ernest_t_bass
Posts: 24,984
Sep 24, 2017 9:47pm
Sports are now politics. They are no longer a release of the mundane shit in our life. We can't tune in to sports to escape the shit that is happening b/c sports (mainly NFL right now) are used as a platform for those involved. The latest: the National Anthem.
What is everyone's take on what is going on around the sports world, especially now that idiot Trump has run his mouth?
1) Shut up Trump
2) I'm all for freedom of speech...
- However... I view professional sports as a business. If the business owner is OK with the employee taking a knee, then it's up to the business owner.
THat's all I have the energy to type on the subject right now.
Your Thoughts?
What is everyone's take on what is going on around the sports world, especially now that idiot Trump has run his mouth?
1) Shut up Trump
2) I'm all for freedom of speech...
- However... I view professional sports as a business. If the business owner is OK with the employee taking a knee, then it's up to the business owner.
THat's all I have the energy to type on the subject right now.
Your Thoughts?
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superman
Posts: 3,582
Sep 24, 2017 10:00pm
Agreed.
Both sides are stupid.
Both sides are stupid.
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friendfromlowry
Posts: 6,239
Sep 24, 2017 10:12pm
I don't personally care. They're welcome to their opinions and viewpoints. Sports may be our escape from the real world but for these guys it's their lives so I don't expect them to go out there and act like robots for our sake. Trump has said some pretty boneheaded things but getting involved with sports has to take the cake. Can't believe there isn't anyone at his side warning him how out of touch he comes across. Or maybe there is and he doesn't GAF.
FatHobbit
Posts: 8,651
Sep 24, 2017 10:15pm
I'm a little torn here. I DO think it's disrespectful of all who have died preserving our freedom.
On the other hand one of those freedoms is freedom of speech. I think the first amendment is very important and I also think the founding fathers meant for the first amendment to be used to complain about injustice by the govt. Complaining about your govt is exactly what they created it for. I do not like looting and rioting every time a group disagrees with someone being arrested, or shot by police, or a govt decision. So I guess I have no issue with a silent protest.
On the other hand one of those freedoms is freedom of speech. I think the first amendment is very important and I also think the founding fathers meant for the first amendment to be used to complain about injustice by the govt. Complaining about your govt is exactly what they created it for. I do not like looting and rioting every time a group disagrees with someone being arrested, or shot by police, or a govt decision. So I guess I have no issue with a silent protest.
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friendfromlowry
Posts: 6,239
Sep 24, 2017 10:17pm
I do think it'd be interesting to have these guys specify exactly why the're protesting, whether it be police brutality, president Trump, social injustices (like?), supporting other teammates, etc.
MontyBrunswick
Posts: 846
Sep 24, 2017 10:22pm
its not impacting the product on the field so nobody cares.
iclfan2
Posts: 6,360
Sep 24, 2017 10:26pm
I think they barked up the wrong tree protesting the national anthem. The message is unclear (racism, if so don't include Michael Brown, etc), and all it has been doing is angering the fan base. Should have thought of a diff way to get whatever point it is across.
Having said that, I think trump is a dipshit and none of these players should be fired for it. Also, if Kapernick was good he'd be playing so stfu cry babies about it
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Having said that, I think trump is a dipshit and none of these players should be fired for it. Also, if Kapernick was good he'd be playing so stfu cry babies about it
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BRF
Posts: 8,748
Sep 24, 2017 10:32pm
It's hard for me to support someone who doesn't stand for the anthem while making multi-million dollars to play a sport.
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Sep 24, 2017 10:51pm
Freedom of speech pertains only to the government and prosecution, it does not extend to the workplace. No business is their right mind would tolerate an employee(s) upsetting/alienating even 1 or 2 customers, let alone tolerate alienating half their customer base. This is entirely the NFL's fault, specifically the owners and the commissioner who have had over a year to address this and issue an employee code of conduct prohibiting political activism on company time. That the Commissioner has failed to act on this in the interest in the game (his primary responsibility) should earn him an immediate pink slip.
I am in no way justifiying the remarks of the President, but the fact that he even made them illustrates that the owners have lost control of their business....allowing outside political forces to affect the game and the fans , their customers.
I am in no way justifiying the remarks of the President, but the fact that he even made them illustrates that the owners have lost control of their business....allowing outside political forces to affect the game and the fans , their customers.
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friendfromlowry
Posts: 6,239
Sep 24, 2017 10:59pm
I think this is a solid opinion to have but to play devil's advocate, plenty of these guys grew up in hardships you probably never encountered, either.BRF;1873171 wrote:It's hard for me to support someone who doesn't stand for the anthem while making multi-million dollars to play a sport.
BRF
Posts: 8,748
Sep 24, 2017 11:05pm
friendfromlowry;1873175 wrote:I think this is a solid opinion to have but to play devil's advocate, plenty of these guys grew up in hardships you probably never encountered, either.
And as a devil's advocate, I would say how would you know this? You know about any hardships of mine?
