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fvwrestler2001

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Feb 21, 2010 8:45 PM
I wasnt incenuating that size is the only factor. However, if you take any statistics class you know that the larger your population size the more true a rule of thumb would hold true. Bigger schools are usually better than smaller schools. Its obviously not a cut and dry, I was simply saying I thought the GMC did a nice job hanging with some schools that are a little bigger.
Feb 21, 2010 8:45pm
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merv

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174 posts
Feb 21, 2010 9:26 PM
The GMC coach's threw there weight around at the seeding meeting. They went in with numbers and got the seeds they wanted. But after all was said and done, the NWOAL wrestlers showed the coach's how the seeds should've went. Kern and Cowell not being seeded #1 was laughable. Oh well, just shows how smart the GMC coach's were.
Feb 21, 2010 9:26pm
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deuceOSU78

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Feb 21, 2010 9:32 PM
fvwrestler2001 wrote: I wasnt incenuating that size is the only factor. However, if you take any statistics class you know that the larger your population size the more true a rule of thumb would hold true. Bigger schools are usually better than smaller schools. Its obviously not a cut and dry, I was simply saying I thought the GMC did a nice job hanging with some schools that are a little bigger.
I wasn't insinuating anything either - the GMC always has some nice wrestlers and although Ayersville had the team strength to stay in the top 5, it looks like Hicksville and Edgerton might have a larger impact at Districts and State. It may be awhile before Tinora returns to their recent success, but changing coaches 2 or 3 times hurt.
Feb 21, 2010 9:32pm
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Wrestler88

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Feb 22, 2010 11:48 AM
merv wrote: The GMC coach's threw there weight around at the seeding meeting. They went in with numbers and got the seeds they wanted. But after all was said and done, the NWOAL wrestlers showed the coach's how the seeds should've went. Kern and Cowell not being seeded #1 was laughable. Oh well, just shows how smart the GMC coach's were.
Well, Cowell was obviously not seeded for a reason. That being, his coach decided to not seed him. Get some facts before you start ranting : )... thx
Feb 22, 2010 11:48am
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fvwrestler2001

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Feb 22, 2010 12:16 PM
Wrestler88 wrote:
merv wrote: The GMC coach's threw there weight around at the seeding meeting. They went in with numbers and got the seeds they wanted. But after all was said and done, the NWOAL wrestlers showed the coach's how the seeds should've went. Kern and Cowell not being seeded #1 was laughable. Oh well, just shows how smart the GMC coach's were.
Well, Cowell was obviously not seeded for a reason. That being, his coach decided to not seed him. Get some facts before you start ranting : )... thx
also i know kern was a state qualifier, but the edgerton kid is no slouch. i dont think that it is absurd for him to be seeded above kern. i think we would all agree it would be a close match and before the tournament they did have a common opponent in Miller of defiance. Miller beats edg kid by 2 and kern by 5, so I can see how the edg kid would get some votes
Feb 22, 2010 12:16pm
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RED43

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Feb 22, 2010 12:27 PM
fvwrestler2001 wrote:
Wrestler88 wrote:
merv wrote: The GMC coach's threw there weight around at the seeding meeting. They went in with numbers and got the seeds they wanted. But after all was said and done, the NWOAL wrestlers showed the coach's how the seeds should've went. Kern and Cowell not being seeded #1 was laughable. Oh well, just shows how smart the GMC coach's were.
Well, Cowell was obviously not seeded for a reason. That being, his coach decided to not seed him. Get some facts before you start ranting : )... thx
also i know kern was a state qualifier, but the edgerton kid is no slouch. i dont think that it is absurd for him to be seeded above kern. i think we would all agree it would be a close match and before the tournament they did have a common opponent in Miller of defiance. Miller beats edg kid by 2 and kern by 5, so I can see how the edg kid would get some votes
End results 1 2 3 4 just like seeding should have been. Kern scored on Miller. It's over let it be.
Feb 22, 2010 12:27pm
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TC_alliance

