SportsAndLady;1881047 wrote:"Zechariah was extremely old to marry Elizabeth and they became the parents of John the Baptist," Zeigler said. "Also take Joseph and Mary. Mary was a teenager and Joseph was an adult carpenter. They became parents of Jesus."

"There's just nothing immoral or illegal here. Maybe just a little bit unusual."

What the fuck lol

I'm not sure which has the more weak sauce excuse, this guy or Spacey.

SportsAndLady;1881046 wrote:Dear god. Nice to know you defend the kissing and touching of underage girls.

Everything I hate about people who are into partisan politics. Something he'd be ready to hang the guy for if he were from the other party becomes "nothing to see here" when the shoe is on the other foot. Despicable.

queencitybuckeye;1881049 wrote:Everything I hate about people who are into partisan politics. Something he'd be ready to hang the guy for if he were from the other party becomes "nothing to see here" when the shoe is on the other foot. Despicable.

Between that and CC's "you wouldn't say anything if it was a lib, troll!" comment...well, I can't say I'm remotely surprised. Just part of living in a world, where no matter what side you're on, the only news that's "real" is what you agree with and the go-to excuse for anything that is negative is "FAKE NEWS!".

QuakerOats;1881034 wrote:Good post. Once the media runs with it, you are damaged goods forever, whether the story is true or not. Unless you are Bill Clinton. There was a guy who harassed, coerced, assaulted, and raped multiple women, but since he was a democrat, he was allowed by the media and his colleagues to remain in public office. Moore, if true, kissed a girl and then when she asked to leave he immediately drove her home, so the story goes, but he will be forced out, and perhaps deservedly so. But the double standard is immeasurable .

Anthony Weiner, the former politician and now convicted federal sex offender, reported Monday morning to Federal Medical Center Devens, a federal prison in Ayer, Massachusetts. He will begin serving his 21 months for sexting with a minor.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/06/us/weiner-reports-to-prison/index.html
Others in Alabama shrugged at the allegations. “There’s nothing to see here,” said Jim Zeigler, the state auditor and a longtime supporter of Mr. Moore. “Single man, early 30s, never been married, dating teenage girls. Never been married and he liked younger girls. According to The Washington Post account he never had sexual intercourse with any of them.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/09/us/politics/mcconnell-roy-moore-sex-teenagers.html
David Hall, also highlighted the age gap but called the accusation irrelevant.
"It was 40 years ago," he told the Star. "I really don't see the relevance of it. He was 32. She was supposedly 14. She's not saying that anything happened other than they kissed."

queencitybuckeye;1881049 wrote:Everything I hate about people who are into partisan politics. Something he'd be ready to hang the guy for if he were from the other party becomes "nothing to see here" when the shoe is on the other foot. Despicable.

Exactly.

It’s pretty pathetic.

SportsAndLady;1881047 wrote:"Zechariah was extremely old to marry Elizabeth and they became the parents of John the Baptist," Zeigler said. "Also take Joseph and Mary. Mary was a teenager and Joseph was an adult carpenter. They became parents of Jesus."

"There's just nothing immoral or illegal here. Maybe just a little bit unusual."

What the fuck lol

Moore's probably ready to kill this idiot (the state auditor). With one response, he (the auditor) was able to suggest his (Moore's) guilt, justify pedophilia and then alienate people who aren't looking to Christianity to influence their voting.

SportsAndLady;1881046 wrote:Dear god. Nice to know you defend the kissing and touching of underage girls.

