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Jan 23, 2010 4:20 PM
september63 wrote: The game was at WVU. Why is anyone surprised about fans chanting obsenities? It is after all, West Virginia!! Best of all, WVU fans on here saying they dont have a problem with it.

Actually it happens everywhere (I believe Maryland said far worse things about Redick's underage sister) so why would I care?

Your fake outrage and hurt over a few naughty words doesn't really bother me.

As I said, what do we benefit from being known as a classy student section? Does that help you win games? So why would I care what other people think?
Jan 23, 2010 4:20pm
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Jan 23, 2010 4:26 PM
I couldnt agree more with I drain.

Matta gets out coached AGAIN!

I've said it since Deibler arrived at OSU, the kid is OVERRATED. Good ball player but he isnt even as good a stroke as people think he is (he's white and plays the "shooters" role). To be honest, if anything Buford has the more pure shot.

1). Matta sits in the zone way too long. As mentioned previously, mix it up.

2). Deibler sees WAY too much time and way too much of the offense is designed around him coming off of double screens for 3's.

3). Aside from all else, WHAT IN THE FUCK was Matta doing at the end of the game, down 5 with 45 seconds left allowing the WVU PG to dribble about 20 seconds off the clock because Turner wouldnt contest him there?

4) Why the fuck is the ball not in Even Turner or William Buford's hands at the end of the game?
Jan 23, 2010 4:26pm
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Jan 23, 2010 4:29 PM
I just wanna throw this out there. Diebler, while scoring a respectable 11 points, had ZERO rebounds, and ZERO assists. You're playing the wing in a zone, you have got to crash the boards. How can you play the majority of a game, and not grab one, single, rebound? Hell, Simmons grabbed a board and i'm betting Diebler played at least 3x as many minutes as him.
Jan 23, 2010 4:29pm
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Jan 23, 2010 4:31 PM
I drain 3's wrote: I just wanna throw this out there. Diebler, while scoring a respectable 11 points, had ZERO rebounds, and ZERO assists. You're playing the wing in a zone, you have got to crash the boards. How can you play the majority of a game, and not grab one, single, rebound? Hell, Simmons grabbed a board and i'm betting Diebler played at least 3x as many minutes as him.
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guess hes On Dieble

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Jan 23, 2010 4:31pm
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Jan 23, 2010 4:56 PM
^^^I agree-- I gotta' think Matta out-thunk himself in this game
Jan 23, 2010 4:56pm
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Jan 23, 2010 5:56 PM
ccrunner609 wrote: you pack in a zone and get out boarded. WTF?

Why do you play a zone when you obvioulsy out match them at every position?
LOL, you are kidding? Are you really that clueless or just putting on a show? Man for man, WVU is better, and more athletic. Add in they are much deeper as well. And when you play zone, u often will get out rebounded. That why many don't prefer to play it. Wow, the ignorance around is ridiculous at times.
Jan 23, 2010 5:56pm
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Jan 23, 2010 5:56 PM
Some really good discussion here, other than CBF who is too blind once again to ever question an OSU coach. No one should expect any different though.

I only saw the last few minutes of the first half. But OSU looked really good the first half. But I knew that OSU would stick with the zone too long and Huggins would made some in game adjustments (apparently CBF doesn't believe that happens) and would get some easy buckets. On several of the first possessions of the second half, WVU ran some really effective plays against the zone to get wide-open looks.

Matta stuck with it too long.

And to say he doesn't have a bench or any other options is just becoming an excuse. You sleep in the bed you make. I understand who the best 5 guys are, but you have to be willing to give a guy like PJ Hill a shot.

And for the Diebler hate, I've been saying it all year. It's too often that he plays 35+ minutes and has 0's across his box score other than shot attempts and points. How in the hell someone plays 35 minutes and fails to defend, get one rebound or have one assist is just beyond me. The kid is such a pussy it makes me sick.
Jan 23, 2010 5:56pm
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Jan 23, 2010 5:56 PM
Well, I said the inside matchups were a nightmare for Ohio State and that's where this game was lost.

Just like last year.

Ohio State does not have the athletes/length inside to stay with physical teams like WV.

This is one area where having your best forward playing as a PG hurts like hell.

How much difference does it make if you've got a competent PG handling the ball and letting Turner do his thing underneath? He doesn't have the fatigue from handling the ball all the time, plus he's actually playing in position (what a concept).