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Feb 22, 2010 12:40 PM
Wrestler88 wrote:
merv wrote: The GMC coach's threw there weight around at the seeding meeting. They went in with numbers and got the seeds they wanted. But after all was said and done, the NWOAL wrestlers showed the coach's how the seeds should've went. Kern and Cowell not being seeded #1 was laughable. Oh well, just shows how smart the GMC coach's were.
Well, Cowell was obviously not seeded for a reason. That being, his coach decided to not seed him. Get some facts before you start ranting : )... thx
Kern however was seeded second for a reason. I can’t think it was anything other than a show of power. When you have two wrestlers with losses, and no head to head meeting HOW do you rationalize seeding the elder, RETURNING CHAMPION, under a freshman?
Is the freshman good? Oh yeah, very, no argument here.
My point is this: If your intent was to rub the coaches' nose in it, I have no problem with that, their grown men and can take it. But the message appeared to be “We know you’re the champion kid, but you’re gonna have to earn your title back, because we have a kid who is pretty good.” Not a lot of respect for a kid who deserved it…
Feb 22, 2010 12:40pm
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fvwrestler2001

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Feb 22, 2010 12:54 PM
not everyone is out to "get" someone. maybe they thought this kid is bettter. should a freshman not get votes b/c he is a freshman if someone looks at results and says i truely think this kid might be slightly better.
Feb 22, 2010 12:54pm
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merv

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Feb 22, 2010 1:00 PM
Wrestler88 wrote:
merv wrote: The GMC coach's threw there weight around at the seeding meeting. They went in with numbers and got the seeds they wanted. But after all was said and done, the NWOAL wrestlers showed the coach's how the seeds should've went. Kern and Cowell not being seeded #1 was laughable. Oh well, just shows how smart the GMC coach's were.
Well, Cowell was obviously not seeded for a reason. That being, his coach decided to not seed him. Get some facts before you start ranting : )... thx
I do have facts. Yes his coach decided not to challenge for a seed, after the GMC coach's voted the Hicksville kid #1. Why bother with seeds when you know your kid will tech. or pin his way through the tournament?
Feb 22, 2010 1:00pm
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usher460

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Feb 22, 2010 3:23 PM
It would be interesting to see a dual meet between the individual league champs from the NWOAL and the GMC.
Feb 22, 2010 3:23pm
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sabre34

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Feb 22, 2010 6:45 PM
would be terrible domination by nwoal i'm afraid
Feb 22, 2010 6:45pm
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Rolly67

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Feb 22, 2010 10:47 PM
i only see the GMC winning about 3 matches
Feb 22, 2010 10:47pm
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fvwrestler2001

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Feb 23, 2010 6:27 AM
you guys are horrible
its like your proud your eighth grade kid cant beat up the little 4th grader on the playground
NWOAL schools are much larger and have more teams, of course they should win.
Feb 23, 2010 6:27am
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texasbuckeye

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Feb 23, 2010 7:22 AM
fvwrestler2001 wrote: you guys are horrible
its like your proud your eighth grade kid cant beat up the little 4th grader on the playground
NWOAL schools are much larger and have more teams, of course they should win.
I don't agree with this at all. Wrestling isn't always about how big your school is. The school that I wrestled for and coached at consistenly beats bigger schools. They still do to this day. It doesn't always matter how big your school is. Even the baseball and softball programs at this school take on bigger programs and beat them, it is possible.
Feb 23, 2010 7:22am
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green-d

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Feb 23, 2010 12:40 PM
"you guys are horrible
its like your proud your eighth grade kid cant beat up the little 4th grader on the playground
NWOAL schools are much larger and have more teams, of course they should win. "

Did you see the enrollment figures?
Paulding - 204
Delta - 166
Liberty Center - 159
Archbold - 157
Tinora - 137
Fairview - 132
Hicksville - 130
Montpelier - 127
Edgerton - 103
Ayersville - 92
Stryker - 63

If you were right Paulding should have killed everyone.

