Commander of Awesome
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Oct 10, 2017 2:34pm
He was QQing about his shitty pitch, trying to blame Crow.vball10set;1876538 wrote:I don't think Kizer's the one crying--I'm sure he feels, like you, that he needs to play better.
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vball10set
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Oct 10, 2017 2:39pm
stop your fucking whining, for crissakes--maybe Kizer isn't the answer, but Hogan sure as hell isn't either...and IMO, DK has a bigger upsideCommander of Awesome;1876541 wrote:He was QQing about his shitty pitch, trying to blame Crow.
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vball10set
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Oct 10, 2017 2:41pm
the only one QQing is you...Kizer may not be the answer, but Hogan sure as hell isn't either. IMO, DK has the bigger upside, so let him sink or swim.Commander of Awesome;1876541 wrote:He was QQing about his shitty pitch, trying to blame Crow.
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kizer permanente
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Oct 10, 2017 2:42pm
Lol while yes you're right, this was a bad pitch and on Kizer, this was you in the Bengals game when the ball was snapped over Kizers head.Commander of Awesome;1876541 wrote:He was QQing about his shitty pitch, trying to blame Crow.
consistency isn't one of your strong suits eh?Commander of Awesome;1874189 wrote:Kizer should have caught it.
Commander of Awesome
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Oct 10, 2017 2:44pm
I know you like Kizer, so you're overly protective about him. Also, you're usually a good poster, so I'mma give you a pass here. So I'll just say, vball, I'm not whinning, like at all. I'm saying Hogan gives us a better chance to win today. Nothing Kizer has done except throw on a rope leads me to believe he can be the guy. I would like him to be, and I understand it takes time. However, he's so vastly over matched out there, and it's obvious. We can't play him right now. I can legit see the steam coming out of his ears as he's trying to decide where to throw the ball. It's painful to watch and is KILLING our chances of winning football games. Hogan is maybe 100x better than him today.vball10set;1876542 wrote:stop your fucking whining, for crissakes--maybe Kizer isn't the answer, but Hogan sure as hell isn't either...and IMO, DK has a bigger upside
You say Hogan isn't the answer, ok. May be the case. Not sure what you see from Kizer that makes you think he IS the guy. Throwing him out there now is stupid.
Commander of Awesome
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Oct 10, 2017 2:44pm
lol, ok SQQ. You got me, I was posting in between meetings. Congrats lil guy.SQQ permanente;1876544 wrote:Lol while yes you're right, this was a bad pitch and on Kizer, this was you in the Bengals game when the ball was snapped over Kizers head.
consistency isn't one of your strong suits eh?
BRF
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Oct 10, 2017 2:50pm
I'm in a quandary. I also want to see "watchable" football, but I don't want that to screw up the draft. I lean toward sticking with Kizer.
Go Browns.
Go Browns.
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vball10set
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Oct 10, 2017 3:16pm
You make valid points, like Hogan giving us a better chance at (maybe) winning a game or two. My point is--does it really matter at this stage? I'd like to have a QB for more than a year, and benching a guy every game isn't helping moving forward. If Kizer is their guy, and he fails, then we need to draft another QB. If he isn't in their plans, then cut bait now. However, let's give the guy a full season without looking over his shoulder after every series and see if he has long term promise. And, if the FO believes Hogan is the answer, then give him the same courtesy.Commander of Awesome;1876545 wrote:I know you like Kizer, so you're overly protective about him. Also, you're usually a good poster, so I'mma give you a pass here. So I'll just say, vball, I'm not whinning, like at all. I'm saying Hogan gives us a better chance to win today. Nothing Kizer has done except throw on a rope leads me to believe he can be the guy. I would like him to be, and I understand it takes time. However, he's so vastly over matched out there, and it's obvious. We can't play him right now. I can legit see the steam coming out of his ears as he's trying to decide where to throw the ball. It's painful to watch and is KILLING our chances of winning football games. Hogan is maybe 100x better than him today.
You say Hogan isn't the answer, ok. May be the case. Not sure what you see from Kizer that makes you think he IS the guy. Throwing him out there now is stupid.
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Al Bundy
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Oct 10, 2017 3:58pm
I think playing Kizer slows down the development of other players too. Hogan making better reads and being more accurate helps the young TE and receivers to develop. They have looked much better with Hogan vs. Kizer so far.vball10set;1876552 wrote:You make valid points, like Hogan giving us a better chance at (maybe) winning a game or two. My point is--does it really matter at this stage? I'd like to have a QB for more than a year, and benching a guy every game isn't helping moving forward. If Kizer is their guy, and he fails, then we need to draft another QB. If he isn't in their plans, then cut bait now. However, let's give the guy a full season without looking over his shoulder after every series and see if he has long term promise. And, if the FO believes Hogan is the answer, then give him the same courtesy.
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kizer permanente
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Oct 10, 2017 4:27pm
Here's my issue with starting Hogan.... it's one thing for a backup to come in for a few drives and do something. It's completely different when the defense gameplans you and is ready for you. When you have a qb like Hogan who is only going to throw a bunch of button hooks and screens and and slants, the defense is going to have a lot easier of a time and youre not going to have success. Hogan can't throw an out route. CANT. he won't have success with go routes or post route because he doesn't have the arm to get it there without floating it there. It'll be the same shit we've had to suffer thru since our return. How much have we cried about dink and dunk offenses, and now were begging for it. It didn't work then. It isn't working now. The only thing it will accomplish is finally shut everyone up calling for Hogan.
