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ironman02
Posts: 4,989
Aug 29, 2017 10:47pm
https://weather.com/storms/hurricane/news/tropical-storm-harvey-forecast-texas-louisiana-arkansas[FONT=&]
Here are the latest rainfall totals through 11 p.m. CDT Tuesday, all in Texas unless otherwise specified:[/FONT]
Here are the latest rainfall totals through 11 p.m. CDT Tuesday, all in Texas unless otherwise specified:[/FONT]
- 51.88 inches on Cedar Bayou near Highlands, Texas (Preliminary Lower 48 tropical cyclone record)
- 49.32 inches on Mary's Creek near Friendswood (Preliminary Lower 48 tropical cyclone record)
- 46.08 inches in Dayton
- 43.00 inches in South Houston
- 42.58 inches in Pasadena
- 41.66 inches in League City
- 41.52 inches in Clear Lake City
- 37.40 inches in Baytown
- 33.88 inches at Houston Hobby Airport
- 31.18 inches at Houston Bush Intercontinental Airport
- 21.94 inches in Galveston
- 21.88 inches in Smithville
- 19.64 inches in College Station
- 13.25 inches near Lake Charles, Louisiana
- 12.33 inches near Hackberry, Louisiana
- 10.07 inches at Austin's Robert Mueller Municipal Airport
- 9.37 inches near Victoria
- 6.50 inches in Lafayette, Louisiana
- 6.23 inches near Corpus Christi
- 3.65 inches at New Orleans/Lakefront
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Aug 29, 2017 11:07pm
Hindsight is 20/20. There have been plenty of times where a hurricane was expected to hit a city and it ended up missing almost entirely.gut;1869354 wrote:I wasn't aware of the timeline. I guess they only had a little less than a day between it being upgraded to Cat 2 and making landfall. So no practical or reasonable way they could have evacuated.
But hurricanes tend to change pretty dramatically before making landfall, sometimes largely dissipating and sometimes gather steam into a monster. If I was in the path of a potential hurricane, I'd get out of dodge.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Aug 30, 2017 7:58am
For perspective, Seattle has had the most rainfall in history this year...at 45 inches.ironman02;1869399 wrote:https://weather.com/storms/hurricane/news/tropical-storm-harvey-forecast-texas-louisiana-arkansas[FONT=&]
Here are the latest rainfall totals through 11 p.m. CDT Tuesday, all in Texas unless otherwise specified:[/FONT]
- 51.88 inches on Cedar Bayou near Highlands, Texas (Preliminary Lower 48 tropical cyclone record)
- 49.32 inches on Mary's Creek near Friendswood (Preliminary Lower 48 tropical cyclone record)
- 46.08 inches in Dayton
- 43.00 inches in South Houston
- 42.58 inches in Pasadena
- 41.66 inches in League City
- 41.52 inches in Clear Lake City
- 37.40 inches in Baytown
- 33.88 inches at Houston Hobby Airport
- 31.18 inches at Houston Bush Intercontinental Airport
- 21.94 inches in Galveston
- 21.88 inches in Smithville
- 19.64 inches in College Station
- 13.25 inches near Lake Charles, Louisiana
- 12.33 inches near Hackberry, Louisiana
- 10.07 inches at Austin's Robert Mueller Municipal Airport
- 9.37 inches near Victoria
- 6.50 inches in Lafayette, Louisiana
- 6.23 inches near Corpus Christi
- 3.65 inches at New Orleans/Lakefront
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Aug 30, 2017 10:31am
Bio-Hazzzzard;1869385 wrote:I understand where you were headed with this.
I have seen more devastation from a tropical storm than some hurricanes, not typical. Hard to determine the impact of these storms with sustained winds, and tornadoes are common. Best case scenario use your better judgment for yourself, if you feel the need to get the fuck out don't wait for government authorities to let you know what's best for you and your family.
Exactly, on all counts.
I have also seen the toll of a tropical storm that stalled out and became stationary; massive beach erosion and flooding; whereas hurricanes tend to be moving pretty fast, and move on quickly. This was obviously the 100 year exception.
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Aug 30, 2017 4:22pm
Which is pretty much what I said. Sometimes it's nothing, sometimes it's much worse than predicted. The downside on one-hand is 3 days of vacation...on the other it's death. Don't need to be a rocket scientist to know how to play those odds.SportsAndLady;1869403 wrote:Hindsight is 20/20. There have been plenty of times where a hurricane was expected to hit a city and it ended up missing almost entirely.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Aug 30, 2017 6:16pm
Not sure how else to say that a lot of people are unable to take "3 day vacations" especially on such short notice.gut;1869488 wrote:Which is pretty much what I said. Sometimes it's nothing, sometimes it's much worse than predicted. The downside on one-hand is 3 days of vacation...on the other it's death. Don't need to be a rocket scientist to know how to play those odds.
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Aug 30, 2017 6:28pm
I think most companies would make an exception for hurricanes - and personal days, which mostly have replaced sick days, are precisely for unscheduled emergencies. And you're not going to fire someone for bugging out because the public backlash would be severe.SportsAndLady;1869498 wrote:Not sure how else to say that a lot of people are unable to take "3 day vacations" especially on such short notice.
And if only people who can't leave stay, then you have a lot less people who can evacuate much more quickly.
salto
Posts: 2,611
Aug 30, 2017 6:52pm
People who live in Houston are use to flooding. Houston floods a lot, it's just normally not this bad.
(why not many left)
Houston's Flood Is a Design Problem
It’s not because the water comes in. It’s because it is forced to leave again.
https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2017/08/why-cities-flood/538251/
In Seattle, plenty of room for water to be absorbed by land.
