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rock_knutne
Apr 9, 2010 11:53am
Wrong! I would never try to compare an NFL title to a Super Bowl, the two are not even close. Good for Cleveland and those titles, that's the way it worked back then but the Super Bowl is MUCH harder to win..........there's more teams and the talent is undoubtedly better in the Super Bowl era, plus the salary cap makes it even more difficult today. You should be proud of those titles but don't try to compare them to six Lombardi Trophies because they don't even come close!Pick6 wrote:fair enough. I guarantee if the steelers would have won 5 nfl championships some of the fans like rock and al would be pounding their chest and say that it mattered. Also note that when the browns won the aafc championships, nobody in the nfl would play them.
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rock_knutne
Apr 9, 2010 12:01pm
karen lotz wrote: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/columns/story?columnist=schlabach_mark&id=5062143
Not a bad read about Kelly changing attitudes and getting them to buy into his way of doing things.
Good read!
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
Apr 10, 2010 1:53pm
blah blah blah..i'll just respond because i like to argue with you. If you want it that way, then notre dame has 0 championships. Because anything before the bcs was a joke because the champion was selected, instead of actually playing in a championship game. Plus, todays talent is much better than what notre dame was playing in the 30s.rock_knutne wrote:Wrong! I would never try to compare an NFL title to a Super Bowl, the two are not even close. Good for Cleveland and those titles, that's the way it worked back then but the Super Bowl is MUCH harder to win..........there's more teams and the talent is undoubtedly better in the Super Bowl era, plus the salary cap makes it even more difficult today. You should be proud of those titles but don't try to compare them to six Lombardi Trophies because they don't even come close!Pick6 wrote:fair enough. I guarantee if the steelers would have won 5 nfl championships some of the fans like rock and al would be pounding their chest and say that it mattered. Also note that when the browns won the aafc championships, nobody in the nfl would play them.
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
Apr 10, 2010 2:05pm
btw ewok..
this is exactly what i meant about the double standard. rock claims that nfl championships of that time are worthless, yet somehow the ncaa championships will still be equivalent or even greater than what they are today.
btw: i really think a championship= a championship no matter what time period...i was just using rock's logic to prove how stupid he is.
this is exactly what i meant about the double standard. rock claims that nfl championships of that time are worthless, yet somehow the ncaa championships will still be equivalent or even greater than what they are today.
btw: i really think a championship= a championship no matter what time period...i was just using rock's logic to prove how stupid he is.
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Mr Pat
Posts: 519
Apr 10, 2010 2:22pm
The 30's is a far cry from 1989... And actually if you want to put your way, there has never been an actual NCAA champion, because the teams are selected by people and computers as to who plays. Nevermind in 1989 ND's last championship it was against the #1 and #2 team.Pick6 wrote:blah blah blah..i'll just respond because i like to argue with you. If you want it that way, then notre dame has 0 championships. Because anything before the bcs was a joke because the champion was selected, instead of actually playing in a championship game. Plus, todays talent is much better than what notre dame was playing in the 30s.rock_knutne wrote:Wrong! I would never try to compare an NFL title to a Super Bowl, the two are not even close. Good for Cleveland and those titles, that's the way it worked back then but the Super Bowl is MUCH harder to win..........there's more teams and the talent is undoubtedly better in the Super Bowl era, plus the salary cap makes it even more difficult today. You should be proud of those titles but don't try to compare them to six Lombardi Trophies because they don't even come close!Pick6 wrote:fair enough. I guarantee if the steelers would have won 5 nfl championships some of the fans like rock and al would be pounding their chest and say that it mattered. Also note that when the browns won the aafc championships, nobody in the nfl would play them.
killer_ewok
Posts: 11,379
Apr 10, 2010 2:27pm
And I think that is all that anyone can really ask for.....CONSISTENCY. People can't have it both ways. Whether they're an ND or OSU fan or a Steelers or Browns fan.Pick6 wrote: btw ewok..
this is exactly what i meant about the double standard. rock claims that nfl championships of that time are worthless, yet somehow the ncaa championships will still be equivalent or even greater than what they are today.
btw: i really think a championship= a championship no matter what time period...i was just using rock's logic to prove how stupid he is.
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
Apr 10, 2010 2:41pm
like i said, thats not really my opinion, just using rocks logic. i think all of notre dames championships= championshipsMr Pat wrote:The 30's is a far cry from 1989... And actually if you want to put your way, there has never been an actual NCAA champion, because the teams are selected by people and computers as to who plays. Nevermind in 1989 ND's last championship it was against the #1 and #2 team.Pick6 wrote:blah blah blah..i'll just respond because i like to argue with you. If you want it that way, then notre dame has 0 championships. Because anything before the bcs was a joke because the champion was selected, instead of actually playing in a championship game. Plus, todays talent is much better than what notre dame was playing in the 30s.rock_knutne wrote:Wrong! I would never try to compare an NFL title to a Super Bowl, the two are not even close. Good for Cleveland and those titles, that's the way it worked back then but the Super Bowl is MUCH harder to win..........there's more teams and the talent is undoubtedly better in the Super Bowl era, plus the salary cap makes it even more difficult today. You should be proud of those titles but don't try to compare them to six Lombardi Trophies because they don't even come close!Pick6 wrote:fair enough. I guarantee if the steelers would have won 5 nfl championships some of the fans like rock and al would be pounding their chest and say that it mattered. Also note that when the browns won the aafc championships, nobody in the nfl would play them.