“Guys, he drove the 14 year old home when she asked him to stop kissing her. Nothing to see there!!” -QO

Boy, did you completely bastardize what I posted. If he did what she alleges, then he should be out. How do we discern the truth?

isadore;1881052 wrote:Anthony Weiner, the former politician and now convicted federal sex offender, reported Monday morning to Federal Medical Center Devens, a federal prison in Ayer, Massachusetts. He will begin serving his 21 months for sexting with a minor.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/06/us/weiner-reports-to-prison/index.html
Others in Alabama shrugged at the allegations. “There’s nothing to see here,” said Jim Zeigler, the state auditor and a longtime supporter of Mr. Moore. “Single man, early 30s, never been married, dating teenage girls. Never been married and he liked younger girls. According to The Washington Post account he never had sexual intercourse with any of them.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/09/us/politics/mcconnell-roy-moore-sex-teenagers.html
David Hall, also highlighted the age gap but called the accusation irrelevant.
"It was 40 years ago," he told the Star. "I really don't see the relevance of it. He was 32. She was supposedly 14. She's not saying that anything happened other than they kissed."

As I posted originally; if he is guilty of the allegations he should go, and "deservedly so". Not hard to understand.



When does Bill Clinton report to the Arkansas state penitentiary?

QuakerOats;1881064 wrote:As I posted originally; if he is guilty of the allegations he should go, and "deservedly so". Not hard to understand.



When does Bill Clinton report to the Arkansas state penitentiary?

When someone actually proves guilt in a court of law, as opposed to you simply saying he's guilty based on allegations in a weak-ass attempt to deflect from the current allegations against Moore. At least that'd be my guess.

QuakerOats;1881063 wrote:Boy, did you completely bastardize what I posted. If he did what she alleges, then he should be out. How do we discern the truth?

This has been the cover for the Rs to still support him.
Unless more women come out, or they provide on camera interviews and provide evidence, the party will still support him.

I've grown so cynical over the last year, that I say nothing happens to Moore, he still wins the seat by a wide margin, and will serve in the Senate. It is Alabama after all.

ptown_trojans_1;1881066 wrote:This has been the cover for the Rs to still support him.
Unless more women come out, or they provide on camera interviews and provide evidence, the party will still support him.

I've grown so cynical over the last year, that I say nothing happens to Moore, he still wins the seat by a wide margin, and will serve in the Senate. It is Alabama after all.

On any side, there's something that doesn't sit well with me in regard to the idea of indicting anyone, even if just in the court of public opinion, based exclusively on someone else's accusation.

I understand the delicate nature of doubting someone who has been abused and/or assaulted, and I'm certainly not lost on the notion that men have traditionally gotten away with assault far too often in our history. But it seems to me that there has to be an alternative that doesn't mean a presumption of guilt at the first claim of assault.

QuakerOats;1881063 wrote:Boy, did you completely bastardize what I posted. If he did what she alleges, then he should be out. How do we discern the truth?

Four women, 30 corroborating sources. That's how.

Fab4Runner;1881073 wrote:Four women, 30 corroborating sources. That's how.

This.

Corroborating testimony from witnesses/victims carries a lot of credibility, as far as I'm concerned.

Fab4Runner;1881073 wrote:Four women, 30 corroborating sources. That's how.

Nonsense. Random girls are just sprouting up falsely accusing this man of god of diddling them years ago. It’s all a conspiracy and none of it is true.

Riiiight.

It could very well be true, and if so he should be out......................for the third time.

QuakerOats;1881078 wrote:It could very well be true, and if so he should be out......................for the third time.

Curious...what evidence would convince you that it is true?
Anything sort of Moore saying himself it is true?
Have you read the article in question?

O-Trap;1881070 wrote:On any side, there's something that doesn't sit well with me in regard to the idea of indicting anyone, even if just in the court of public opinion, based exclusively on someone else's accusation.

I understand the delicate nature of doubting someone who has been abused and/or assaulted, and I'm certainly not lost on the notion that men have traditionally gotten away with assault far too often in our history. But it seems to me that there has to be an alternative that doesn't mean a presumption of guilt at the first claim of assault.

Yeah, I have thought about that a little recently. But, the accusations have been so damning and, recently, been correct.
I do wonder where the tipping point occurs where people just starting chasing stories and shoddy reporting leads to false stories.