Commander of Awesome
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Oct 10, 2017 4:46pm
Proof that Hogan can't hit an outroute?kizer permanente;1876585 wrote:Here's my issue with starting Hogan.... it's one thing for a backup to come in for a few drives and do something. It's completely different when the defense gameplans you and is ready for you. When you have a qb like Hogan who is only going to throw a bunch of button hooks and screens and and slants, the defense is going to have a lot easier of a time and youre not going to have success. Hogan can't throw an out route. CANT. he won't have success with go routes or post route because he doesn't have the arm to get it there without floating it there. It'll be the same shit we've had to suffer thru since our return. How much have we cried about dink and dunk offenses, and now were begging for it. It didn't work then. It isn't working now. The only thing it will accomplish is finally shut everyone up calling for Hogan.
Looks decent to me:
https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/917100589179432960
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kizer permanente
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Oct 10, 2017 4:53pm
That's a corner. Do we need to have school on our routes lol.Commander of Awesome;1876594 wrote:Proof that Hogan can't hit an outroute?
Looks decent to me:
https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/917100589179432960
And FYI...I know you're an advanced metrics guy.. do you think they'd rule that an accurate throw or not?
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kizer permanente
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Oct 10, 2017 5:05pm
Corners will be easier for Hogan since you need some touch on it. Outs can't have air under it or they get taken for pick 6's. Hogan doesn't have an arm for a 20-30 yard out. He just doesn't. Quick outs... probably. I think he can get a 5-10 yard out.
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kizer permanente
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Oct 10, 2017 5:07pm
The clip I showed of kizer throwing that S&l wasn't impressed with is a 30 yard out. Hogan can't make that throw.
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Gardens35
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Oct 10, 2017 10:50pm
Josh Gordon drops a dime on Baylor.
SportsAndLady
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Oct 10, 2017 11:33pm
It was an impressive throw. His only one.kizer permanente;1876603 wrote:The clip I showed of kizer throwing that S&l wasn't impressed with is a 30 yard out. Hogan can't make that throw.
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kizer permanente
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Oct 11, 2017 6:16am
I'll agree. He's had waaaaay too many terrible throws compared to his wow throws.SportsAndLady;1876690 wrote:It was an impressive throw. His only one.
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BR1986FB
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Oct 11, 2017 7:26am
I'm torn on that interview with Gordon. You want to root for the guy to turn things around but I still get the deflecting/blame everyone else tone from that interview. At the end he takes some accountability but he comes across more like "I'm doing this because I'm broke and I need to get paid" more than "I've learned my lesson and want to change my life." At least to me, that's how it sounds.Gardens35;1876684 wrote:Josh Gordon drops a dime on Baylor.
like_that
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Oct 11, 2017 7:29am
Being broke and hitting rock bottom can force people to make changes in their lives.BR1986FB;1876703 wrote:I'm torn on that interview with Gordon. You want to root for the guy to turn things around but I still get the deflecting/blame everyone else tone from that interview. At the end he takes some accountability but he comes across more like "I'm doing this because I'm broke and I need to get paid" more than "I've learned my lesson and want to change my life." At least to me, that's how it sounds.
He’s a dumbass, but I still think he got a raw deal from Goodell and the NFL considering the shit we see players get suspended for. He has pretty much killed Gordon’s career for smoking a plant that is legal in some NFL cities and taking a sip of beer.
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BR1986FB
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Oct 11, 2017 7:42am
If you listened to that interview, Gordon was doing a helluva lot more than just smoking weed. He mentions coke, purple drank, etc.like_that;1876705 wrote:Being broke and hitting rock bottom can force people to make changes in their lives.
He’s a dumbass, but I still think he got a raw deal from Goodell and the NFL considering the shit we see players get suspended for. He has pretty much killed Gordon’s career for smoking a plant that is legal in some NFL cities and taking a sip of beer.
Crimson streak
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Oct 11, 2017 8:56am
Yeah he definitely has a serious addiction problem. Hopefully he can turn it aroundBR1986FB;1876708 wrote:If you listened to that interview, Gordon was doing a helluva lot more than just smoking weed. He mentions coke, purple drank, etc.
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BR1986FB
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Oct 11, 2017 9:23am
Hogan named the starter. Hue in full on "save my ass" mode.
Mulva
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Oct 11, 2017 9:46am
Hue hasn’t done a single thing to indicate to me that he isn’t a terrible head coach, but I don’t fault this move. You can’t play an unplayable player. This is professional football, improve or sit your ass on the bench.
like_that
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Oct 11, 2017 9:50am
Still need to listen to it, but his punishment wasn't for the aforementioned.BR1986FB;1876708 wrote:If you listened to that interview, Gordon was doing a helluva lot more than just smoking weed. He mentions coke, purple drank, etc.
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BR1986FB
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Oct 11, 2017 9:53am
I thought one of them was for testing positive for codeine (purple drank)? Thought he used the excuse he was sick or something?like_that;1876722 wrote:Still need to listen to it, but his punishment wasn't for the aforementioned.