It's a shame we won't get a chance to see him given a chance to play in his natural sport with a good PG dishing the ball. As good as he is, I'd love to see how he'd do if he didn't have to shoulder so much of the ball handling all game long.
Jan 23, 2010 5:56pm
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Jan 23, 2010 5:59 PM
The outrebounded comment about being in a zone is idiotic, but what else would you expect from ccrunner.

However, if just looking at the top 5, OSU could be considered better at every position as a whole. You have Turner, Lighty and Buford who all have the potential to be great defenders because of their length, even though Buford gets lazy at times (that's on coaching). You have Lauderdale who was the biggest guy on the court and is a very good defender, and then you have one position that you might worry about in Diebler. But you have Simmons or Hill in the game, and you have 5 very capable man to man defenders. Then you might be able to cut into the rebounding gap.
Jan 23, 2010 5:59pm
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Jan 23, 2010 6:05 PM
thedynasty1998 wrote: Some really good discussion here, other than CBF who is too blind once again to ever question an OSU coach. No one should expect any different though.

I only saw the last few minutes of the first half. But OSU looked really good the first half. But I knew that OSU would stick with the zone too long and Huggins would made some in game adjustments (apparently CBF doesn't believe that happens) and would get some easy buckets. On several of the first possessions of the second half, WVU ran some really effective plays against the zone to get wide-open looks.

Matta stuck with it too long.

And to say he doesn't have a bench or any other options is just becoming an excuse. You sleep in the bed you make. I understand who the best 5 guys are, but you have to be willing to give a guy like PJ Hill a shot.

And for the Diebler hate, I've been saying it all year. It's too often that he plays 35+ minutes and has 0's across his box score other than shot attempts and points. How in the hell someone plays 35 minutes and fails to defend, get one rebound or have one assist is just beyond me. The kid is such a pussy it makes me sick.
Ahhh, Mr. Coach finally shows up. Here is alittle lesson for you:
FYI, Matta was mixing the zone and MM. He as goinq zone on made bucks, and going MM on misses. Well, in the second half, we had many more misses then makes. Thus OSU played more MM then they did in the fist half, where they shot lights out. Thus, they played more zone, and were more effective in the first half holding WVU to 28pts, and were actually EVEN on rebounding.
In the second half, OSU shot poorly, making ONE FG the final 8 minutes and were outrebounded by 9 rebounds in the second half. That my friend, was the ball game. Even Huggins said after the game..he challenged WVU to step up and get after it. WVU didn't do anything any different then they did in the first half x and o wise. They just attacked the basket, and rebounded. OSU didn't.
Its really a simple game. Make shots, you look good, can get set on defense, miss shots, don't rebound...your in deep trouble.
Jan 23, 2010 6:05pm
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Jan 23, 2010 6:08 PM
thedynasty1998 wrote: The outrebounded comment about being in a zone is idiotic, but what else would you expect from ccrunner.

However, if just looking at the top 5, OSU could be considered better at every position as a whole. You have Turner, Lighty and Buford who all have the potential to be great defenders because of their length, even though Buford gets lazy at times (that's on coaching). You have Lauderdale who was the biggest guy on the court and is a very good defender, and then you have one position that you might worry about in Diebler. But you have Simmons or Hill in the game, and you have 5 very capable man to man defenders. Then you might be able to cut into the rebounding gap.
Idiodic? LOL Ask any freaking coach..its a major reason many don't like zone, because of the rebounding issue. Excuse or not, its there. Although the effort is a major reason, and that effort wasn't there inthe second half.
And NO, OSU is NOT better at every position, or deeper. Overall, WVU is a better team. Simmons and PJ can play vs certain teams. Today, they were out of their element as was Madsen.
There is a reason WVU is the 11th ranked team, and OSU isn't. On top of that, its was at WVU. I didn't expect OSU to win. Thought they could...didn't expect it. WVU is a better team, period.
Jan 23, 2010 6:08pm
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Jan 23, 2010 6:10 PM
Will you admit that when a team is +12 in one half, and then -18 in the second half; some of the blame falls on coaching. And it's not like a key player was in foul trouble or some other factor to explain it. The same guys were playing.

