Poor are Poor because they want to be Poor

I still contend that this is a true statement. Everyone is given the opportunity to achieve in America and the choice made in life determines our personal success. How an individual handles the opportunities and the effort put forth to reach those goals are self inspired determination some have it and some blow it.
I’m seeing a “New Poor” developing now in American society. Not those that has made the bad decision, over extended themselves, uneducated, drug depended, lazy and just plain stupid behavior individual. But educated individuals, once driven people, inspiring to achieve people, hard working, dedicated to working, saving/banking account drawing low and heart broken family men and women whose dreams and spirit is fading from their future.
Some of you are now in this situation and some of you graduating will find this to be a reality.

http://uspoverty.change.org/blog/view/americas_new_needy

Obama … ….create JOBS. Great words of wisdom from someone who has never had to meet payroll, owned a business or created anything on his own.

Three Questions: Answer anyone of the two.
1. What needs to happen to reverse this “New Poor…. New Needy” situation?
2. Is this Administration capable of creating private sector jobs?

As a business owner of two business sale are down 25% in one and 41% in the other to save the business I have to make cuts ……… (sad and heart broken)
One business a small business loan is not the answer …. kick starting the building market but even that would take nine months to a year to alter any sales for me to rehire anyone.
Second business a SBA loan $150,000/200,000 would be very helpful to push our new product line but it will not create any new jobs for maybe a year out or more.

Three Questions: Answer anyone of the three.
1. What needs to happen to reverse this “New Poor…. New Needy” situation?
2. Is this Administration capable of creating private sector jobs?

...umm where's #3?

One could have just went to college to for something that there will always be a need for.

I truly feel sorry for you if you are going to school for business right now. You obviously don't have very much common sense, or are determined to prove people wrong.

derek bomar wrote: ...umm where's #3?

Why is the sky blue?

CinciX12 wrote: One could have just went to college to for something that there will always be a need for.

I truly feel sorry for you if you are going to school for business right now. You obviously don't have very much common sense, or are determined to prove people wrong.

I think the business students will be in better shape the the social workers, theatre majors, etc.

fan_from_texas wrote:

CinciX12 wrote: One could have just went to college to for something that there will always be a need for.

I truly feel sorry for you if you are going to school for business right now. You obviously don't have very much common sense, or are determined to prove people wrong.

I think the business students will be in better shape the the social workers, theatre majors, etc.

Those people have always been dumb though, they don't count.

Majoring in business is still a worthwhile adventure, especially if you don't mind being part of a global corporation (sad huh, we have to move to other countries to find the good jobs). And knowing about money, how to manage it, how to invest it, and how to invest IN it are huge advantages over the common people.

CinciX12 wrote:Those people have always been dumb though, they don't count.

I lol'd

Yea...I would say a business degree isn't any more or less valuable than it has been in the past. There are some generic majors I'd stay away from in undergrad (marketing and management) and those I would focus on (finance and accounting, or transportation and logistics).

friendfromlowry wrote:

CinciX12 wrote:Those people have always been dumb though, they don't count.

I lol'd

Me, too.

derek bomar wrote: Three Questions: Answer anyone of the three.
1. What needs to happen to reverse this “New Poor…. New Needy” situation?
2. Is this Administration capable of creating private sector jobs?

...umm where's #3?

There was three





[size=small]This is your warning on personal attacks. 1 more time and it's a forum ban. -LJ[/size]

Belly35 wrote:

derek bomar wrote: Three Questions: Answer anyone of the three.
1. What needs to happen to reverse this “New Poor…. New Needy” situation?
2. Is this Administration capable of creating private sector jobs?

...umm where's #3?

There was three





[size=small]This is your warning on personal attacks. 1 more time and it's a forum ban.[/size]

Sir, yes sir.

There was 2.

derek bomar wrote: Yea...I would say a business degree isn't any more or less valuable than it has been in the past. There are some generic majors I'd stay away from in undergrad (marketing and management) and those I would focus on (finance and accounting, or transportation and logistics).

A business degree hasn't lost any value, it will just be difficult to get a job if you have any reservations about going to where the job is.

CinciX12 wrote:

Belly35 wrote:

derek bomar wrote: Three Questions: Answer anyone of the three.
1. What needs to happen to reverse this “New Poor…. New Needy” situation?
2. Is this Administration capable of creating private sector jobs?

...umm where's #3?

There was three





[size=small]This is your warning on personal attacks. 1 more time and it's a forum ban.[/size]

Sir, yes sir.

There was 2.

Im confused

CinciX12 wrote:
I truly feel sorry for you if you are going to school for business right now. You obviously don't have very much common sense, or are determined to prove people wrong.

thats pretty much it for me

derek bomar wrote:

CinciX12 wrote:

Belly35 wrote:

derek bomar wrote: Three Questions: Answer anyone of the three.
1. What needs to happen to reverse this “New Poor…. New Needy” situation?
2. Is this Administration capable of creating private sector jobs?

...umm where's #3?

There was three





[size=small]This is your warning on personal attacks. 1 more time and it's a forum ban.[/size]

Sir, yes sir.

There was 2.

Im confused

Seems to me there were 3, and either he removed #3 or someone else did. Not there are only two.

