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friendfromlowry
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Jun 21, 2017 9:28am
Not all media info is worth paying attention to, though. That article you linked was from a Chicago douchebag who's been all over the place in the last 24 hours.BR1986FB;1859801 wrote:Well, since the media is where we get the information, it's expected that's where we'd get it from.....unless you have an inside "source", which nobody on here does.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Jun 21, 2017 9:30am
Exactly. When somebody with credibility like Woj drops a bomb, then we can probably take it more seriously.friendfromlowry;1859805 wrote:Not all media info is worth paying attention to, though. That article you linked was from a Chicago douchebag who's been all over the place in the last 24 hours.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Jun 21, 2017 9:34am
No, not at all....but when most of the "bullshit" out there is that the Cavs management is "dysfunctional", after letting a GM who had constructed a roster that went to three straight NBA Finals, I'm not going to take it with a grain of salt. This dysfunctional label has been around for a while with them but most of it has been attributed to LBJ being passive/aggressive.like_that;1859803 wrote:So, you're just going to trust every article like a blind sheep? Despite 90% of rumors being pure bullshit, there is absolutely no chance this guy is blowing smoke up your ass?
As you've said. it's a "bad look." Others might view DG's snap decision to release Griff, when he was still working the phones and had potential deals in place to build an opponent to match GSW's, as dysfunctional.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jun 21, 2017 9:40am
"Snap decision"?BR1986FB;1859808 wrote:No, not at all....but when most of the "bullshit" out there is that the Cavs management is "dysfunctional", after letting a GM who had constructed a roster that went to three straight NBA Finals, I'm not going to take it with a grain of salt. This dysfunctional label has been around for a while with them but most of it has been attributed to LBJ being passive/aggressive.
As you've said. it's a "bad look." Others might view DG's snap decision to release Griff, when he was still working the phones and had potential deals in place to build an opponent to match GSW's, as dysfunctional.
A media article yesterday said that griffin has known for several months that this would happen.
Which one are you going to believe?!
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jun 21, 2017 9:41am
I think that is the more concerning thing. Who will Gilbert hire as GM? Which GM out there can keep this Cleveland team better to win championships.Al Bundy;1859804 wrote:I think the danger is in hiring someone like Billups who has no front office experience. This team has a window of a few years to win championships. If you hire someone learning as they go, it makes it very hard to get the right people. LeBron playing GM also makes this a difficult job for a first time GM.
Not since lebron came back have I been worried about dan Gilbert.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Jun 21, 2017 9:43am
If this has been known for several months, why keep him around? Let him go right after the Finals so the new GM can try to start making moves. If Griff knew he was gone several months ago, why is he still trying to make deals? Gilbert wouldn't have let him near any roster decisions if change was about to take place. Makes no sense.SportsAndLady;1859809 wrote:"Snap decision"?
A media article yesterday said that griffin has known for several months that this would happen.
Which one are you going to believe?!
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friendfromlowry
Posts: 6,239
Jun 21, 2017 9:44am
God damn this is going to be a long 12 months.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Jun 21, 2017 9:49am
Who is "most" though. You're getting overworked from people throwing shit at a wall and apparently it's sticking for you.BR1986FB;1859808 wrote:No, not at all....but when most of the "bullshit" out there is that the Cavs management is "dysfunctional", after letting a GM who had constructed a roster that went to three straight NBA Finals, I'm not going to take it with a grain of salt. This dysfunctional label has been around for a while with them but most of it has been attributed to LBJ being passive/aggressive.
As you've said. it's a "bad look." Others might view DG's snap decision to release Griff, when he was still working the phones and had potential deals in place to build an opponent to match GSW's, as dysfunctional.
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friendfromlowry
Posts: 6,239
Jun 21, 2017 9:54am
http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/celtics/2017/06/buckley_cavaliers_are_losing_their_way_opening_the_door_to_the_east_for_the?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=socialflow
Here's Boston's version of the Chicago Sun Times article. I'm sure Washington and Toronto have a version, too. Whatever helps them come to terms with Cleveland curbstomping them for years now I guess.
Here's Boston's version of the Chicago Sun Times article. I'm sure Washington and Toronto have a version, too. Whatever helps them come to terms with Cleveland curbstomping them for years now I guess.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Jun 21, 2017 9:58am
Boston has no agenda in this at all either, right BR?friendfromlowry;1859815 wrote:http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/celtics/2017/06/buckley_cavaliers_are_losing_their_way_opening_the_door_to_the_east_for_the?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=socialflow
Here's Boston's version of the Chicago Sun Times article. I'm sure Washington and Toronto have a version, too. Whatever helps them come to terms with Cleveland curbstomping them for years now I guess.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jun 21, 2017 10:32am
I said griffin knew this was going to happen. Not the media, not Gilbert. Griffin.BR1986FB;1859811 wrote:If this has been known for several months, why keep him around? Let him go right after the Finals so the new GM can try to start making moves. If Griff knew he was gone several months ago, why is he still trying to make deals? Gilbert wouldn't have let him near any roster decisions if change was about to take place. Makes no sense.
