SportsAndLady;1850869 wrote:Haha I didn't mean it has a pro bowlers every year for the next 15 years. Just that kickers can kick for 15+ years and he has pro bowl potential.

I tried to word it that way.

Seriously though what is Justin Tucker worth compared to the average NFL kicker. He would've been worth about 4 wins to the Bengals the last two years.

Ironman92;1850870 wrote:I tried to word it that way.

Seriously though what is Justin Tucker worth compared to the average NFL kicker. He would've been worth about 4 wins to the Bengals the last two years.

I draft him every year in fantasy. Another no-no but I don't care. That guy is fucking automatic.

SportsAndLady;1850871 wrote:I draft him every year in fantasy. Another no-no but I don't care. That guy is fucking automatic.

I keep him in my dynasty leagues even though his salary goes up $1 or $2 every year. Think he'll be $4 or $5 in my main league this year ($200 cap) and IDGAF. Money well spent.

Thinking about the Wentz trade outloud here:

We can nitpick about the trade down from 12 this year, but consider what we got for Carson Wentz and a fourth round draft pick last year, especially when you compare Wentz’s 2016 numbers with Kessler’s, who played two fewer games:

2016 Kessler Completion Percentage: 65.6 2016
Wentz’s Completion Percentage: 65 2016
Kessler Yards/Game: 216
2016 Wentz’s Yards/Game: 237
When you consider we walked away with ALL this after additional trade downs:
Corey Coleman (WR) via Tennessee trade
Shone Coleman (RT) via Tennessee trade
DeShone Kizer (QB) via Tennessee trade
Cody Kessler (QB) via Carolina trade
Derrick Kindred (S) via Carolina trade
Spenser Durango (OT) via Carolina trade
Ricardo Louis (WR) via Oakland trade
Jordan Peyton (WR) via Oakland trade
Jabrill Peppers (S) via Houston trade
Texan’s 2018 1st and 2nd draft picks

I guess it comes down to Browns figuring out the QB Spot, but I'm fairly impressed wtih all the picks we got from that trade. Very similar to the Julio Jones trade, I would do it again.

Just read hat Kizer will play all season at age 21 and Wentz turns 25 during the season. That's a decent age gap, if both are similar players and develop at same rate.

http://walterfootball.com/mockdraftresults2017.php

Dane didn't do half bad considering.

Commander of Awesome;1850914 wrote:http://walterfootball.com/mockdraftresults2017.php

Dane didn't do half bad considering.

Espn lol

Further proof that they put out their mocks for clicks, not accuracy.

Commander of Awesome;1850914 wrote:http://walterfootball.com/mockdraftresults2017.php

Dane didn't do half bad considering.

Wonder what Matt Miller did that is so egregious that they wouldn't list his name? He's one of my favorite draft-guru follows, as well as Daniel Jeremiah and Dane Brugler.

Not that I'm predicting it but does Kizer have a shot to start week 1? With what's on this roster, I think it's very possible.

BR1986FB;1850922 wrote:Not that I'm predicting it but does Kizer have a shot to start week 1? With what's on this roster, I think it's very possible.

All depends how he develops in this offseason. If he can get his footwork right and can process the playbook and has a firm grasp on his reads then absolutely. I don't think he will but there is always that possibility that he learns quick.


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BR1986FB;1850922 wrote:Not that I'm predicting it but does Kizer have a shot to start week 1? With what's on this roster, I think it's very possible.

I don't think anyone would be shocked if this were to happen, considering how terrible the Browns are at this position.

I hope he's the starter because that would mean he had a pretty good offseason/training camp.

But I think Kessler will be the starter this year.

SportsAndLady;1850928 wrote:I hope he's the starter because that would mean he had a pretty good offseason/training camp.

But I think Kessler will be the starter this year.

I do too, but also wouldn't mind seeing him play so the coaching staff and FO can determine whether to go all in on a QB next draft or not.

Edit: Btw, the above is also a reason I didn't QQ about trading down and getting another first round pick. They might need that pick to get a QB next year.

Kizer definitely fits the mold of the AFC North type QB. How friggin' great would it be if they found their Russell Wilson/Dak Prescott at 52 and could use both of those 1st's next year on playmakers?

BR1986FB;1850930 wrote:Kizer definitely fits the mold of the AFC North type QB. How friggin' great would it be if they found their Russell Wilson/Dak Prescott at 52 and could use both of those 1st's next year on playmakers?

