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Big Gain

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Feb 4, 2010 3:18 AM
ou1980 wrote: First time since 2003 that Ohio State hasn't made the Top 25 recruiting class ranking...
HOWEVER...Ohio State's average Star ranking puts them in the Top Ten, they only signed 18 players.
Feb 3, 2010 10:18pm
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Cleveland Buck

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Feb 4, 2010 3:21 AM
centralbucksfan wrote: Cat is the poster child to why so many HATE the SEC. ARROGANCE and the continued NAUSIATING chest thumping!!

Of course, when your FAV team suffers thru TWO UNDERACHIEVING PITIFUL seasons....you gotta have something else to deflect the OBVIOUS.
It's not like they've been terrible. Lots of teams have 9 losses over the past two years. Northwestern, Rutgers, Navy, Houston, etc.
Feb 3, 2010 10:21pm
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ironman02

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Feb 4, 2010 3:22 AM
Big Gain wrote:

HOWEVER...Ohio State's average Star ranking puts them in the Top Ten, they only signed 18 players.
Very true. In the recruiting rankings, a lot of emphasis is put on quantity, rather than just quality. Only signing 18 players definitely dropped OSU in the rankings.

I'm a little disappointed that they didn't get another O-lineman or two, but for the most part, they filled the team's needs. Decent class that could really turn out to be pretty good. Need a GREAT class next year, in my opinion.
Feb 3, 2010 10:22pm
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NNN

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Feb 4, 2010 6:02 AM
Big Gain wrote: Could it be the majority are from California, Texas and the Mid-West and didn't want any part of playing below the racist Mason Dixon Line?

You should really band wagon another SEC school. LSU is quickly becoming irrelevant in the SEC.
Big Gain wrote: "post towards" Again the swamp mucker proves how illiterate those below the Mason Dixon Line are.
Maybe you should actually journey south of the Ohio River at some point.

You'll get to meet a lot of people in different states who have no trouble spelling N-A-T-I-O-N-A-L C-H-A-M-P-I-O-N-S.
Feb 4, 2010 1:02am
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Feb 4, 2010 1:51 PM
NNN wrote:
Big Gain wrote: Could it be the majority are from California, Texas and the Mid-West and didn't want any part of playing below the racist Mason Dixon Line?

You should really band wagon another SEC school. LSU is quickly becoming irrelevant in the SEC.
Big Gain wrote: "post towards" Again the swamp mucker proves how illiterate those below the Mason Dixon Line are.
Maybe you should actually journey south of the Ohio River at some point.

You'll get to meet a lot of people in different states who have no trouble spelling N-A-T-I-O-N-A-L C-H-A-M-P-I-O-N-S.

I'm sure outside of the Lady Vol fans, most in Tennessee don't even know what that means. Why do SEC fans get such a hard on when teams from their conference win the MNCG? Does it make for an excuse for losing on the 3rd Saturday in October?
Feb 4, 2010 8:51am
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Feb 4, 2010 2:22 PM
^^^^

Technically there are no "National Champions". NCAA doesn't recognize winner of BCS National Championship game as a true "National Champion", only the winner of the FCS Playoff.

So Congrats, Villanova. Go Wildcats.
Feb 4, 2010 9:22am
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BigAppleBuckeye

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Feb 4, 2010 4:58 PM
cats gone wild wrote: this year by Rivals rankings

http://footballrecruiting.rivals.com/teamrank.asp?SID=880

Top 25 recruiting class
Big Ten 2 teams
SEC 8 teams

Top 10 Recruiting
Big ten 0 teams
SEC 5 teams

5* commits
Big ten 1
SEC 11

SEC has better recruiting every year, better coaches, 5 out of the last 7 titles.
Sorry Big 10, but I dont see any turn around for your conference
Why are you so obsessed with the SEC? Your trivial posts do nothing to snuff the "dumb hick" stereotypes from which many Southerners suffer. I assume that you deem yourself witty, yet your obsession comes off tired and jealous.
Feb 4, 2010 11:58am
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Society

