Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Oct 16, 2017 5:18pm
I'm assuming they discussed the shitstorm that resulted from his first kneel and said "fuck this guy, he's out." Total speculation on my part, but not entirely unbelievable.like_that;1877579 wrote:What does an organization have to gain from blocking Kaep from joining another team?
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Oct 16, 2017 5:27pm
Which is why I am asking what a team gains from preventing him from signing with another team. He is a shitty QB that would bring that team an unnecessary distraction from a backup QB. If I am a rival franchise, I would be all for him signing with my rival.gut;1877583 wrote:Well, if you believe he'll make your team better, you'll sign him. He's a stop-gap QB, at best, and that's just not worth the circus he brings (not to mention his other issues with teammates and in the locker room).
Plus, why would they care if he kneels? Up until Trump shot his mouth off, the NFL didn't seem to care or to not support the players doing that.
OSH
Posts: 4,145
Oct 17, 2017 9:56am
If it's the same incident that I know took place, the team has a 24-person leadership group that helped decide what the team would do. The group decided the team would stand. Player decided to kneel by himself. His decision, he will live with the punishment.ernest_t_bass;1877318 wrote:Some players from a local college team (read in paper) took a knee last week during anthem. What are everyone's thoughts on that? It's not a business, and this is a D3 school, so they're not on "athletic" scholarship.
On another note, "semantics" come in play tonight: NFL manual says "should stand" while NBA says players "are to stand." Words are important. Wonder what we'll see...
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
Oct 17, 2017 10:23am
Why the need for the team decision on something that has nothing to do with the sport itself?OSH;1877658 wrote:If it's the same incident that I know took place, the team has a 24-person leadership group that helped decide what the team would do. The group decided the team would stand. Player decided to kneel by himself. His decision, he will live with the punishment.
On another note, "semantics" come in play tonight: NFL manual says "should stand" while NBA says players "are to stand." Words are important. Wonder what we'll see...
OSH
Posts: 4,145
Oct 17, 2017 10:30am
True. Why have any team rules? Those have nothing to do with the team. That would work out great.queencitybuckeye;1877659 wrote:Why the need for the team decision on something that has nothing to do with the sport itself?
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
Oct 17, 2017 11:06am
Silly comeback.OSH;1877660 wrote:True. Why have any team rules? Those have nothing to do with the team. That would work out great.
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friendfromlowry
Posts: 6,239
Oct 17, 2017 11:11am
I always wondered if Kaep's asking price is what deterred teams.
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gut
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Oct 17, 2017 11:46am
Hadn't thought of that. But safe to say, at this point, he might be happy with a 1-yr vet min deal (still make like $1M)?friendfromlowry;1877665 wrote:I always wondered if Kaep's asking price is what deterred teams.
I think the bigger issue was he supposedly was kind of a locker room cancer...didn't get along with coaches or teammates in SF, and then asked for a trade - TO or Randy Moss might get away with that but Kaep isn't close to being in their league.
OSH
Posts: 4,145
Oct 17, 2017 11:49am
Silly statement deserves equally silly comeback. Do better.queencitybuckeye;1877664 wrote:Silly comeback.
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superman
Posts: 3,582
Oct 17, 2017 11:55am
He seems to be actively sabotaging his own career. He wore the Castro shirt after talking to Miami, his gf called the Ravens owner a slave owner and called Ray Lewis a house ******, etc. He is like Pete Rose. Pete doesn't really want into the HOF. It is more profitable for him to be a martyr. Kaep knows if he gets signed and actually has to play, he will be exposed and the jig is upfriendfromlowry;1877665 wrote:I always wondered if Kaep's asking price is what deterred teams.
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Oct 17, 2017 12:05pm
Ummmm, he may be getting plenty of exposure but I don't think he's making much money off this "jig".superman;1877680 wrote:Kaep knows if he gets signed and actually has to play, he will be exposed and the jig is up
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
Oct 17, 2017 12:20pm
Not a silly statement at all. Just rah-rah team bullshit.OSH;1877677 wrote:Silly statement deserves equally silly comeback. Do better.
OSH
Posts: 4,145
Oct 17, 2017 1:24pm
Yeah, okay.queencitybuckeye;1877686 wrote:Not a silly statement at all. Just rah-rah team bullshit.
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Oct 17, 2017 1:40pm
Reps for that!O-Trap;1877580 wrote:I dunno. Pretty sure Blaine Gabbert appreciated the distraction from his piss poor play.
Reminds me of Bull Durham.
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I agree with all that say he's not worth the poison that he brings. No team, no coach wants to deal with the sideshow that Kap has become/ brought on himself. There's no collusion here....just common sense. Cost/benefit ratio here is below zero.
