ptown_trojans_1
Posts: 7,632
Aug 18, 2017 10:39am
We lived with China doing that exact thing...majorspark;1866994 wrote:Is it in our national security interest too not allow a third less stable nation to primarily target their nuclear arsenal on our major cities? Why should we not very aggressively combat this?
We have to face the fact that North Korea and the U.S. is now in a deterrence relationship. They are not giving up their nukes. They are not giving up their missiles and they are not going away. Trying to say they have to denuclearize is a non-starter and futile.
It sucks and the result is a failure of U.S. policy from Rs and Ds over the last 30 years.
Spock
Posts: 2,853
Aug 18, 2017 10:44am
THere is very few options on the table now with NK:
1. We go in and actually sit at a table with Kim and use diplomacy.
2. We go in and take him out.
3. We ignore him and let the regional powers take him on.
1. We go in and actually sit at a table with Kim and use diplomacy.
2. We go in and take him out.
3. We ignore him and let the regional powers take him on.
ptown_trojans_1
Posts: 7,632
Aug 18, 2017 10:54am
Only option 1 is feasible. Option 2 will result in too many dead/ you have to know damn sure what comes next/ after Kim. As long as we have troops in South Korea, option 3 makes no sense.Spock;1867511 wrote:THere is very few options on the table now with NK:
1. We go in and actually sit at a table with Kim and use diplomacy.
2. We go in and take him out.
3. We ignore him and let the regional powers take him on.
Spock
Posts: 2,853
Aug 18, 2017 7:22pm
1 would be good but no president isn't doing that without conditions and that asshole isn't making concessions. He is a utter meglamaniac.ptown_trojans_1;1867516 wrote:Only option 1 is feasible. Option 2 will result in too many dead/ you have to know damn sure what comes next/ after Kim. As long as we have troops in South Korea, option 3 makes no sense.
Heretic
Posts: 18,820
Aug 19, 2017 10:51am
Those two would think they're looking in a mirror.Spock;1867615 wrote:1 would be good but no president isn't doing that without conditions and that asshole isn't making concessions. He is a utter meglamaniac.
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
Aug 19, 2017 12:07pm
If one changes the words to number 3 a little, to "let the powers with more direct influence act in their interest, which also benefits us", a combination of #1 and #3 is the way to go.ptown_trojans_1;1867516 wrote:Only option 1 is feasible. Option 2 will result in too many dead/ you have to know damn sure what comes next/ after Kim. As long as we have troops in South Korea, option 3 makes no sense.
majorspark
Posts: 5,122
Aug 19, 2017 12:45pm
Really? I saw an article written with a headline like who is crazier Kim or Trump. How ignorant or outright deceptive of an article. Trump is a blow hard no doubt but he is not a deranged murderous maniac. Kim had his defense chief executed for dozing off disrespecting him. Kim routinely executes political officials, military personnel, and his own citizens. High level officials usually get executed in front of other high level officials with an anti aircraft gun. If a NK citizen does not go out and fist pump Kim at a rally its off the labor camp or execution.Heretic;1867676 wrote:Those two would think they're looking in a mirror.
Heretic
Posts: 18,820
Aug 19, 2017 12:58pm
If it makes you feel all better, their megalomaniac is crazier than ours, with far worse accomplishments than merely being an ignorant blowhard. Wasn't trying to trigger any snowflakes.majorspark;1867685 wrote:Really? I saw an article written with a headline like who is crazier Kim or Trump. How ignorant or outright deceptive of an article. Trump is a blow hard no doubt but he is not a deranged murderous maniac. Kim had his defense chief executed for dozing off disrespecting him. Kim routinely executes political officials, military personnel, and his own citizens. High level officials usually get executed in front of other high level officials with an anti aircraft gun. If a NK citizen does not go out and fist pump Kim at a rally its off the labor camp or execution.
Spock
Posts: 2,853
Aug 19, 2017 1:01pm
Some of that sounds like the Clinton MOmajorspark;1867685 wrote:Really? I saw an article written with a headline like who is crazier Kim or Trump. How ignorant or outright deceptive of an article. Trump is a blow hard no doubt but he is not a deranged murderous maniac. Kim had his defense chief executed for dozing off disrespecting him. Kim routinely executes political officials, military personnel, and his own citizens. High level officials usually get executed in front of other high level officials with an anti aircraft gun. If a NK citizen does not go out and fist pump Kim at a rally its off the labor camp or execution.
majorspark
Posts: 5,122
Aug 19, 2017 1:39pm
Well I have been taken seriously when trying to be funny or cute, by you I might add, so we can gently float to the ground together.Heretic;1867686 wrote:If it makes you feel all better, their megalomaniac is crazier than ours, with far worse accomplishments than merely being an ignorant blowhard. Wasn't trying to trigger any snowflakes.
