I hope Trump visits Mar a lago this weekend.

I think we should stop sending criminals to jail if they have kids. We don't want to rip families apart.

superman;1870075 wrote:I think we should stop sending criminals to jail if they have kids. We don't want to rip families apart.

Was just going to say...

if I rob a bank, can I pull the "don't rip my family apart I was just trying to help my family".

CenterBHSFan;1870062 wrote:But in the meantime, yes, let us govern ourselves through sonnets, odes and other forms of poetry instead of laws!

This. We have laws. People are so quick to play politics with this stuff because of what political party is in control when what the debate should be is whether the law should be taken up for a vote. It shouldn't be a debate on trump this or trump that.

CenterBHSFan;1870070 wrote:It's the damn parents who broke the law to begin - that's who I have a problem with. If myself or anybody else on this message board broke federal law, we'd damn sure have to deal with the consequences and so would our families whether it be shame or poverty or whatever.
I don't see how we have to obey our own laws but people from other countries don't have to worry so much about it.

It's all about peddling the feelz and virtue signaling.

Most of the parents that brought their families here came from circumstances that they judged to be bad enough to risk everything to make the crossing. These are human beings who are looking to give their children better lives. Had they waited to do it "legally", most would still be waiting. "My ancestors came here legally". The truth is until about 60 years ago, there were virtually no limitations as to who came and how they got there. To act as though all of our families followed some sort of path to citizenship rigorous standard in order to get here is hogwash.

Dr Winston O'Boogie;1870186 wrote:Most of the parents that brought their families here came from circumstances that they judged to be bad enough to risk everything to make the crossing. These are human beings who are looking to give their children better lives. Had they waited to do it "legally", most would still be waiting. "My ancestors came here legally". The truth is until about 60 years ago, there were virtually no limitations as to who came and how they got there. To act as though all of our families followed some sort of path to citizenship rigorous standard in order to get here is hogwash.

People don't care. People are more willing to say rules are rules and get out.
If Congress does not pass any immigration reform, people are just going to be cool with illegals getting deported.
I'm just resigned to that fact now. Human interest stories be damned, because in the end, people just shrug and say, shoulda came here legally then.

Dr Winston O'Boogie;1870186 wrote:Most of the parents that brought their families here came from circumstances that they judged to be bad enough to risk everything to make the crossing. These are human beings who are looking to give their children better lives. Had they waited to do it "legally", most would still be waiting. "My ancestors came here legally". The truth is until about 60 years ago, there were virtually no limitations as to who came and how they got there. To act as though all of our families followed some sort of path to citizenship rigorous standard in order to get here is hogwash.

Or they don't care about our laws and come here illegally. What they need to do is take their hardships to their own government.

Linked story to a woman in Columbus who is taking up sanctuary in a Church to keep from being deported. She has been here 10 years and has 3 children who were born here.

What I find interesting is that she has been here 10 years, wants to stay, etc etc etc......yet, she needs an interpreter to state her case.

If she wants to be here so badly, why hasn't she learned the language of our Country??


http://nbc4i.com/2017/09/05/to-avoid-deportation-woman-takes-sanctuary-in-columbus-church/

wkfan;1870207 wrote:Linked story to a woman in Columbus who is taking up sanctuary in a Church to keep from being deported. She has been here 10 years and has 3 children who were born here.

What I find interesting is that she has been here 10 years, wants to stay, etc etc etc......yet, she needs an interpreter to state her case.

If she wants to be here so badly, why hasn't she learned the language of our Country??


http://nbc4i.com/2017/09/05/to-avoid-deportation-woman-takes-sanctuary-in-columbus-church/

We do not have a "language of our country".

wkfan;1870207 wrote:Linked story to a woman in Columbus who is taking up sanctuary in a Church to keep from being deported. She has been here 10 years and has 3 children who were born here.

What I find interesting is that she has been here 10 years, wants to stay, etc etc etc......yet, she needs an interpreter to state her case.

If she wants to be here so badly, why hasn't she learned the language of our Country??


http://nbc4i.com/2017/09/05/to-avoid-deportation-woman-takes-sanctuary-in-columbus-church/

Cause we do not have and have not had a national language.
Come on.

This country has always had a mixture of languages.

Apparently a good friend of mine will be affected by this. I believe he's been here since age 3.

Don't worry they said.
I officially cannot renew my work permit.
I am a taxpayer holding a full time job and freelancing w/ a foreign business who's money is taxed by this gov't. I am also an artist/producer signed with acclaimed independent labels and have recently received support by globally acclaimed DJs/producers.
I speak fluent English and Polish, am a self starter, and contribute to the American economy accordingly. I am a healthy individual, collect no benefits or government help. My mind and my own two hands are what paves my way towards success.
Most aspects of my life seem to be that of a citizen yet I cannot travel abroad and now my ability to work legally could be impaired in 2 years time.
I am trapped.

Spock;1870198 wrote:Or they don't care about our laws and come here illegally. What they need to do is take their hardships to their own government.