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Feb 4, 2010 5:07 PM
BigAppleBuckeye wrote:
cats gone wild wrote: this year by Rivals rankings

http://footballrecruiting.rivals.com/teamrank.asp?SID=880

Top 25 recruiting class
Big Ten 2 teams
SEC 8 teams

Top 10 Recruiting
Big ten 0 teams
SEC 5 teams

5* commits
Big ten 1
SEC 11

SEC has better recruiting every year, better coaches, 5 out of the last 7 titles.
Sorry Big 10, but I dont see any turn around for your conference
Why are you so obsessed with the SEC? Your trivial posts do nothing to snuff the "dumb hick" stereotypes from which many Southerners suffer. I assume that you deem yourself witty, yet your obsession comes off tired and jealous.
Jesus continually lets him down, so he goes to the next best thing, Tim Tebow and the conference that hailed him as the next savior.
Feb 4, 2010 12:07pm
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Feb 4, 2010 5:33 PM
Cats is still walking on air celebrating his team's 1/12 of a national championship along with Miss St., Vandy, UGA, and the rest.
Feb 4, 2010 12:33pm
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cview

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Feb 4, 2010 5:41 PM
Speedofsand wrote: nobody counts that mudfest as a game.
SEC has better players, teams, coaches, and games.

Because both teams didn't play on the same field, right?
Feb 4, 2010 12:41pm
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cats gone wild

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Feb 4, 2010 7:39 PM
cview wrote:
Speedofsand wrote: nobody counts that mudfest as a game.
SEC has better players, teams, coaches, and games.

Because both teams didn't play on the same field, right?
And maybe because they were on their 4th string running back? If you take away a teams main weapons (speed, runningbacks, and i think there was other injuries), it will hurt you. Please tell me, if the field conditions were normal, would PSU of beaten LSU. Highly doubt it.
Feb 4, 2010 2:39pm
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Feb 4, 2010 7:53 PM
cats gone wild wrote:
cview wrote:
Speedofsand wrote: nobody counts that mudfest as a game.
SEC has better players, teams, coaches, and games.

Because both teams didn't play on the same field, right?
And maybe because they were on their 4th string running back? If you take away a teams main weapons (speed, runningbacks, and i think there was other injuries), it will hurt you. Please tell me, if the field conditions were normal, would PSU of beaten LSU. Highly doubt it.
You are a joke, you do realize that correct?
Feb 4, 2010 2:53pm
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centralbucksfan

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Feb 4, 2010 8:16 PM
cats gone wild wrote:
cview wrote:
Speedofsand wrote: nobody counts that mudfest as a game.
SEC has better players, teams, coaches, and games.

Because both teams didn't play on the same field, right?
And maybe because they were on their 4th string running back? If you take away a teams main weapons (speed, runningbacks, and i think there was other injuries), it will hurt you. Please tell me, if the field conditions were normal, would PSU of beaten LSU. Highly doubt it.
At seasons end, most teams deal with injuries. Its part of the game.
Excuses are like assholes, everybody has one pal. Admit the obvious and move on.
Feb 4, 2010 3:16pm
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BigAppleBuckeye

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Feb 4, 2010 8:18 PM
cats gone wild wrote:
cview wrote:
Speedofsand wrote: nobody counts that mudfest as a game.
SEC has better players, teams, coaches, and games.

Because both teams didn't play on the same field, right?
And maybe because they were on their 4th string running back? If you take away a teams main weapons (speed, runningbacks, and i think there was other injuries), it will hurt you. Please tell me, if the field conditions were normal, would PSU of beaten LSU. Highly doubt it.
OK, as long as you acknowledge that if the 2008 BCS Title Game wasn't held in New Orleans (a virtual home game for LSU), that LSU wouldn't have beaten OSU. Highly doubt it. :P
Feb 4, 2010 3:18pm
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Feb 4, 2010 10:56 PM
cats gone wild wrote:
cview wrote:
Speedofsand wrote: nobody counts that mudfest as a game.
SEC has better players, teams, coaches, and games.

Because both teams didn't play on the same field, right?
And maybe because they were on their 4th string running back? If you take away a teams main weapons (speed, runningbacks, and i think there was other injuries), it will hurt you. Please tell me, if the field conditions were normal, would PSU of beaten LSU. Highly doubt it.
Finally an SEC fan admits that Ohio State only got blown out against Florida because our top weapon hurt himself on the opening play. Florida couldn't touch Ted Ginn, every time he touched the ball he scored a TD.