FatHobbit wrote:
Seems to me there were 3, and either he removed #3 or someone else did. Not there are only two.

He is the only one that has edited the first post. I edited the post people are quoting because he threw out a personal insult at another poster.

Belly35 wrote: Poor are Poor because they want to be Poor

I still contend that this is a true statement. Everyone is given the opportunity to achieve in America and the choice made in life determines our personal success. How an individual handles the opportunities and the effort put forth to reach those goals are self inspired determination some have it and some blow it.

Belly35 wrote:I’m seeing a “New Poor” developing now in American society. Not those that has made the bad decision, over extended themselves, uneducated, drug depended, lazy and just plain stupid behavior individual. But educated individuals, once driven people, inspiring to achieve people, hard working, dedicated to working, saving/banking account drawing low and heart broken family men and women whose dreams and spirit is fading from their future.
Some of you are now in this situation and some of you graduating will find this to be a reality.

Those two statements contradict each other.

bigmanbt wrote: Majoring in business is still a worthwhile adventure, especially if you don't mind being part of a global corporation (sad huh, we have to move to other countries to find the good jobs). And knowing about money, how to manage it, how to invest it, and how to invest IN it are huge advantages over the common people.

spot on.

Anybody coming out of college these days needs to position themselves for a global market. Being fluent in a foreign language is HUGE....especially Asian languages.

HitsRus wrote:Anybody coming out of college these days needs to position themselves for a global market. Being fluent in a foreign language is HUGE....especially Asian languages.

You just described my roommate spot on. He'll graduate in the Spring (most likely) with degree in international business and a minor in Chinese.

Belly35 wrote: Poor are Poor because they want to be Poor

I still contend that this is a true statement. Everyone is given the opportunity to achieve in America and the choice made in life determines our personal success. How an individual handles the opportunities and the effort put forth to reach those goals are self inspired determination some have it and some blow it.
I’m seeing a “New Poor” developing now in American society. Not those that has made the bad decision, over extended themselves, uneducated, drug depended, lazy and just plain stupid behavior individual. But educated individuals, once driven people, inspiring to achieve people, hard working, dedicated to working, saving/banking account drawing low and heart broken family men and women whose dreams and spirit is fading from their future.
Some of you are now in this situation and some of you graduating will find this to be a reality.

http://uspoverty.change.org/blog/view/americas_new_needy

Obama … ….create JOBS. Great words of wisdom from someone who has never had to meet payroll, owned a business or created anything on his own.

Three Questions: Answer anyone of the two.
1. What needs to happen to reverse this “New Poor…. New Needy” situation?
2. Is this Administration capable of creating private sector jobs?

As a business owner of two business sale are down 25% in one and 41% in the other to save the business I have to make cuts ……… (sad and heart broken)
One business a small business loan is not the answer …. kick starting the building market but even that would take nine months to a year to alter any sales for me to rehire anyone.
Second business a SBA loan $150,000/200,000 would be very helpful to push our new product line but it will not create any new jobs for maybe a year out or more.

This post is one big contradiction of itself. You just stated as a business owner that you have to make cuts when sales are down. So if some other business owners also have to make cuts, doesn't that mean they may have to reduce their labor force?But I'm sure those people want to lose their job because poor want to be poor, right?

Also, you state we all have opportunities in this country. Not ture at all. I have never had the same opportunity as someone like George W. Bush to run multi-million dollar companies that are handed to me (not meant to be a knock on Bush, using him as an example). Some people make the most with the opportunities presented to them and still never get out of poverty.

In a capitalistic society, there will always be a poverty class and a wealthy class because without the poverty, there can not be the extremely rich IMO.

Not all poor people choose to be poor, although some do nothing to change it, that I will agree with. But it is not a black and white issue as you portray it in your original post.

Pick6 wrote:

CinciX12 wrote:
I truly feel sorry for you if you are going to school for business right now. You obviously don't have very much common sense, or are determined to prove people wrong.

thats pretty much it for me

More power to you. I bet thats what separates the people who do get jobs and the ones that are unemployed.

Belly35 wrote: Poor are Poor because they want to be Poor

I still contend that this is a true statement. Everyone is given the opportunity to achieve in America and the choice made in life determines our personal success. How an individual handles the opportunities and the effort put forth to reach those goals are self inspired determination some have it and some blow it.
I’m seeing a “New Poor” developing now in American society. Not those that has made the bad decision, over extended themselves, uneducated, drug depended, lazy and just plain stupid behavior individual. But educated individuals, once driven people, inspiring to achieve people, hard working, dedicated to working, saving/banking account drawing low and heart broken family men and women whose dreams and spirit is fading from their future.
Some of you are now in this situation and some of you graduating will find this to be a reality.

Please prove this assertion. Please prove that the poor want to be poor. So far it is a baseless assertion.

Some people are poor because of circumstances beyond their control; mental illness, abandonment, something else. Some people are poor because of unwise decisions they have made. Both groups need help,

chs71 wrote: Some people are poor because of circumstances beyond their control; mental illness, abandonment, something else. Some people are poor because of unwise decisions they have made. Both groups need help,

You are suggesting altruism. How dare you. We know that the conservatives in this country are against altruism. That is a failed system only selfishism works.