And maybe another angle to look at would be OSU's lack of substitions and the minutes played by their 5 key guys. While WVU is subbing and keeping guys fresh, OSU is asking guys to play 40 minutes. You have claimed that that isn't a factor and won't be this year. Just maybe, WVU had more pep left in the final 5 minutes than an OSU team who was on the road and asked 3 guys to play 40 minutes?
Jan 23, 2010 6:10pm
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Jan 23, 2010 6:14 PM
I'm agreeing the rebounding comment in the zone is idiotic.

OSU clearly isn't deeper than any team in the country. However, at what position on the defensive end did you feel WVU had a huge advantage in a man to man defense? WVU isn't a big team, which can cause OSU problems. They are a guard oriented team which OSU matches up with.

And I didn't think OSU won this game either, but when you are up 12 after the first half, you have proven that you were good enough to beat them.
Jan 23, 2010 6:14pm
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Jan 23, 2010 6:14 PM
thedynasty1998 wrote: Will you admit that when a team is +12 in one half, and then -18 in the second half; some of the blame falls on coaching. And it's not like a key player was in foul trouble or some other factor to explain it. The same guys were playing.

And maybe another angle to look at would be OSU's lack of substitions and the minutes played by their 5 key guys. While WVU is subbing and keeping guys fresh, OSU is asking guys to play 40 minutes. You have claimed that that isn't a factor and won't be this year. Just maybe, WVU had more pep left in the final 5 minutes than an OSU team who was on the road and asked 3 guys to play 40 minutes?
No, I won't admit it. OSU shot great the first half, poor the second. Was that on Matta? Players making shots or not? If thats the case, then Huggins was piss poor in the first half. And that wasn't the case either. In game adjustments are highly over rated. WVU made plays the second half, OSU didn't.
As I said, OSU couldn't have shot better the first half. The second, they ddidn....thus WVU was able to get into transition and get easy baskets scoring the first 10 pts of the second half. OSU had good looks to start half, jsut didn't hit them as they did the first half. Buford was the only one dong anything....but he was streaky in stretches, then disappearing at times. Turner couldn't make plays down the stetch, along with missing some key FT's as well.
None of that has to do with coaching my friend. The coaching happens the three days prior to the game. Then the players have got to go out and do their thing. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't.
Jan 23, 2010 6:14pm
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Jan 23, 2010 6:17 PM
thedynasty1998 wrote: I'm agreeing the rebounding comment in the zone is idiotic.

OSU clearly isn't deeper than any team in the country. However, at what position on the defensive end did you feel WVU had a huge advantage in a man to man defense? WVU isn't a big team, which can cause OSU problems. They are a guard oriented team which OSU matches up with.

And I didn't think OSU won this game either, but when you are up 12 after the first half, you have proven that you were good enough to beat them.
OSU was up 12, playing LIGHTS OUT. That wasn't going to continue. I said that in the first half. I said WVU would make a run. I was hopeful we could continue to rebound, thus I was hopeful they could stay in the game. Well, the rebounding was poor in second half. That was the difference in the game really. 12 offense rebounds...at the very least, they put back 6. Thats 12pts alone.
It happens often n games, and you know this having watched enough basketball. A team like WVU can erase a lead quickly, and they did. SImilar to OSU vs Purdue. It happens.
Time to move on. Its not a bad loss for OSU. A win would have been great...but it wont' hurt them come selection time.
Jan 23, 2010 6:17pm
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Jan 23, 2010 6:26 PM
OSU shot 49% for the game, while WVU shot 44%.

OSU was 16-29 in the first half and 8-20 in the second. Yes, they shot well in the first half, but they weren't exactly ice cold in the second and when you shoot 49% from the field, you have to feel good about your offensive performance.

I expected WVU to make a run, because I think they are a very good team.

But coaching has to factor into this loss, and if you refuse to admit that, then you are blind. You shoot 49% from the field and get outscored by 18 in the second half. I know players make plays, but you really got what you expected from each player.
Jan 23, 2010 6:26pm
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Jan 23, 2010 6:27 PM
thedynasty1998 wrote: Will you admit that when a team is +12 in one half, and then -18 in the second half; some of the blame falls on coaching. And it's not like a key player was in foul trouble or some other factor to explain it. The same guys were playing.

