote:
homefield wrote: The other sports at big red would take a beating if they played in the league so that may have something to do with it and the football schedule would be tougher with some of the teams they would play.The paper makes it sound like the league approached big red and they turned them down but big red approached them and then said no after the were voted into the league.Would they have said yes to them if they could play in the white division with the weaker teams and not the black division with the big boys?
This conference would weaken our football schedule. This year we are not only playing at Massillon (and there's still the issue that Dover canceled a contract with Massillon after they got beat) but we are playing three teams that played in their respective state championship game last year. Inkster proved they were better than any team in the ECOL last year when they beat us and we beat Dover by two touchdowns.

The more I think about it, the happier I am that we turned them down. I just hope the Channel 9 guy was wrong and that this is actually a done deal. I don't want to see us play Marietta and Cambridge.
I think you could drop the Washington DC and the New York teams and Brooke was a 1 yr fluke and will not compete with Big Red this year so you would have a tougher schedule by joining the league.I think Massillon is a great game for Big Red but the Inkster team will not be anything like they were last year and Big Red will whip them by 3 or 4 touchdowns this year.
May 19, 2010 11:40pm
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May 19, 2010 11:44 PM
I'm interested in hearing the "official" reason for backing out.
I have read the speculation from some posters but these issues were known prior to applying.
I was looking forward to this league. Football would be in favor of Big Red for at least a while but all the other sports would have been very competitive. IMO

I agree with FWK that this looks bad on Big Red.
May 19, 2010 11:44pm
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May 20, 2010 12:01 AM
homefield wrote:
FairwoodKing wrote:
homefield wrote: The other sports at big red would take a beating if they played in the league so that may have something to do with it and the football schedule would be tougher with some of the teams they would play.The paper makes it sound like the league approached big red and they turned them down but big red approached them and then said no after the were voted into the league.Would they have said yes to them if they could play in the white division with the weaker teams and not the black division with the big boys?
This conference would weaken our football schedule. This year we are not only playing at Massillon (and there's still the issue that Dover canceled a contract with Massillon after they got beat) but we are playing three teams that played in their respective state championship game last year. Inkster proved they were better than any team in the ECOL last year when they beat us and we beat Dover by two touchdowns.

The more I think about it, the happier I am that we turned them down. I just hope the Channel 9 guy was wrong and that this is actually a done deal. I don't want to see us play Marietta and Cambridge.
I think you could drop the Washington DC and the New York teams and Brooke was a 1 yr fluke and will not compete with Big Red this year so you would have a tougher schedule by joining the league.I think Massillon is a great game for Big Red but the Inkster team will not be anything like they were last year and Big Red will whip them by 3 or 4 touchdowns this year.
Inkster is like Glenville and Iggy. They "recruit" from all over the Detroit area just as the other two get the Cleveland talent. Inkster reloads every year.

As far as Brooke is concerned, Big Red would have beaten them last year just as we are likely to beat them this year. But they are still the defending state runner-up and they have to have something. They will give us a tougher game this year than Marietta or Cambridge would have given us.

Don't forget Ursuline. They are the 2-time defending state champ. No one in the ECOL can approach them.

As far as the New York teams are concerned, they are sometimes very tough. In 2005 St. Joe's was picked as the best team in New York despite their loss to us.
May 20, 2010 12:01am
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May 20, 2010 12:52 AM
There is more here to this story than meets the eye. I don't know why the school turned down the invitation, and I assume we will never know. I'm only sure of one thing-- they had a reason for doing it.
May 20, 2010 12:52am
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May 20, 2010 2:06 AM
Would have meant to many road games.
May 20, 2010 2:06am
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May 20, 2010 5:25 AM
Darkon wrote: I'm interested in hearing the "official" reason for backing out.
I have read the speculation from some posters but these issues were known prior to applying.
I was looking forward to this league. Football would be in favor of Big Red for at least a while but all the other sports would have been very competitive. IMO

I agree with FWK that this looks bad on Big Red.
Don't hold your breath. You will NEVER here the official reason why Big Red decided to back out. Other than football, Big Red would have struggled in the rest of the sports anyway. Most people know that already. Right or wrong, Big Red did what was best for Big Red.
May 20, 2010 5:25am
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May 20, 2010 9:10 AM
We would have been fine in baseball and wrestling....basketball would have stuggled...dont know about track..and the soccer progam has been on the rise.

Overall the OVAC is better than the ECOL in all the non football sports anyways, so we might as well stick with playing the OVAC teams.
May 20, 2010 9:10am
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May 20, 2010 11:13 AM
ManO'War wrote: We would have been fine in baseball and wrestling....basketball would have stuggled...dont know about track..and the soccer progam has been on the rise.

Overall the OVAC is better than the ECOL in all the non football sports anyways, so we might as well stick with playing the OVAC teams.
The only sport Big Red would be able to compete is wrestling and that is not a sure thing either.Baseball would take a beating but we will never know because Big Red backed out because they don't like to compete with teams that may beat them.We listen to all the Big Red fans talk about how much of a joke the OVAC is and now you are telling us that it is better than the ECOL.Maybe they can join the Buckeye 8 when things get real tough.
May 20, 2010 11:13am
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May 20, 2010 12:21 PM
Take a beating in baseball?? Big Red is number 2 in the state alltime in baseball and always fields good teams.

The baseball program has been state runnerups 3 times and have been to the state tournament a few other times.
May 20, 2010 12:21pm
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May 20, 2010 12:22 PM
The OVAC is a joke for football, but still better than the ECOL.
May 20, 2010 12:22pm
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May 20, 2010 12:57 PM
I'm confused. If the ECOL is worse than the OVAC why did they agree to join it?
May 20, 2010 12:57pm
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May 20, 2010 1:57 PM
The Equalizer wrote: I'm confused. If the ECOL is worse than the OVAC why did they agree to join it?
Stay tuned the story changes every minute. Like I said Here come the excuses
May 20, 2010 1:57pm
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May 20, 2010 4:06 PM
That's my opinion...i don't speak for the school, and I wouldn't have agreed to join that league in the first place.


How great of a league can it be when Dover beats everyone in the league by 4 to 6 TDs every week???
May 20, 2010 4:06pm
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May 20, 2010 4:12 PM
Camoman wrote:
The Equalizer wrote: I'm confused. If the ECOL is worse than the OVAC why did they agree to join it?
Stay tuned the story changes every minute. Like I said Here come the excuses
There won't be any excuses. I doubt if the school will say anything.
May 20, 2010 4:12pm
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May 20, 2010 4:14 PM
ManO'War wrote: How great of a league can it be when Dover beats everyone in the league by 4 to 6 TDs every week???
Sounds like the OVAC, except their schools actually play each other
May 20, 2010 4:14pm
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May 20, 2010 4:21 PM
So:

a) something changed in the last couple days/weeks enough that Reno changed his mind

or

b) almost unbelievably, everyone else involved in sports ganged together and told him no.

either choice would be a hell of a story.
May 20, 2010 4:21pm
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May 20, 2010 4:34 PM
My guess... Enough people were upset that a few schools voted no, so they acted like a school girl getting felt up at the drive in for the first time... and said we will not join the league if everyone does not want us."

Too bad, I think it would have been interesting as a whole (all the sports)
May 20, 2010 4:34pm