BTW Delta wrestled Edgerton and Paulding in a dual and beat both with ease with a lot of back up wrestlers, and Delta was only 6th at their league tournament.
Take a look at some of the NWOAL schools schedule and you will see why they are so tough.
Feb 23, 2010 12:40pm
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deuceOSU78

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Feb 23, 2010 5:41 PM
Consider these enrollment figures:

Monroeville - 99
Troy Christian - 92
SMCC - 77

Maybe I'm not comparing apples to apples (SMCC/Troy=Christian=recruiting?), but size does not always matter.
Feb 23, 2010 5:41pm
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fvwrestler2001

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Feb 23, 2010 5:52 PM
there is always the possibility of smaller schools beating larger schools one on one but if you are looking at a whole league thats like saying take the top 8 teams from d1 and place them against the top 8 teams in d3. of course d1 would win

im not disagreeing that the NWOAL is stronger but you are comparing yourself to an overall smaller league.
Feb 23, 2010 5:52pm
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RED43

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Feb 23, 2010 7:32 PM
fvwrestler2001 wrote: there is always the possibility of smaller schools beating larger schools one on one but if you are looking at a whole league thats like saying take the top 8 teams from d1 and place them against the top 8 teams in d3. of course d1 would win

im not disagreeing that the NWOAL is stronger but you are comparing yourself to an overall smaller league.
So admitt that at seeding
Feb 23, 2010 7:32pm
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devik64

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Feb 23, 2010 8:43 PM
It was stated on a earlier post that cowell did not get seeded for obvious reasons. I know in my opinion a 16 year old kid should not take the hit for what a group of grown men tried to pull off.
Feb 23, 2010 8:43pm
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visquest

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Feb 23, 2010 8:52 PM
I agree.
devik64 wrote: It was stated on a earlier post that cowell did not get seeded for obvious reasons. I know in my opinion a 16 year old kid should not take the hit for what a group of grown men tried to pull off.
Feb 23, 2010 8:52pm
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green-d

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Feb 23, 2010 9:19 PM
RED43 is so right.

If all of you that say the NWOAL teams should win because they are bigger just adds to the point that the seeding for sectionals was wrong.
Feb 23, 2010 9:19pm
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yupitsme

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24 posts
Feb 24, 2010 9:17 AM
hmmm arent the four schools that wrestled at archbold the smaller schools of the nwoal? the nwoal may be bigger than gmc, but its fair and thats why there are divisions. as for seeding, let them keep screwing the kids. it works out in the end anyways and the coaches walking around after there kids get beat in the quarters and semi's, by our 2nd and 3rd place kids look pretty silly. not only are they not at the nwoals level, they wrestle a very, very weak schedule overall and it shows at sectionals. Having said all that, they absolutely have some studs in that league and i wish them well this weekend and hope both leagues represent our sectional well.
Feb 24, 2010 9:17am
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Con_Alma

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12,198 posts
Feb 24, 2010 9:52 AM
merv wrote: The GMC coach's threw there weight around at the seeding meeting. They went in with numbers and got the seeds they wanted. But after all was said and done, the NWOAL wrestlers showed the coach's how the seeds should've went. Kern and Cowell not being seeded #1 was laughable. Oh well, just shows how smart the GMC coach's were.

One of the problems that I think needs to be fixed is a standardized seeding criteria for all Sectionals and all Divisions.
Feb 24, 2010 9:52am
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yupitsme

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Feb 24, 2010 11:26 AM
Con Alma, could you explain the criteria for me? i know just a little bit. When does "coaches vote" come into play?
Feb 24, 2010 11:26am
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Con_Alma

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Feb 24, 2010 11:32 AM
uhhhh, there isn't a defined criteria. It's different for each sectional. That's the problem. I know in the NE there's no Coaches' vote at all. It's based on predetermined accomplishments including State,District/Sectional champ/place/qualifier and record.

My point is that this process should be defined clearly and consistently for all Sectionals.
Feb 24, 2010 11:32am