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isadore

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Jun 30, 2017 4:51 PM
QuakerOats;1861000 wrote:Yes, that is exactly what happened prior to obamaKare.
gosh a ruddies, for many.
Jun 30, 2017 4:51pm
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Jul 3, 2017 12:56 PM
isadore;1860994 wrote:gosh a ruddies! and without government involvement if you were poor and needed an MRI then treatment, you would just die.
100% false. You can not be turned away at a hospital by law.

I am sorry that facts don't line up with your BS.
Jul 3, 2017 12:56pm
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isadore

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Jul 3, 2017 2:11 PM
jmog;1861242 wrote:100% false. You can not be turned away at a hospital by law.

I am sorry that facts don't line up with your BS.
Gosh a ruddies, because of the government.
Jul 3, 2017 2:11pm
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Jul 3, 2017 7:17 PM
isadore;1861245 wrote:Gosh a ruddies, because of the government.
So you side with the government 100% of the time?
Jul 3, 2017 7:17pm
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Jul 5, 2017 7:21 AM
jmog;1861242 wrote:100% false. You can not be turned away at a hospital by law.
I'm not interested in the politics behind this, but this is not true.
Jul 5, 2017 7:21am
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Jul 5, 2017 8:16 AM
GOONx19;1861368 wrote:I'm not interested in the politics behind this, but this is not true.
No ER can turn you away unless it is a private owned hospital, and only then in a non-emergency case can they turn you away.

An ER at a public hospital absolutely can not turn away anyone for any level of care regardless of their ability to pay.

I should have clarified private vs public hospital before.


https://law.freeadvice.com/malpractice_law/hospital_malpractice/hospital-patients.htm
Jul 5, 2017 8:16am
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Jul 5, 2017 10:44 AM
EMTALA only applies to emergency situations, and very rarely are the patients treated in an ER truly experiencing an emergency. It is up to the hospital to define its emergency medical conditions. I work in an ER and we have absolutely turned away frequent fliers with non-emergent conditions as soon as we can conclude we will not be liable for withholding treatment. Non-emergent conditions can still progress to death if not appropriately managed.
Jul 5, 2017 10:44am
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Jul 5, 2017 11:30 AM
GOONx19;1861390 wrote:EMTALA only applies to emergency situations, and very rarely are the patients treated in an ER truly experiencing an emergency. It is up to the hospital to define its emergency medical conditions. I work in an ER and we have absolutely turned away frequent fliers with non-emergent conditions as soon as we can conclude we will not be liable for withholding treatment. Non-emergent conditions can still progress to death if not appropriately managed.
Do you work at a private or public hospital? Based on what I have read on that link and others, a public hospital is not allowed to deny anyone treatment, even in non-emergency cases, due to the lack of ability to pay.


I have seen "frequent fliers" in looking for pain meds admitted into a room but never given pain meds, they were given fluids only.

You want to see some real "actors", watch a pain med seeker writhe all over a hospital bed "in pain" only to "calm down" as soon as they get a needle/IV in their arm...funny part was that it was just saline solution.

Saw it twice, both times were when my wife was in the hospital for pancreatitis.
Jul 5, 2017 11:30am
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Jul 5, 2017 2:56 PM
jmog;1861395 wrote:Do you work at a private or public hospital? Based on what I have read on that link and others, a public hospital is not allowed to deny anyone treatment, even in non-emergency cases, due to the lack of ability to pay.
All three I have worked at have been large public medical centers. Two were the largest in the state. There are certain conditions like HIV/AIDS that have carveouts which require treatment, but most non-emergent presentations can be turned away if the ED attending chooses to do so.
Jul 5, 2017 2:56pm
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Jul 5, 2017 3:16 PM
like_that;1860919 wrote:For those in favor of single payer, google charlie gard to see a preview of what single payer does.
Apparenty, The Pope has offered to take the baby to the Vatican hospital, but London rejected it.
Jul 5, 2017 3:16pm
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Jul 6, 2017 5:19 AM
GOONx19;1861390 wrote:EMTALA only applies to emergency situations, and very rarely are the patients treated in an ER truly experiencing an emergency. It is up to the hospital to define its emergency medical conditions. I work in an ER and we have absolutely turned away frequent fliers with non-emergent conditions as soon as we can conclude we will not be liable for withholding treatment. Non-emergent conditions can still progress to death if not appropriately managed.
Thanks for posting. For example - a friend's wife has pretty messed up family e.g. her mom is homeless sorta and shacks up in abandoned homes in Toledo, etc. Only ever goes to the E.R. and apparently she has cancer and they just have turned her away and referred her to social workers to get on medicaid. But she won't get on medicaid cus she is afraid as she has warrants for arrest.