MontyBrunswick
Posts: 846
Oct 17, 2017 2:48pm
smh not my president!!!!!!! letting it all unravel!!!!!!!
ernest_t_bass
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Oct 17, 2017 4:49pm
MontyBrunswick;1877718 wrote:smh not my president!!!!!!! letting it all unravel!!!!!!!
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superman
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Oct 17, 2017 5:41pm
I bet he is.gut;1877682 wrote:Ummmm, he may be getting plenty of exposure but I don't think he's making much money off this "jig".
Soros has some deep pockets.
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BoatShoes
Posts: 5,703
Oct 18, 2017 11:35am
Kaep can't be worse than the Browns QB's but I'd rather they tank than pick him up and add to the weekly horror show.
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
Oct 18, 2017 3:43pm
For a team to pick up a player and get so much flack and a media circus he better be able to back it up with wins and more wins, teams will tolerate distractions and poor behavior if he can bring wins.
Thinf is....wasn't he benched before taking on this fantastic career decision?
Thinf is....wasn't he benched before taking on this fantastic career decision?
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Oct 18, 2017 4:20pm
Kaep would be a stop-gap, at best. A back-up in most places. Teams don't tolerate the baggage, in any sport, if the guy isn't a major contributor.
As for CLE (and other teams with a similar QB situation) - you don't bring in Kaep just because your young QB is struggling. Kaep is not the future, he's a stop-gap. Bringing him in would be about the worst thing you could do with a young QB. You've made an investment in that guy, and you're going to give him probably 3 years to prove himself.
Sure, on the surface it looks like collusion (even if that makes little sense) and you could argue he should be 2nd/3rd string on just about every team, and possibly starting for even a few teams. But the QB position is different. Teams are looking for stability, a long-term solution.
As for CLE (and other teams with a similar QB situation) - you don't bring in Kaep just because your young QB is struggling. Kaep is not the future, he's a stop-gap. Bringing him in would be about the worst thing you could do with a young QB. You've made an investment in that guy, and you're going to give him probably 3 years to prove himself.
Sure, on the surface it looks like collusion (even if that makes little sense) and you could argue he should be 2nd/3rd string on just about every team, and possibly starting for even a few teams. But the QB position is different. Teams are looking for stability, a long-term solution.
O-Trap
Posts: 14,994
Oct 18, 2017 4:36pm
And it ultimately even caught up with TO. He was out of the league before his talent had waned enough to justify it. He'd just developed too much of a reputation as an off-the-field problem child.gut;1877675 wrote:Hadn't thought of that. But safe to say, at this point, he might be happy with a 1-yr vet min deal (still make like $1M)?
I think the bigger issue was he supposedly was kind of a locker room cancer...didn't get along with coaches or teammates in SF, and then asked for a trade - TO or Randy Moss might get away with that but Kaep isn't close to being in their league.
And Kaepernick isn't even CLOSE to the same level as TO, who could make a case as being the best combination of size and talent at the position (purely on talent, I think you've still gotta give it to Rice). He's going to have a MUCH shorter leash.
In a general sense, I think this is true. However, I do think there examples of exceptions that make this a less-than-universal truth for NFL teams.gut;1877899 wrote:Kaep would be a stop-gap, at best. A back-up in most places. Teams don't tolerate the baggage, in any sport, if the guy isn't a major contributor.
As for CLE (and other teams with a similar QB situation) - you don't bring in Kaep just because your young QB is struggling. Kaep is not the future, he's a stop-gap. Bringing him in would be about the worst thing you could do with a young QB. You've made an investment in that guy, and you're going to give him probably 3 years to prove himself.
Sure, on the surface it looks like collusion (even if that makes little sense) and you could argue he should be 2nd/3rd string on just about every team, and possibly starting for even a few teams. But the QB position is different. Teams are looking for stability, a long-term solution.
Exhibit A: Ryan Fitzpatrick's career.
Make no mistake, I love Fitzpatrick's grit, but the man has basically made a career out of being a stop-gap, and yet teams continue to pick him up.
Having said that, I think Fitzpatrick > Kaepernick.
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
Oct 18, 2017 4:59pm
Green Bay rental?
O-Trap
Posts: 14,994
Oct 18, 2017 5:23pm
Meh, maybe. I mean, at the moment, that's the ONLY team I could see taking a flier on him. And I still don't think the odds are good.queencitybuckeye;1877902 wrote:Green Bay rental?
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Oct 18, 2017 6:03pm
Watch McCarthys reaction when a reporter asks him about kaep. That will answer your question.queencitybuckeye;1877902 wrote:Green Bay rental?
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gut
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Oct 18, 2017 6:04pm
Without the baggage, which is really the difference.O-Trap;1877900 wrote: Having said that, I think Fitzpatrick > Kaepernick.
Also I'd add that, as opposed to TO (who was just a clown), Kaep is actually someone in this day and age that could divide your locker room. Play ball - no one wants to worry about who's politics are what or being offended/tolerating someone who doesn't share your view.