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Al Bundy
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Jul 21, 2017 1:05pm
They were all won on the field.isadore;1863076 wrote:gosh a ruddies,
o won on the field is less.
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isadore
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Jul 21, 2017 1:47pm
not won, but obtained by the artificial means of lobbying and press agenting.Al Bundy;1863084 wrote:They were all won on the field.
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Al Bundy
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Jul 21, 2017 5:19pm
You can't name one of our titles where we didn't earn it.isadore;1863102 wrote:not won, but obtained by the artificial means of lobbying and press agenting.
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Jul 21, 2017 6:17pm
all of them, all won by lobbying and politicking, can not win one on the fieldAl Bundy;1863158 wrote:You can't name one of our titles where we didn't earn it.
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Al Bundy
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Jul 21, 2017 7:32pm
We won them by perfection on the field.isadore;1863172 wrote:all of them, all won by lobbying and politicking, can not win one on the field
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isadore
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Jul 21, 2017 9:08pm
gosh a ruddies, once the games really started to count, Massillon paper tigers stopped winning championships.Al Bundy;1863182 wrote:We won them by perfection on the field.
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Al Bundy
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Jul 21, 2017 9:17pm
So you cherry pick when the games "really started to count?"isadore;1863194 wrote:gosh a ruddies, once the games really started to count, Massillon paper tigers stopped winning championships.
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Jul 21, 2017 10:15pm
gosh a ruddies, lol, they lose the games when it starts to count to win a real championship.Al Bundy;1863196 wrote:So you cherry pick when the games "really started to count?"
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Al Bundy
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Jul 21, 2017 10:18pm
Pick one of our championship years, and try to make an argument of why someone else should have won it that year. You can't do it. Each of our championship seasons was pretty clear cutisadore;1863207 wrote:gosh a ruddies, lol, they lose the games when it starts to count to win a real championship.
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isadore
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Jul 21, 2017 10:58pm
Gosh a ruddies, OK, lets take 1972. Massillon went undefeated in the regular season, won the phony AP State Championship. And lost in the first round of the playoffs to Cincinnati Princeton, who themselves were later eliminated. And Massillon has lost ever since then in the real championships.Al Bundy;1863209 wrote:Pick one of our championship years, and try to make an argument of why someone else should have won it that year. You can't do it. Each of our championship seasons was pretty clear cut
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Al Bundy
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Jul 21, 2017 11:46pm
http://www.massillontigers.com/allsched70.htmlisadore;1863221 wrote:Gosh a ruddies, OK, lets take 1972. Massillon went undefeated in the regular season, won the phony AP State Championship. And lost in the first round of the playoffs to Cincinnati Princeton, who themselves were later eliminated. And Massillon has lost ever since then in the real championships.
We played the best schedule in the nation. We went 10-0 and outscored our opponents 179-29.
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superman
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Jul 22, 2017 7:46am
10-1 193-46Al Bundy;1863225 wrote:http://www.massillontigers.com/allsched70.html
We played the best schedule in the nation. We went 10-0 and outscored our opponents 179-29.
0-1 in the playoffs
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Jul 22, 2017 8:01am
Cincinnati Princeton beat Massillon
Warren Reserve beat Cincinnati Princeton
Warren Reserve beat Cincinnati Princeton
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Al Bundy
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Jul 22, 2017 2:27pm
This sounds like the argument that the Browns beat the Chargers, who beat the Raiders, who beat the Bills, who beat the Patriots. Therefore, the Browns were better than the Patriots.isadore;1863234 wrote:Cincinnati Princeton beat Massillon
Warren Reserve beat Cincinnati Princeton
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Jul 22, 2017 5:36pm
Gosh we start with the obvious fact Massillon lost to Princeton in the first round. In a year Massillon won the phony AP championship but they lost when it counted in a playoff toward a real championship.Al Bundy;1863266 wrote:This sounds like the argument that the Browns beat the Chargers, who beat the Raiders, who beat the Bills, who beat the Patriots. Therefore, the Browns were better than the Patriots.
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Al Bundy
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Jul 22, 2017 6:03pm
At that point, the Associated Press mattered more than Harbin. Even today, I bet more people have heard of the Associated Press than have heard of Harbin. I'd be happy to administer a poll at the women's shoe store that I work at.isadore;1863279 wrote:Gosh we start with the obvious fact Massillon lost to Princeton in the first round. In a year Massillon won the phony AP championship but they lost when it counted in a playoff toward a real championship.
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Jul 22, 2017 6:52pm
pollingAl Bundy;1863291 wrote:At that point, the Associated Press mattered more than Harbin. Even today, I bet more people have heard of the Associated Press than have heard of Harbin. I'd be happy to administer a poll at the women's shoe store that I work at.
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Al Bundy
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Jul 22, 2017 11:07pm
So far, more people know Associated Press over Harbin.isadore;1863299 wrote:polling
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Jul 23, 2017 9:12am
gosh a ruddies, you need to widen your sample.
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Al Bundy
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Jul 23, 2017 9:27am
As you go outside of Ohio, no one has heard of Harbin, but everyone has heard of the Associated Press. Across the nation no one has heard of Marion Local, but everyone has heard of Massillon. There is so much interest in us that we are the only high school game that you can bet on in Vegas.isadore;1863359 wrote:gosh a ruddies, you need to widen your sample.
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Raider
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Jul 23, 2017 2:38pm
Massillon is a poor dying town. The talent has left that area a long time ago. The GCL has around 150 state titles since 72. People in Texas think of Ohio football as St X, Moeller, and St IggyAl Bundy;1863364 wrote:As you go outside of Ohio, no one has heard of Harbin, but everyone has heard of the Associated Press. Across the nation no one has heard of Marion Local, but everyone has heard of Massillon. There is so much interest in us that we are the only high school game that you can bet on in Vegas.
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Jul 23, 2017 2:40pm
Gosh a ruddies, 2016 AP picked Cincinnati Colerain as Division I champs but Cincinnati St. Xavier is the real champ. And that is true of all AP picks, not the real champs until they win it on the field.Al Bundy;1863364 wrote:As you go outside of Ohio, no one has heard of Harbin, but everyone has heard of the Associated Press. Across the nation no one has heard of Marion Local, but everyone has heard of Massillon. There is so much interest in us that we are the only high school game that you can bet on in Vegas.
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Al Bundy
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Jul 23, 2017 2:46pm
We brought in the best tackle from the GCL last year. They make movies about us, none of the other teams that you mentioned. None of those other teams have a Vegas line on their games.Raider;1863399 wrote:Massillon is a poor dying town. The talent has left that area a long time ago. The GCL has around 150 state titles since 72. People in Texas think of Ohio football as St X, Moeller, and St Iggy
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Raider
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Jul 23, 2017 2:49pm
They made a movie because your community is insane. That's why teen mom, buck wild, cops, and Jerry springer are popular. People love to make fun of stupid peopleAl Bundy;1863401 wrote:We brought in the best tackle from the GCL last year. They make movies about us, none of the other teams that you mentioned. None of those other teams have a Vegas line on their games.
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Al Bundy
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Jul 23, 2017 2:51pm
The Harbin points had St. Xavier 5th in their region. Until recent years, they wouldn't have even qualified for the tournament. You picked an excellent example of why the tournament system is flawed.isadore;1863400 wrote:Gosh a ruddies, 2016 AP picked Cincinnati Colerain as Division I champs but Cincinnati St. Xavier is the real champ. And that is true of all AP picks, not the real champs until they win it on the field.