Just imagine if Ginn was healthy, Ohio State would have won by 100.
Feb 4, 2010 5:56pm
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Feb 4, 2010 11:09 PM
If Ginn was half as tough as an SEC player he would have stayed in the game
Feb 4, 2010 6:09pm
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Bigdogg

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Feb 4, 2010 11:24 PM
cats gone wild wrote: this year by Rivals rankings

http://footballrecruiting.rivals.com/teamrank.asp?SID=880

Top 25 recruiting class
Big Ten 2 teams
SEC 8 teams

Top 10 Recruiting
Big ten 0 teams
SEC 5 teams

5* commits
Big ten 1
SEC 11

SEC has better recruiting every year, better coaches, 5 out of the last 7 titles.
Sorry Big 10, but I dont see any turn around for your conference
So the SEC and their 30 recruits are better then OSU 18 recruits? That's about the same odds as the Civil War and we all know how that worked out for the South right?
Feb 4, 2010 6:24pm
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cview

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Feb 4, 2010 11:34 PM
Speedofsand wrote: If Ginn was half as tough as an SEC player he would have stayed in the game

SEC players are so tough.




I'm glad we all agreed on the conditions though. If the LSU-Penn State game doesn't count, then I'm sure as fuck not going to count some garbage game Ohio State played without Ted Ginn. It took the Buckeyes all of 15 seconds to score when Ginn was on the field. Man, I feel better about that title game now.
Feb 4, 2010 6:34pm
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Feb 5, 2010 12:28 AM
Wooball wrote: I'm sure outside of the Lady Vol fans, most in Tennessee don't even know what that means. Why do SEC fans get such a hard on when teams from their conference win the MNCG? Does it make for an excuse for losing on the 3rd Saturday in October?
Since there were two references made not to a conference but to a region, I'll point out the geographic location of every BCS title game team. Bolded are in the former CSA states.

1998 - Tennessee, Florida State
1999 - Florida State, Virginia Tech
2000 - Oklahoma, Florida State
2001 - Miami, Nebraska
2002 - Miami, Ohio State
2003 - LSU, Oklahoma
2004 - USC, Oklahoma
2005 - USC, Texas
2006 - Florida, Ohio State
2007 - LSU, Ohio State
2008 - Florida, Oklahoma
2009 - Bammer, Texas

10 of 12 national champions come from that region, and 18 of 24 participants do.

Feb 4, 2010 7:28pm
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Feb 4, 2010 9:12pm
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tcarrier32

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Feb 8, 2010 2:41 AM
man i sure love me some SEC! aint nuthin like rootin fer yer conference
Feb 7, 2010 9:41pm
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cbus4life

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Feb 8, 2010 5:09 PM
This is Cats way of jerking off the SEC and every player in it, as Jesus won't let him do it IRL.
Feb 8, 2010 12:09pm
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Archie

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Feb 8, 2010 7:24 PM
Still waiting for anyone in the SEC outside of Tennessee to pony up and start playing some out of conference games... especially away from home. Come to think of it, maybe Tennessee should quit too... hasn't worked out so well for them.
Feb 8, 2010 2:24pm
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Writerbuckeye

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Feb 8, 2010 7:52 PM
So is the SEC's practice of dramatically over-signing (and later cutting) recruits factored into all this?

It does help when, like Alabama, you've basically signed an extra recruiting class over a period of 3 years, and simply weeded out the players who didn't cut it.

Since no other conferences are doing this (and it's now being cut back by the NCAA), I'd say it likely plays a big role in rankings -- especially when recruiting rankings are tilted heavily in favor of classes that have more kids in them.
Feb 8, 2010 2:52pm
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Feb 8, 2010 8:25 PM
Have an example of the oversigning by Alabama. From 2007 to 2010, Saban signed 113 recruits (remember, there is an 85 scholarship limit). That's just recruits, and doesn't take into account how many players were on the Alabama team at any given point when those players were signed.

Even if you assume he started at zero (he obviously didn't) in 2007, that still means Saban essentially signed an extra recruiting class of 28 kids over that four year period -- and then culled out those kids who weren't as good before granting actual scholarships, and keeping his total at 85 as NCAA regs require.

Is it any wonder SEC teams have had a distinct advantage on the playing field over the last 5 years or so? When you consistently sign extra recruits and then run off current scholarship players who aren't as good, you basically eliminate the margin of error that every other conference has to factor in when signing their classes to stay within 85 scholarships.
Feb 8, 2010 3:25pm