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superman
Posts: 3,582
Aug 20, 2017 6:59am
Says stupid shit.Heretic;1867686 wrote:If it makes you feel all better, their megalomaniac is crazier than ours, with far worse accomplishments than merely being an ignorant blowhard. Wasn't trying to trigger any snowflakes.
Gets called out on stupid shit.
"Triggered a snowflake."
salto
Posts: 2,611
Aug 20, 2017 3:59pm
Please tell us, what part?Spock;1867688 wrote:Some of that sounds like the Clinton MO
Heretic
Posts: 18,820
Aug 20, 2017 7:22pm
Lol.superman;1867756 wrote:Says stupid shit.
Gets called out on stupid shit.
"Triggered a snowflake."
majorspark
Posts: 5,122
Aug 20, 2017 11:58pm
Look at how many times he has called out QO for comparing Obama to Marxists or some other extreme term. He is hardly a "snowflake" for doing so. "Snowflake" in the political sense would be one that is so fragile they seek to hide from any form of political debate. The word "snowflake" is currently being politically redefined as I have no logical argument and you are fragile for challenging me.superman;1867756 wrote:Says stupid shit.
Gets called out on stupid shit.
"Triggered a snowflake."
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superman
Posts: 3,582
Aug 21, 2017 12:12am
I wasn't calling him a snowflake. I was saying that "I triggered a snowflake." Is his buckshot response to being called out on something stupid he said.majorspark;1867838 wrote:Look at how many times he has called out QO for comparing Obama to Marxists or some other extreme term. He is hardly a "snowflake" for doing so. "Snowflake" in the political sense would be one that is so fragile they seek to hide from any form of political debate. The word "snowflake" is currently being politically redefined as I have no logical argument and you are fragile for challenging me.
Heretic
Posts: 18,820
Aug 21, 2017 12:30am
Lol, anyone with a brain can see Trump (like Kim) has a touch of megalomania.superman;1867839 wrote:I wasn't calling him a snowflake. I was saying that "I triggered a snowflake." Is his buckshot response to being called out on something stupid he said.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Aug 21, 2017 6:48pm
North Korea thread turns into who is crazier argument between Trump supporters and rational people. AMAZING.
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Aug 22, 2017 9:43am
Are the rational people the ones who try to equate Trump to the NK madman who ruthlessly murders anyone who does not look at him properly and is threatening peaceful nations with nuclear war?Commander of Awesome;1867996 wrote:North Korea thread turns into who is crazier argument between Trump supporters and rational people. AMAZING.
I am starting to believe that a great many on the left have absolutely completely lost their minds and any semblance of rational thought; hysteria as it were.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Aug 24, 2017 11:50am
So you have nothing to say about current NK politics?QuakerOats;1868110 wrote:Are the rational people the ones who try to equate Trump to the NK madman who ruthlessly murders anyone who does not look at him properly and is threatening peaceful nations with nuclear war?
I am starting to believe that a great many on the left have absolutely completely lost their minds and any semblance of rational thought; hysteria as it were.
iclfan2
Posts: 6,360
Aug 28, 2017 6:58pm
So NK just shot a middle over Japan and Japan didn't shoot it down. Things could get interesting
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Spock
Posts: 2,853
Aug 28, 2017 7:08pm
Yes......I think it's time to take the UN and make them go into NK.iclfan2;1869106 wrote:So NK just shot a middle over Japan and Japan didn't shoot it down. Things could get interesting
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Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Aug 28, 2017 7:15pm
That is terrifying.iclfan2;1869106 wrote:So NK just shot a middle over Japan and Japan didn't shoot it down. Things could get interesting
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Ghmothwdwhso
Posts: 534
Aug 29, 2017 3:41am
And the impotent UN is going into NK and make them do what??Spock;1869107 wrote:Yes......I think it's time to take the UN and make them go into NK.
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superman
Posts: 3,582
Aug 29, 2017 7:44am
Hey pal. There will be a strongly worded letter of warning put into their permanent file. They might even get double secret probation.Ghmothwdwhso;1869182 wrote:And the impotent UN is going into NK and make them do what??
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Aug 29, 2017 9:27am
Commander of Awesome;1869108 wrote:That is terrifying.
Are you cowering in the corner?