When people claim they care about laws but were just fine with Arpaio being pardoned, lol.

Yes, because the state of Iowa has a completely different foreign language than Rhode Island does >.>

English is the universal language of the US. While our country doesn't have an "official" language I think it's pretty much safe to say that the common language is english.

It's downright goofy to say "we don't have an official language" and argue about that sort of thing when we all know damn well that English is the common tool.

Fab4Runner;1870216 wrote:When people claim they care about laws but were just fine with Arpaio being pardoned, lol.

While I definitely think that Arpaio took the law into his own hands to a certain extent, I also think that his prosecution was entirely politically motivated. On the other OTHER hand, Trump had no business pardoning him before the process was even finished. So, I have mixed feelings about the situation but that doesn't mean that I (and I know you were directing this at Spock, but anyway) I don't think that federal laws (immigration, concerning this topic) should be willfully disobeyed by so many people.
Hell, I get anxious just doing my damn taxes, let alone purposely disregarding other laws lol!

2017 and people still complain when others don't speak English. Amazing.

Automatik;1870222 wrote:2017 and people still complain when others don't speak English. Amazing.

Not so amazing. If you want to live in this country, spend 10 years in it and still need an interpreter, that is what is amazing.

I know, I know. Why in the world would we expect others who want to come live in this country to be able to communicate? It's absurd!

Ohio Valley thoughts^^^

Mhmmm.

It takes an average of 8/10 months to 3 years to learn English, depending on how precise and fluent you want to be and how much "slang" you take into account.

*edit*

I think it's apparent that even if you're quite lazy in your attention to it, you could still get by pretty good after 10 years.

My friend's mom is 65 and disabled, from the DR. I'm not sure if she'll have to state her case, but I let her know to sign up for classes asap.

CenterBHSFan;1870218 wrote:... universal language of the US ...

CenterBHSFan;1870223 wrote:Not so amazing. If you want to live in this country, spend 10 years in it and still need an interpreter, that is what is amazing.

That actually speaks more to the viability of multiple languages within the US. She's been able to function for ten years without English. It would appear that there are enough people in her day-to-day that speak her language that she's been able to form relationships and worship with others. I daresay, I doubt the translator is with her every hour of every day, translating for personal relationships.

If you went to Wales, you'd probably be able to get along quite well speaking English. Well enough to live at least, particularly in certain pockets. You'd pick up SOME Welsh, but not enough to be fluent if you weren't speaking it with friends and family on a daily basis. Otherwise, Welsh is a nightmare to learn and speak.

Automatik;1870222 wrote:2017 and people still complain when others don't speak English. Amazing.

I was in Italy for 6 weeks once for work, and even with only being there for 6 weeks I learned enough Italian to "get by". If I had been there for anything over a couple months I would have forced myself to learn the language fluently to actively communicate in the country I was "living" in.

So yes, a normal person, going to live in a country, should try to learn that language for their own benefit as well as the others around them.

Most cultures that have moved to the US have done this, they have "assimilated" enough to know the "language" (yes, we know that there is no official language, but when 99% of the people in the country speak that language and every single road sign, airport sign, and government document is in that language, it is a de facto national language).

Also, I get just as "bothered" by dumb Americans that go to Europe or Mexico on vacation and get pissed when no one there speaks English.

I used to be fluent in Spanish (still can read it) and even then when I was in Spain and Mexico I carried a Spanish/English dictionary to help in communication. I had an Italian/English one with me when I was in Italy.

The only time I did not do this was when I was in China and Belgium. Both cases I was only going to be there 1 week, and had interpreters with me.

O-Trap;1870233 wrote:



That actually speaks more to the viability of multiple languages within the US. She's been able to function for ten years without English. It would appear that there are enough people in her day-to-day that speak her language that she's been able to form relationships and worship with others. I daresay, I doubt the translator is with her every hour of every day, translating for personal relationships.

If you went to Wales, you'd probably be able to get along quite well speaking English. Well enough to live at least, particularly in certain pockets. You'd pick up SOME Welsh, but not enough to be fluent if you weren't speaking it with friends and family on a daily basis. Otherwise, Welsh is a nightmare to learn and speak.

Probably only in certain pockets of cities like "Chinatown" or "Little Italy" or such could they get by like this, unless they had a child that learned English and spoke for them when they were dealing in public.

CenterBHSFan;1870226 wrote:Mhmmm.

It takes an average of 8/10 months to 3 years to learn English, depending on how precise and fluent you want to be and how much "slang" you take into account.

*edit*

I think it's apparent that even if you're quite lazy in your attention to it, you could still get by pretty good after 10 years.

8/10 months tops when living in an English speaking country (immersed), 3 years when just studying it in a classroom.

I was only in Italy for 6 weeks and could formulate coherent sentences in just over a month.

Not everyone's situation is the same. But yes, that's a great thought. I too, spent time abroad and learned enough to "get by." But I was fortunate enough to be in a place where they learned ESL starting as a toddler, so not being able to communicate was never an issue.