He's still going to do his job until he's actually gone.
Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Jun 21, 2017 12:21pm
Also cavs players have come out and said that they absolutely did not tell butler to not come to the cavs, that the story is completely false
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like_that
Posts: 26,625
Jun 21, 2017 1:23pm
No surprise here. If you actually think about how dumb the article is:Crimson streak;1859835 wrote:Also cavs players have come out and said that they absolutely did not tell butler to not come to the cavs, that the story is completely false
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1. Several players aren't going to admit to trying to recruit another player on while he is on contract. That is blatant collusion.
2. Why the fuck would cavs players go from "OMG come over we can win a title" to "ZOMG STAY AWAY!!!!" in the span of a couple hours?
Just pure garbage, and I wouldn't shed a tear if that guy gets fired.
ohiobucks1
Posts: 4,915
Jun 21, 2017 3:55pm
Wrong. To be fair though, I've got nothing. Lebron is radio silent. Last time he was radio silent was when he left...BR1986FB;1859801 wrote:Well, since the media is where we get the information, it's expected that's where we'd get it from.....unless you have an inside "source", which nobody on here does.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Jun 22, 2017 12:09pm
Sounding more & more like this Gilbert/Griffen breakup may have had a lot to do with money. Griff was making between $1.5-$2M and was asking for $6-$7M? What will be a real bad look is if DG hires Billups at that $6-7M. Worse look? A new front office guy, with no experience (Billups), turns Gilbert down.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Jun 22, 2017 12:50pm
Link?BR1986FB;1859937 wrote:Sounding more & more like this Gilbert/Griffen breakup may have had a lot to do with money. Griff was making between $1.5-$2M and was asking for $6-$7M? What will be a real bad look is if DG hires Billups at that $6-7M. Worse look? A new front office guy, with no experience (Billups), turns Gilbert down.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Jun 22, 2017 1:04pm
No dice. Can't provide one when it was an interview with a national guy (Chris Broussard) along with a few others (discussing the compensation not the comments about Billups).like_that;1859940 wrote:Link?
wildcats20
Posts: 27,794
Jun 22, 2017 1:49pm
Amico saying the Pacers and Bulls were both asking for Kyrie in exchange for PG and Butler.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Jun 22, 2017 2:01pm
One of the local guys, Tony Zarella, who's better known for his local Browns coverage, is proposing they deal KI for Chris Paul. He also proposed adding Melo, assuming he'd come for the vet minimum. Part of the reasoning behind it was that it would give the Cavs a Big Four and LBJ might not have a temptation to leave to go join buddies if the buddies were here. I thought it was stupid but it seems like everyone is throwing crap out there now.wildcats20;1859947 wrote:Amico saying the Pacers and Bulls were both asking for Kyrie in exchange for PG and Butler.
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friendfromlowry
Posts: 6,239
Jun 22, 2017 2:07pm
He should lose his job for proposing that.BR1986FB;1859949 wrote:One of the local guys, Tony Zarella, who's better known for his local Browns coverage, is proposing they deal KI for Chris Paul. He also proposed adding Melo, assuming he'd come for the vet minimum. Part of the reasoning behind it was that it would give the Cavs a Big Four and LBJ might not have a temptation to leave to go join buddies if the buddies were here. I thought it was stupid but it seems like everyone is throwing crap out there now.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Jun 22, 2017 2:09pm
No shit. I don't know how getting significantly older helps them beat the Warriors. I could tell the guys who were interviewing him were thinking "WTF?"friendfromlowry;1859952 wrote:He should lose his job for proposing that.
Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Jun 22, 2017 2:18pm
Yeah that's not going to happen lolwildcats20;1859947 wrote:Amico saying the Pacers and Bulls were both asking for Kyrie in exchange for PG and Butler.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Jun 22, 2017 2:23pm
So with the cap ($99M) being lower than projected (anywhere from $101M-$108M), will this effect the Warriors ability to resign Iggy & Livingston?
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Jun 22, 2017 2:35pm
Probably not. They will probably pay the warriors to stay there.BR1986FB;1859956 wrote:So with the cap ($99M) being lower than projected (anywhere from $101M-$108M), will this effect the Warriors ability to resign Iggy & Livingston?
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Jun 22, 2017 3:05pm
I know that the cap is lesser because of the way the Cavs/Warriors ran right through their competition (less revenues) but it's kind of convenient that when all of these teams will be trying to get into an arms race that they lower the cap, favoring the Warriors (competition can't spend as much).like_that;1859958 wrote:Probably not. They will probably pay the warriors to stay there.