With tempered caution, I think it is a much better possibility than any other QB they have drafted in the last 10 years. The skillset appears different.

Sonofanump;1850935 wrote:With tempered caution, I think it is a much better possibility than any other QB they have drafted in the last 10 years. The skillset appears different.

I agree 100%. The potential is there now it's up to the coaching staff and Kizer to reach that potential.


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BR1986FB;1850930 wrote:Kizer definitely fits the mold of the AFC North type QB. How friggin' great would it be if they found their Russell Wilson/Dak Prescott at 52 and could use both of those 1st's next year on playmakers?

Sonofanump;1850935 wrote:With tempered caution, I think it is a much better possibility than any other QB they have drafted in the last 10 years. The skillset appears different.

Crimson streak;1850936 wrote:I agree 100%. The potential is there now it's up to the coaching staff and Kizer to reach that potential.


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count me as another optimistic fan who thinks this'll go down as one of those 'steals of the draft' scenarios...the more I analyze this, the more psyched I get--but then again...

vball10set;1850942 wrote:count me as another optimistic fan who thinks this'll go down as one of those 'steals of the draft' scenarios...the more I analyze this, the more psyched I get--but then again...

After last year, every time they get a QB my first thoughts are "look what Hue did with Kessler." If Hue & his QB coach can take a limited talent, like Kessler, and make him a serviceable/decent QB, imagine the possibilities with a QB that has all of the physical tools? The prospect is pretty exciting but could also flame out. Will be interesting to see his progress.

Now I realize each QB is different (desire, intelligence, etc) but Hue has a pretty decent specimen to mold.

BR1986FB;1850945 wrote:After last year, every time they get a QB my first thoughts are "look what Hue did with Kessler." If Hue & his QB coach can take a limited talent, like Kessler, and make him a serviceable/decent QB, imagine the possibilities with a QB that has all of the physical tools? The prospect is pretty exciting but could also flame out. Will be interesting to see his progress.

Now I realize each QB is different (desire, intelligence, etc) but Hue has a pretty decent specimen to mold.

The more i look at it , this appears to be a case of trying to make chicken soup out of chicken shit. Will kizer play , yea he will . but he wont play well. Add Kizer to the long list of college spread qbs that busted at the next level. I guess the browns never get tired of drafting spread qbs. Its a huge gamble for the second round

KnightRyder;1850953 wrote:The more i look at it , this appears to be a case of trying to make chicken soup out of chicken shit. Will kizer play , yea he will . but he wont play well. Add Kizer to the long list of college spread qbs that busted at the next level. I guess the browns never get tired of drafting spread qbs. Its a huge gamble for the second round

Well, he made chicken soup (somewhat) out of noodle arm Kessler. I know his system is more conventional but his talent level is dog shit.

Unfortunately, it's the way the league's going. Good coaches are going to have to figure out how to mold these spread QB's or they won't have jobs long. College coaches don't have the mindset "well, since the kid will eventually want to turn pro, I'd better run a conventional type/pro style offense so he will adapt to the league...don't really care if we win as long as he's NFL ready." No....college coaches are running offenses that are putting points on the board, which more often than not, is the spread.

KnightRyder;1850953 wrote:The more i look at it , this appears to be a case of trying to make chicken soup out of chicken shit. Will kizer play , yea he will . but he wont play well. Add Kizer to the long list of college spread qbs that busted at the next level. I guess the browns never get tired of drafting spread qbs. Its a huge gamble for the second round

Lol. While ND does run a type of a spread offense it's not a true one read spread offense. ND's offense is actually pretty well suited for the NFL. While it does have some read options and things like that, it's not a complete spread offense smh


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Yeah I was going to say, it didn't seem to me that ND ran a spread offense. Fucking knight ryder is such an idiotic troll.

SportsAndLady;1850964 wrote:Yeah I was going to say, it didn't seem to me that ND ran a spread offense. Fucking knight ryder is such an idiotic troll.

Thank you, and this is why I didn't respond to him.

Crimson streak;1850958 wrote:Lol. While ND does run a type of a spread offense it's not a true one read spread offense. ND's offense is actually pretty well suited for the NFL. While it does have some read options and things like that, it's not a complete spread offense smh


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yea i can tell by all the NFL ready qb's ND produced. Kizer was crap in college and you all think he will transform into some sort of super star qb under Hue's guidance. God himself couldnt make this guy a quality NFL qb.

vball10set;1850973 wrote:Thank you, and this is why I didn't respond to him.

still salty about getting waxed by clemson?