Surely you would agree that an NFL player has had his ass kissed for a long time to get to where they are.
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Sep 24, 2017 11:05pm
While that it entirely true, the anthem and the flag don't represent the causes of those hardships. They do represent our values and commitment to freedom, liberty and the rights of man. They also represent the blood that has been shed in pursuit of those goals. They are unifying symbols, not political footballs.friendfromlowry;1873175 wrote:I think this is a solid opinion to have but to play devil's advocate, plenty of these guys grew up in hardships you probably never encountered, either.
FatHobbit
Posts: 8,651
Sep 24, 2017 11:09pm
Also, there are a shit ton of flag code violations that everyone ignores every day.
FatHobbit
Posts: 8,651
Sep 24, 2017 11:10pm
And if people feel these values are not applied to them or other people like them? To me, it's no different than an Olympic athlete raising a fist on the medal podium.HitsRus;1873177 wrote:While that it entirely true, the anthem and the flag don't represent the causes of those hardships. They do represent our values and commitment to freedom, liberty and the rights of man. They also represent the blood that has been shed in pursuit of those goals. They are unifying symbols, not political footballs.
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friendfromlowry
Posts: 6,239
Sep 24, 2017 11:23pm
I do not know about your hardships. My point was, you don't have to go far to see someone label them as whiny, spoiled, millionaires, etc. that can't relate to us hard working folk. They weren't always millionaires.BRF;1873176 wrote:And as a devil's advocate, I would say how would you know this? You know about any hardships of mine?
Surely you would agree that an NFL player has had his ass kissed for a long time to get to where they are.
And I would disagree about the ass kissing. Nearly half the guys that start out on the training camp roster end up cut. Or cut get next season. Or get traded or released because they're old or make too much money or want to make too much money.
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Sep 24, 2017 11:29pm
FatHobbit;1873180 wrote:And if people feel these values are not applied to them or other people like them? To me, it's no different than an Olympic athlete raising a fist on the medal podium.
Then suck it up as a condition of employment. There are plenty of venues in which to apply your political activism. If it's bad for the business which pays your bills and feeds your family, STFU.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Sep 24, 2017 11:38pm
Yep, the NFL is sure being hurt by these protests lol.HitsRus;1873182 wrote:Then suck it up as a condition of employment. There are plenty of venues in which to apply your political activism. If it's bad for the business which pays your bills and feeds your family, STFU.
How thin-skinned does someone have to be that a player kneeling for anthem offends them and actively makes them angry?
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friendfromlowry
Posts: 6,239
Sep 24, 2017 11:42pm
Also, coincidence or not that it took Trump to bring it up for all the redneck idiot republicans on my Facebook newsfeed (who probably don't even watch football to begin with) to complain about it?
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Sep 24, 2017 11:43pm
Yea, I don't get it.Laley23;1873183 wrote:Yep, the NFL is sure being hurt by these protests lol.
How thin-skinned does someone have to be that a player kneeling for anthem offends them and actively makes them angry?
Who cares that they are silently protesting? I mean honestly, why the fuck does anyone actually care?
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Sep 24, 2017 11:43pm
I don't know, but apparently it does. Would your boss allow you to take politics into your job?Laley23;1873183 wrote:Yep, the NFL is sure being hurt by these protests lol.
How thin-skinned does someone have to be that a player kneeling for anthem offends them and actively makes them angry?
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Sep 24, 2017 11:47pm
Does that matter? Their bosses don't have a problem with it, which is all that matters.HitsRus;1873186 wrote:I don't know, but apparently it does. Would your boss allow you to take politics into your job?
And can we stop with the "millionaire" talk. 99% of these protests are not about them, but about those without a platform or voice. What is wrong with peacefully protesting for something you believe in? Whether it's them or not, they are giving a voice to millions of people who otherwise go unheard.
And for the record, I have no idea if my boss would care. But I doubt it.
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Sep 24, 2017 11:49pm
Geez, where you been? This has been going on a year.friendfromlowry;1873184 wrote:Also, coincidence or not that it took Trump to bring it up for all the redneck idiot republicans on my Facebook newsfeed (who probably don't even watch football to begin with) to complain about it?
Trump is a dolt. His comments play to that. Why does the NFL allow their business to be used?
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Sep 24, 2017 11:51pm
He would if it negatively affected his business.And for the record, I have no idea if my boss would care. But I doubt it.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Sep 24, 2017 11:52pm
The NFL is not being negatively effected. Stop with that narrative.HitsRus;1873190 wrote:He would if it negatively affected his business.
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friendfromlowry
Posts: 6,239
Sep 24, 2017 11:54pm
I'm aware it's been going on for a year. Check the NFL threads - I've posted about it plenty. But up until yesterday it was a very small percentage doing it that you probably couldn't even name off the top of your head outside of Kaepernick and Lynch. Now you have entire teams sitting it out.HitsRus;1873189 wrote:Geez, where you been? This has been going on a year.
Trump is a dolt. His comments play to that. Why does the NFL allow their business to be used?