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Mr Pat
Posts: 519
Apr 10, 2010 3:07pm
Fair enough, good sir!
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rock_knutne
Apr 10, 2010 11:19pm
Where did I post that? Speaking of someone who's stupid, you obviously struggle with reading comprehension. I love it when people like you make shit up or put words in to someone's mouth to support your argument, that's STUPID.Pick6 wrote: btw ewok..
this is exactly what i meant about the double standard. rock claims that nfl championships of that time are worthless, yet somehow the ncaa championships will still be equivalent or even greater than what they are today.
btw: i really think a championship= a championship no matter what time period...i was just using rock's logic to prove how stupid he is.
Worthless, no but those titles are not the equal. That's how it was back then and good for Cleveland, but there's NO WAY in hell that an NFL title can be compared to a Super Bowl, no way!
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rock_knutne
Apr 10, 2010 11:25pm
Your logic can be seen as flawed too. Wasn't there a split title several years ago with USC finishing #1 in the final poll yet they didn't win the BCS title game?Pick6 wrote: blah blah blah..i'll just respond because i like to argue with you. If you want it that way, then notre dame has 0 championships. Because anything before the bcs was a joke because the champion was selected, instead of actually playing in a championship game. Plus, todays talent is much better than what notre dame was playing in the 30s.
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
Apr 11, 2010 9:10am
my opinion is the only way to really find a "true" champion is by having a playoff. I said that just to use your logic of how anything pre super bowl era is no where near equivalent to the super bowl era. Which, imo, it is equal.rock_knutne wrote:Your logic can be seen as flawed too. Wasn't there a split title several years ago with USC finishing #1 in the final poll yet they didn't win the BCS title game?Pick6 wrote: blah blah blah..i'll just respond because i like to argue with you. If you want it that way, then notre dame has 0 championships. Because anything before the bcs was a joke because the champion was selected, instead of actually playing in a championship game. Plus, todays talent is much better than what notre dame was playing in the 30s.
CinciX12
Posts: 2,874
Apr 14, 2010 7:07pm
I'm not sure what the ESPN article did more for me, piss me off more at Charlie Weis or be excited for Brian Kelly?
I'll go with be excited for Brian Kelly.
I'll go with be excited for Brian Kelly.
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rock_knutne
Apr 15, 2010 11:40am
Being a stupid asshole? You would know.vball10set wrote: Pick6--it's so easy,isn't it ??
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rock_knutne
Apr 15, 2010 11:44am
Kelly changing the culture at ND, attention to detail is huge with him.
http://irish.nbcsports.com/2010/04/kelly-narrative-taking-shape.html.php
http://irish.nbcsports.com/2010/04/kelly-narrative-taking-shape.html.php
karen lotz
Posts: 22,284
Apr 15, 2010 1:36pm
I'm curious to see what vball and pick6 have to contribute to this thread.
Notre Dame Football 2010.
Discuss or GTFO
Notre Dame Football 2010.
Discuss or GTFO
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Apr 15, 2010 2:37pm
stalker...btw,Crusaderspeak ?rock_knutne wrote:Being a stupid asshole? You would know.vball10set wrote: Pick6--it's so easy,isn't it ??
Lotz,I tried to compliment Kelly and his staff,but to no avail--sorry
karen lotz
Posts: 22,284
Apr 21, 2010 3:32pm
Kelly said today that both Crist and Rudolph will play in the Blue-Gold game. Crist will obviously be withheld from contact, but it is good to see that he has progressed far enough in his rehab that he can participate.
Kickoff is set for this Saturday at 1:30. und.com will stream the game live.
Kickoff is set for this Saturday at 1:30. und.com will stream the game live.
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steel_curtain
Posts: 165
Apr 21, 2010 10:44pm
Got another commitment today Mathias Farley, CN from NC, 6'1 190, has some pretty good offers and last year was his first one playing football, a ton of upside.
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september63
Posts: 5,789
Apr 23, 2010 7:34pm
How are the ND guys faring in the 2010 NFL draft?
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rock_knutne
Apr 23, 2010 7:38pm
Translation: "Look at me, I'm a five year old who craves attention."september63 wrote: How are the ND guys faring in the 2010 NFL draft?
karen lotz
Posts: 22,284
Apr 23, 2010 8:24pm
I remember my first beer.september63 wrote: How are the ND guys faring in the 2010 NFL draft?
killer_ewok
Posts: 11,379
Apr 23, 2010 8:30pm
Not bad. Clausen got drafted into a good situation in Carolina and Tate is part of arguably the most impressive draft by a team (Seattle) thus far.september63 wrote: How are the ND guys faring in the 2010 NFL draft?
karen lotz
Posts: 22,284
Apr 23, 2010 10:27pm
I agree killer. Both of them might be a little disappointed with where they were taken in the draft pick wise, but they should both be pretty pleased with the teams that took them. Carolina has one of the best running games in the league, a better than average defense, and a established go to receiver in Steve Smith.
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rock_knutne
Apr 24, 2010 12:30pm
rock_knutne wrote:Translation: "Look at me, I'm a five year old who craves attention."september63 wrote: How are the ND guys faring in the 2010 NFL draft?
BTW, how are the OSU guys faring in the 2010 NFL draft?
karen lotz
Posts: 22,284
Apr 24, 2010 1:25pm