It's becoming increasingly clear Trump is not a Republican. That doesn't make him a Democrat, but clearly he and the Repubs are not on the same page.Commander of Awesome;1870346 wrote:I saw twitter outraged today about something Trump did with the debt ceiling but I didn't look into it. Ran out of SMH for the day.
It's definitely a strange world for politics right now. Not just here, but over in Europe, too.gut;1870349 wrote:It's becoming increasingly clear Trump is not a Republican. That doesn't make him a Democrat, but clearly he and the Repubs are not on the same page.
But it is interesting seeing conservatives like Rush side with Trump.
Im glad you made this thread just for me, but I'm neither a Trump fan, nor a Nazi (neither is he BTW)...just a moderately conservative Republican (because the alternative is so much worse and rapidly going socialist). We are, despite reports by the leftist media, not equivocal with white supremacists, Nazis, or even Trump himself!Commander of Awesome;1870333 wrote:lol, wow. Yeah I wasn't hiding that it was Obama. Thanks for the link, but I quoted form his exact speech today. From the Fox News (lol) exert, that makes sense with the 2 yr renewal measure that HE WROTE in. Jesus HitRUs, this thread was made for you.
Heard a good argument for why DACA was announced when it was (along with States threatening legal action).
https://twitter.com/PodSaveAmerica/status/905526586195238913
I generally agree with this. I would wager nothing is done in Congress and it goes away. Will be interesting to see if I'm right.
You see Hits, CoA has joined the left wing mantra that if you don't happen to agree 100% with everything they believe then you are a white supremacist/Nazi/bigot/homophobe/xenophobe/etc. Pick your "deplorable".HitsRus;1870434 wrote:Im glad you made this thread just for me, but I'm neither a Trump fan, nor a Nazi (neither is he BTW)...just a moderately conservative Republican (because the alternative is so much worse and rapidly going socialist). We are, despite reports by the leftist media, not equivocal with white supremacists, Nazis, or even Trump himself!
Just trying to keep it real and hoping to help people like you from being radicalized and going off the deep edge.
I bottom lined Trump's action for you. DACA remains functioning. Congress has 6 months to pass much needed immigration reform/law. If it fails, then the current president will have the prerogative to pass an executive order to keep the government immigration system functioning within the scope of existing law.
In the meantime, please write/express to your congressman/congresswoman your views on immigration so they can properly represent their constituents.
That's the way a republic works!
Making law is reserved to the people. The executive is charged with implementing it and keeping the government functioning within the context of it. The executive does not make law on anything but a temporary basis to keep the government functioning.
That's not true, not even close.jmog;1870445 wrote:You see Hits, CoA has joined the left wing mantra that if you don't happen to agree 100% with everything they believe then you are a white supremacist/Nazi/bigot/homophobe/xenophobe/etc. Pick your "deplorable".
Bro, come on man. I've never said you're a nazi or even a trump supporter. Not sure why you're so quick to jump to that. What I see you as is a right wing apologist. You're making excuses that you pick up from Fox News that seem reasonable. I get that. It's already been explained by that DACA excuse doesn't work, you've chosen to ignore it and chant your party line.HitsRus;1870434 wrote:Im glad you made this thread just for me, but I'm neither a Trump fan, nor a Nazi (neither is he BTW)...just a moderately conservative Republican (because the alternative is so much worse and rapidly going socialist). We are, despite reports by the leftist media, not equivocal with white supremacists, Nazis, or even Trump himself!
Just trying to keep it real and hoping to help people like you from being radicalized and going off the deep edge.
I bottom lined Trump's action for you. DACA remains functioning. Congress has 6 months to pass much needed immigration reform/law. If it fails, then the current president will have the prerogative to pass an executive order to keep the government immigration system functioning within the scope of existing law.
In the meantime, please write/express to your congressman/congresswoman your views on immigration so they can properly represent their constituents.
That's the way a republic works!
Making law is reserved to the people. The executive is charged with implementing it and keeping the government functioning within the context of it. The executive does not make law on anything but a temporary basis to keep the government functioning.
DUUUUUUUDDDDEEEE, come the fuck on man. Obama isn't the first president to use executive order, JFC.HitsRus;1870554 wrote:Stoppppppp.... I'm talking about DACA, and I said to evaluate each action on its own merits. Obama himself used the excuse that other presidents, Republican and Democrat had done similar actions.... Similar....BHO used precedent to expand that type of action even further. So the problem here is that he has advanced the power of the executive to create law...a precedent that now can be used by another executive (including Trump).
Executive actions are a necessary part of government but it's just not the number, but the type and how and why it is used.
Obama explained the intent of his action was temporary when he implemented it. I couldn't care less how he justifies it now.
That you are so far up his butt, and riled that Trump had the audacity to send this rightfully back to congress, demonstrates just how caught up you are in TDS.
Really. One question....why shouldn't this be back in Congress, the constitutionally rightful place for legislation?
That's what I said (again).Executive actions are a necessary part of government but it's just not the number, but the type and how and why it is used
"hosted by the anti-LGBT Family Research Council"iclfan2;1876804 wrote:Being pro-religion doesn't make you anti-LBGT. That's a very broad brush.
That doesn't change my opinion. That is their stance on homosexuality, that isn't why they are a group in the first place. It isn't an Anti-LGBT group, it is a religious group that disagrees with homosexuality. They didn't come together and form a company for the sole purpose of going against homosexuals.Commander of Awesome;1876806 wrote:"hosted by the anti-LGBT Family Research Council"
http://www.frc.org/homosexuality
"Family Research Council believes that homosexual conduct is harmful to the persons who engage in it and to society at large, and can never be affirmed. It is by definition unnatural, and as such is associated with negative physical and psychological health effects."
Yeah.......
iclfan2;1876807 wrote:That doesn't change my opinion. That is their stance on homosexuality, that isn't why they are a group in the first place. It isn't an Anti-LGBT group, it is a religious group that disagrees with homosexuality. They didn't come together and form a company for the sole purpose of going against homosexuals.
True. I can be disgusted with QO on any thread; don't need a specific one to call out that blind apologist!O-Trap;1877024 wrote:Gee, I'm so glad this topic is back after a month.
Despite the numerous reports to the contrary as well as eye witness accounts. You're correct, won't stop Trump from claiming otherwise.Automatik;1877571 wrote:I'm sure this is just fake news, like when Trump spoke at a noted hate group rally. (also most likely fake newz)
LMAO. A politician living a complete lie just to make a career by winning votes. Shocker.Heretic;1882077 wrote:LOL!
https://www.yahoo.com/news/anti-lgbt-lawmaker-resigns-being-140200984.html
Heretic;1882077 wrote:LOL!
https://www.yahoo.com/news/anti-lgbt-lawmaker-resigns-being-140200984.html
That’s fucking pathetic lolHeretic;1882077 wrote:LOL!
https://www.yahoo.com/news/anti-lgbt-lawmaker-resigns-being-140200984.html