(why not many left)
Houston's Flood Is a Design Problem
It’s not because the water comes in. It’s because it is forced to leave again.
https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2017/08/why-cities-flood/538251/
Not sure of your point, comparing Seattle to Houston. Seattle has about 1/4 the population, surrounded by mountains and also acres of parklands. Houston is much lower, at about one tenth of Seattle's elevation.Laley23;1869408 wrote:For perspective, Seattle has had the most rainfall in history this year...at 45 inches.
In Seattle, plenty of room for water to be absorbed by land.
Fab4Runner
Posts: 6,196
Aug 31, 2017 12:05pm
I believe he is saying that everyone knows Seattle is super rainy, but parts of Houston got more rain in a few days than Seattle has all year. Again, for perspective.salto;1869502 wrote:People who live in Houston are use to flooding. Houston floods a lot, it's just normally not this bad.
(why not many left)
Houston's Flood Is a Design Problem
It’s not because the water comes in. It’s because it is forced to leave again.
https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2017/08/why-cities-flood/538251/
Not sure of your point, comparing Seattle to Houston. Seattle has about 1/4 the population, surrounded by mountains and also acres of parklands. Houston is much lower, at about one tenth of Seattle's elevation.
In Seattle, plenty of room for water to be absorbed by land.
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friendfromlowry
Posts: 6,239
Aug 31, 2017 2:04pm
Can this thread also be about hurricane Irma? Sure hope it doesn't take the same path Harvey did.
salto
Posts: 2,611
Aug 31, 2017 3:12pm
Got it.Fab4Runner;1869567 wrote:I believe he is saying that everyone knows Seattle is super rainy, but parts of Houston got more rain in a few days than Seattle has all year. Again, for perspective.
Latest says Miami may be the next Houston/New Orleans.friendfromlowry;1869582 wrote:Can this thread also be about hurricane Irma? Sure hope it doesn't take the same path Harvey did.
Heretic
Posts: 18,820
Aug 31, 2017 3:30pm
I haven't really liked JJ Watt as a football player because he's always come off as this over-the-top "LOOK AT HOW HARD I WORK; I'M ALL ABOUT SERIOUS FOOTBALL!!!!!" douche, but he's raised over $10M for Houston so far, so kudos to him for that.
iclfan2
Posts: 6,360
Aug 31, 2017 3:37pm
It is way to early to have any inkling of where Irma is going past Monday/ Tuesday. Category 4 is gonna mess some shit up if it keeps it up though.salto;1869590 wrote:Latest says Miami may be the next Houston/New Orleans.
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Aug 31, 2017 3:51pm
Al Gore already sees fish swimming in the streets....and that's just your typical Sunday!salto;1869590 wrote: Latest says Miami may be the next Houston/New Orleans.
fish82
Posts: 4,111
Aug 31, 2017 4:21pm
The wind strength was never the issue. The biblical rainfall was foretasted 5+ days in advance. They knew well beforehand that the storm was going to stall out over the city.Laley23;1869351 wrote:Again, why evacuate for a thunderstorm?
It was category 1 and escalated to category 4 in under 36 hours...
salto
Posts: 2,611
Aug 31, 2017 5:20pm
Trump and his newest toy (HAARP) will steer Irma directly towards Miami.iclfan2;1869601 wrote:It is way to early to have any inkling of where Irma is going past Monday/ Tuesday. Category 4 is gonna mess some shit up if it keeps it up though.
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salto
Posts: 2,611
Aug 31, 2017 7:35pm
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Spock
Posts: 2,853
Aug 31, 2017 8:10pm
and your bong water logged brain actually believes this shit.salto;1869623 wrote:[video=youtube;ZUIiRHrUbpE][/video]
salto
Posts: 2,611
Aug 31, 2017 8:25pm
Figures you'd be the first to comment, believing that.Spock;1869634 wrote:and your bong water logged brain actually believes this shit.
FYI - HAARP is shut down and all the weather manipulation happens at Norway's EISCAT, which is much more powerful than HAARP.
Classyposter58
Posts: 6,321
Aug 31, 2017 8:33pm
Houston didn't get hit by the hurricane really, it was the rain banding that crushed it. The deadly winds were around Corpus Christi, but Houston shouldn't have been evacuated as there was no way of knowing that intense banding would drop that much rain
salto
Posts: 2,611
Aug 31, 2017 8:33pm
Trump knew.Classyposter58;1869641 wrote:Houston didn't get hit by the hurricane really, it was the rain banding that crushed it. The deadly winds were around Corpus Christi, but Houston shouldn't have been evacuated as there was no way of knowing that intense banding would drop that much rain
fish82
Posts: 4,111
Sep 1, 2017 8:45am
Whether Houston should have been evacuated is certainly debatable, but the "catastrophic rain event" was forecasted 3-5 days in advance. The storm behaved exactly as the advance predictions stated.Classyposter58;1869641 wrote:Houston didn't get hit by the hurricane really, it was the rain banding that crushed it. The deadly winds were around Corpus Christi, but Houston shouldn't have been evacuated as there was no way of knowing that intense banding would drop that much rain
Spock
Posts: 2,853
Sep 1, 2017 9:34am
Politicians should have made a bigger deal of this. But on the other hand there is always stupid people that stay.
MontyBrunswick
Posts: 846
Sep 1, 2017 10:26am
Like Trump!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Spock;1869702 wrote:Politicians should have made a bigger deal of this.
Spock
Posts: 2,853
Sep 1, 2017 11:02am
no. the local ones that are actually in charge of emergency services. The whole idea that the Prez should or could do anything is ridiculousMontyBrunswick;1869708 wrote:Like Trump!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!