I will say this Post story is pretty well sourced and tight on sources and methods.

Still, I doubt it means Moore steps aside or loses.

ptown_trojans_1;1881066 wrote:This has been the cover for the Rs to still support him.
Unless more women come out, or they provide on camera interviews and provide evidence, the party will still support him.

Ahh, you watched Morning Joe this morning, I see!

CenterBHSFan;1881081 wrote:Ahh, you watched Morning Joe this morning, I see!

No, I just know how today's politics works.
Shit, most of the R statements yesterday all included the phase, if they proven to be true.

ptown_trojans_1;1881083 wrote: Shit, most of the R statements yesterday all included the phase, if they proven to be true.

What are they supposed to say? It's not like Harvey Weinstein where everyone already knew about it...

QuakerOats;1881064 wrote:As I posted originally; if he is guilty of the allegations he should go, and "deservedly so". Not hard to understand.



When does Bill Clinton report to the Arkansas state penitentiary?

gosh a ruddies, Bill Clinton was impeached, fined and had his law license suspended.
And you and yours make excuses
"Joel Pollak, editor-at-large of Breitbart, contorted himself to defend Moore on MSNBC. According to Pollak, “the 16 year old and the 18 year old have no business in that story,” because the age of consent in Alabama is 16. Pollak insisted that those relationships, being legal, were &#8220erfectly legitimate.” He went on to argue, “As far as we know, there’s only one relationship that’s been alleged that is problematic.” Only one. How many 14-year olds saying Roy Moore touched them would it take to disturb Joel Pollak? The answer is probably that he’d defend as many as Steve Bannon tells him to defend."
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/453613/breitbart-hey-lets-litigate-age-consent

ptown_trojans_1;1881080 wrote:Yeah, I have thought about that a little recently. But, the accusations have been so damning and, recently, been correct.
I do wonder where the tipping point occurs where people just starting chasing stories and shoddy reporting leads to false stories.

I will say this Post story is pretty well sourced and tight on sources and methods.

Still, I doubt it means Moore steps aside or loses.

Oh, you're probably right on that last part, and I didn't necessarily mean that about this case exclusively. I just meant that were the crime itself any other brand of crime, I doubt we'd see such a mob mentality.

And again, though I understand the problem with doubting the testimony of an assault victim, I can't say I trust that nobody would abuse an assumption of truth for anyone who comes forward claiming to be the victim of assault.

Just seems like the public would be quick to side with the accuser to a concerning degree.

O-Trap;1881092 wrote: And again, though I understand the problem with doubting the testimony of an assault victim, I can't say I trust that nobody would abuse an assumption of truth for anyone who comes forward claiming to be the victim of assault.

The power of that accusation has definitely been weaponized. Before you might have said it's a really tough thing to come forward with and so they deserve benefit of the doubt, but with all the BS swirling around with the "#Metoo" campaigns, etc....it's almost empowering and a badge of courage to accuse someone now.

Normally when there are multiple complaints, then you go "ok, there's something there". But some of the stories I'm seeing on this Hollywood stuff make me go "hmmm....that seems embellished, at a minimum".

I mean, the story on Louis C.K. OK, he's got at least 4 women accusing him so he's a dirtball. But he gets to his room with the two women, and immediately (as they describe it).....ASKS if he can whip it out.....then whips it out anyway....and starts masturbating. Who does that? Why do so many of these stories involve solo perving....just bizarre to me, and I think for one reason or another "facts" are being changed or made-up

Moore was on the Hannity radio show today and said he doesn’t deny dating girls as young as 16, but he always asked the mother’s permission.

Like, that’s actually real.

SportsAndLady;1881095 wrote:Moore was on the Hannity radio show today and said he doesn’t deny dating girls as young as 16, but he always asked the mother’s permission.

Like, that’s actually real.

LOL, even then a 30-yr old isn't going to ask permission to date a 16-yr old, because he already knows the answer....and down south it's probably very dangerous to one's health.