And maybe another angle to look at would be OSU's lack of substitions and the minutes played by their 5 key guys. While WVU is subbing and keeping guys fresh, OSU is asking guys to play 40 minutes. You have claimed that that isn't a factor and won't be this year. Just maybe, WVU had more pep left in the final 5 minutes than an OSU team who was on the road and asked 3 guys to play 40 minutes?
I didn't read the whole thread here but Huggins got in their head at half big time. They played great D and very few turnovers, a far cry from how they played in the first half. The Bucks shots were not open looks like they were in the first and they weren't falling either. Not a bad loss.
Jan 23, 2010 6:27pm
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Jan 23, 2010 6:47 PM
It's not a bad loss at all. OSU is fine. That is a tough place to play at and get a win. I'm not disappointed in the loss, but I think that Matta could have done more. Either using his timeouts at times to stop momentum or getting into his guys during a timeout, like Huggins apparently did.

I'm actually coming away from this game optimistic. OSU played well enough to be in the game against a top 15 team on the road. Buford played well and that's promising.

OSU won't play a tougher game in the regular season the rest of the year other than MSU.
Jan 23, 2010 6:47pm
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Jan 23, 2010 6:53 PM
cbf--I love your OSU loyalty,but sometimes I wonder if you really watch the same game a lot of us do...Mad Thatta was outcoached today,and at times(like today),he sticks with players too long who are NOT HELPING the team(Lighty and Diebler in the second half). After all,he IS human!!!
Jan 23, 2010 6:53pm
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Jan 23, 2010 8:55 PM
I drain 3's wrote:
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I drain 3's wrote: Thad Matta got out-coached the second half, and you can take that to the bank. How many three's does WVU have to hit before you realize the zone isn't working like it was in the first half? A coach should never just ride it out and hope that they'll start missing their shots again. Mix it up, go man a couple possessions then go back to a zone, and then a different zone if need be. Get them out of their rhythm.

Also, i've never been a "Diebler hater" so to speak, but that guy, IMO, just isn't very good. He's a hell of a shooter, i'll give him that, but oher than that, what does he bring? Average ball handler at best, can't create his own shot, average passer at best, and good lord this kid can't play D for the life of him. It's evident he just doesn't take pride in his defense. Countless times I just watched him stand there on the back side as WVU players were crashing boards. I'm not sure if I saw him box out somebody on the backside this entire game. If you're gonna go zone, get somebody on the wings that can crash. Hell, I wouldn't mind seeing PJ Hill or Simmons out at the top and move Turner to one of the wings, and get Diebler the hell out of there. What he brings on the offensive end, which isn't much, doesn't make up for what he lacks on the defensive end.

One last note, was it just me, or did anyone else think WVU was chanting "Fuck you Turner"?
LOL...here we go with the Matta got outcoached crap. LOL Clueles.
Players play the game. WVU outplayed OSU in the second half, and absolutely dominated the boards. That was the difference. And that wasn't a coaching adjustment. It was a player's adjustment as far as the effort WVU put forth in the second half.
If you can't realize Matta got outcoached then you're fucking blind. Matta stuck with the same game plan in the second half as he did the first. I wasn't in the locker-room and neither were you, but I can guarantee Huggins is to good of a coach not to make adjustments against that zone. Sure his players stepped up some, but i'm sure that had something to do with the fact that he put them in the proper position to be able to step up. When a coach makes an adjustment against what you're doing, and it's working, you make a counter-adjustment, to stop that. Matta didn't. End of story.
I like you. In a non-homosexual kinda way of course.

And WVU really chanted 'F you Turner'? Thats pretty far past the line. I mean there are better things to say to him. Like perhaps bringing this up again..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j87KEovOAWQ
Jan 23, 2010 8:55pm
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Jan 23, 2010 8:57pm
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Jan 23, 2010 8:59 PM
Where is the video of Gregory pushing Cage out of bounds:D
Jan 23, 2010 8:59pm
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Jan 23, 2010 9:43 PM
Ohio State flat ran out of gas in the 2nd half. Turner is a great player, but played very average in the 2nd half. They simply had no legs. That happens when you have no bench. WVU played 10 guys and their bench outscored OSU 9-0. Bench play and rebounding decided this game.
Jan 23, 2010 9:43pm
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Jan 23, 2010 9:48 PM
I had very mixed feelings about this game. Although WVU is one of the schools I attended, I hate Bob Huggins. I was almost tempted to root for OSU.

Nah!
Jan 23, 2010 9:48pm
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Jan 24, 2010 9:32 AM
When does the 6'10" stud from Turkey become eligible for WVU?
Jan 24, 2010 9:32am