A prime example of what you're referring to. But as we see in other threads people like this woman who live on the fringe of society elicit little sympathy "e.g. no more Narcan!"
Jul 6, 2017 5:19am
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Jul 6, 2017 10:20 AM
Maybe she should have thought about not committing crimes that lead to arrest warrants.
Jul 6, 2017 10:20am
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Jul 6, 2017 10:31 AM
QuakerOats;1861547 wrote:Maybe she should have thought about not committing crimes that lead to arrest warrants.
How Christian of you. Nah, don't help the people who are sick and have cancer, just lock them up and fuck'em.
I'm actually not going to disagree with some of this. Years ago, back in the ACA debate days, one argument I heard from my healthcare friends and now wife, was really to blow up the whole your employee provides health care for you system. If we eliminate that and allow people to really search on the open market and pool together, it forces people to realize how expense healthcare really is.
Paul's other ideas are interesting too. I heard him suggest that insurance companies profits may go back into the Medicaid pool to cover any gaps for the poor.
Jul 6, 2017 10:31am
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Jul 6, 2017 11:18 AM
I think we all are willing to help those in need, especially when they are trying to help themselves. When you are an apparent repetitive criminal with multiple outstanding arrest warrants, you have done yourself, your family and friends, and society no favors. You can still get emergency care, and there are no doubt charitable groups that will still assist.
Jul 6, 2017 11:18am
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Jul 6, 2017 12:36 PM
ptown_trojans_1;1861551 wrote:How Christian of you. Nah, don't help the people who are sick and have cancer, just lock them up and fuck'em.
If they deserve to be locked up (where they would get care) then having cancer isn't a get out of jail free card. Sorry the person has a warrant but can't get healthcare b/c they refuse to take responsibility for their actions. Personal Responsibility. That isn't a christian or non christian thought process.
Jul 6, 2017 12:36pm
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Jul 6, 2017 1:39 PM
I am all for complete repeal.


Then come back around and make the few tweaks that would be helpful but not break the bank, the government's and The People's.
Jul 6, 2017 1:39pm
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Jul 6, 2017 4:46 PM
QuakerOats;1861547 wrote:Maybe she should have thought about not committing crimes that lead to arrest warrants.
Right yeah like I said - I am well aware that you don't have much sympathy for people like her.

Funny story - she actually stole my wife's coat at a wedding and we caught her trying to sell it on craigslist lol. But funny enough, when she isn't homeless and doesn't smell horrific she is actually a decent grandma to her grand babies the few times I've seen her able to be around. Hence why I appreciate the Kasich brand of conservatism that can appreciate that she might be able to get it turned around if she were on medicaid but alas.
Jul 6, 2017 4:46pm
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Jul 7, 2017 10:42 AM
Yeah, more taxpayer handouts to enable bad behavior is the answer.
Jul 7, 2017 10:42am
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Jul 7, 2017 10:43 AM
It is amazing how liberals always want to help people by using other people's money to do it.

Why don't you do the right thing, you know her, you help her.
Jul 7, 2017 10:43am
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Jul 7, 2017 10:54 AM
BoatShoes;1861631 wrote:Right yeah like I said - I am well aware that you don't have much sympathy for people like her.

Funny story - she actually stole my wife's coat at a wedding and we caught her trying to sell it on craigslist lol. But funny enough, when she isn't homeless and doesn't smell horrific she is actually a decent grandma to her grand babies the few times I've seen her able to be around. Hence why I appreciate the Kasich brand of conservatism that can appreciate that she might be able to get it turned around if she were on medicaid but alas.

i got news for you......medicaid and the government is not her problem.
Jul 7, 2017 10:54am
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Jul 7, 2017 11:08 AM
BoatShoes;1861631 wrote:Right yeah like I said - I am well aware that you don't have much sympathy for people like her.
I don't think it is a question of sympathy. Society has created a program that would likely care for her medical needs yet she refuse to apply because she knowingly has arrest warrants. She is pretty much flipping off the people who would help her.
BoatShoes;1861631 wrote: Hence why I appreciate the Kasich brand of conservatism that can appreciate that she might be able to get it turned around if she were on medicaid but alas.
It has been my experience that when someone is of grandma/grandpa age and continues with a lifetime of stealing from relatives and other forms of shitbaggery there is very little hope for them to turn it around. The only thing being on medicaid may turn around is her health issues. Which she refuses to apply for. Society does have many programs available to help people like her get it turned around. There is community control sanctions or even jail time.
Jul 7, 2017 11:08am
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Jul 7, 2017 11:24 AM
Wait a minute - Boatshoes is complaining Medicaid isn't free enough?!?
Jul 7, 2017 11:24am