Archive Impressed by Trump administration

ptown_trojans_1

Posts: 7,632

Jul 11, 2017 2:45pm

iclfan2;1861957 wrote:Maybe it's the cynic in me, but I imagine that anyone would take any dirt from any source if they could establish truth to it. What is the difference between a Russian hacker and an American hacker? Do I think it is sleazy? Sure.
And I honestly don't know, is there a law against any of it (based on your "lock her up" comment)?

No.
Pretty much every Presidential campaign manager of both parties have said over the past day or so they would not have taken the meeting and would have alerted the FBI of the invitation.
Nicolle Wallace of the W and Cheney campaign said she would have reached out to the FBI about the invitation for the meeting.

The idea that Trump Jr did this for the child adoption reason makes no sense now as in the email exchange he released, he knew Clinton would be discussed, and he was hoping the Russians did have the dirt.

G

gut

Posts: 15,058

Jul 11, 2017 2:48pm

ptown_trojans_1;1861960 wrote:No.
Pretty much every Presidential campaign manager of both parties have said over the past day or so they would not have taken the meeting and would have alerted the FBI of the invitation.

Of course that's what they said. Let's just ignore that the main driver of the Russian investigation was that Dossier, which was started by Republican candidates or their supporters as opposition research, and later continued by Clinton/supporters. Never mind that investigator had, as his sources, RUSSIAN SPIES!!!

That's the story that never gets covered, though. I'm sure the Clinton supporter had no connections to the campaign.

Q

QuakerOats

Posts: 8,740

Jul 11, 2017 3:00pm

Fab4Runner;1861958 wrote:It's the Russian fucking government! Not just a run of the mill hacker.

Says who, you?

Q

QuakerOats

Posts: 8,740

Jul 11, 2017 3:06pm

And yet we had an actual government official, the US Secretary of State, agree to a deal to send 20% of our uranium to Russia in return for tens of millions of $$ in kickbacks to her foundation (for personal use) funneled through a Canadian shell to conceal its pathway. Then, this same official, who had already violated national security protocol jeopardizing the security of the nation, destroyed tens of thousands of emails, and deliberately bleached her hard drive to suppress the evidence of her criminality.

Please, fucking stop.

ptown_trojans_1

Posts: 7,632

Jul 11, 2017 3:06pm

gut;1861961 wrote:Of course that's what they said. Let's just ignore that the main driver of the Russian investigation was that Dossier, which was started by Republican candidates or their supporters as opposition research, and later continued by Clinton/supporters. Never mind that investigator had, as his sources, RUSSIAN SPIES!!!

That's the story that never gets covered, though. I'm sure the Clinton supporter had no connections to the campaign.

Fine, look into that too....and see what other links there may be.
But, don't give me, oh everyone would meet with a Russian to discuss opposition research. No they wouldn't.

QuakerOats;1861965 wrote:Says who, you?

Every single U.S. intelligence agency....

ptown_trojans_1

Posts: 7,632

Jul 11, 2017 3:11pm

QuakerOats;1861966 wrote:And yet we had an actual government official, the US Secretary of State, agree to a deal to send 20% of our uranium to Russia in return for tens of millions of $$ in kickbacks to her foundation (for personal use) funneled through a Canadian shell to conceal its pathway. Then, this same official, who had already violated national security protocol jeopardizing the security of the nation, destroyed tens of thousands of emails, and deliberately bleached her hard drive to suppress the evidence of her criminality.

Please, fucking stop.

That uranium story is complete and utter bullshit.
And...way to deflect....

Q

QuakerOats

Posts: 8,740

Jul 11, 2017 3:12pm

I have not read where any agency official is confirming that; perhaps you can provide that information on Veselnitskaya.

But Veselnitskaya, speaking to NBC News prior to Trump Jr. releasing the emails, flatly denied any connection to the Russian government. Kremlin officials said on Monday that they were unfamiliar with the lawyer.

Fab4Runner

Posts: 6,196

Jul 11, 2017 3:13pm

QuakerOats;1861965 wrote:Says who, you?

Literally the email.

[FONT=&quot]"This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump -- helped along by Aras and Emin."

[/FONT]And he decided to meet with them.

Q

QuakerOats

Posts: 8,740

Jul 11, 2017 3:17pm

ptown_trojans_1;1861969 wrote:That uranium story is complete and utter bullshit.
And...way to deflect....

Hardly, and with the obama administration's justice department being in full protection mode she was aided in her criminality. Her destruction of her records fully supports her decades-long penchant for destroying evidence. Sickening.

Here, with Jr., you have a relative releasing emails related to a meeting that was totally meaningless. But hey, have at it.

Q

QuakerOats

Posts: 8,740

Jul 11, 2017 3:19pm

Fab4Runner;1861971 wrote:Literally the email.

[FONT=&amp]"This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump -- helped along by Aras and Emin."

[/FONT]And he decided to meet with them.

LOL ......and then what happened; they told him she was a bitch, or a money-launderer, or a pathetic Sec of State, or something else that maybe we didn't know about. Hilarious.

G

gut

Posts: 15,058

Jul 11, 2017 3:20pm

QuakerOats;1861970 wrote:
But Veselnitskaya, speaking to NBC News prior to Trump Jr. releasing the emails, flatly denied any connection to the Russian government. Kremlin officials said on Monday that they were unfamiliar with the lawyer.

It needs no proof because everyone in Russia is Russian spy.

If Trump were smart like Hillary he'd have, I don't know, someone beyond reproach...someone like a former MI6 operative...go talk to, and pay, actual Russian spies for information.

ptown_trojans_1

Posts: 7,632

Jul 11, 2017 3:22pm

I just love how you just move to deflect and say well Obama and Clinton were worse, and even if it was a Russian and if it was opposition research, it was warranted because she was such a vile and corrupt person.
Again, I highly doubt you would be singing the same tune if Chelsea Clinton was on the other end doing the same thing.

G

gut

Posts: 15,058

Jul 11, 2017 3:24pm

ptown_trojans_1;1861967 wrote:Fine, look into that too....and see what other links there may be.
But, don't give me, oh everyone would meet with a Russian to discuss opposition research. No they wouldn't.

No, they wouldn't.

I'm only saying Republican candidates and Clinton paid this guy money to go do that. It's been documented, but doesn't get reported because Trump won. It's even rumored the FBI paid him for a while (with McCain delivering his Dossier to the FBI).

I think this latest story is FINALLY something to be concerned about with the Trump team and Russia....All I'm saying is, if you're being fair and objective, you should be maybe even more concerned that deep pocketed "supporters" (who most likely are VERY closely connected to the campaigns) paid a British spy to give money to Russian spies for dirt on Trump - that's the real bombshell here, and heck this thing might even have been part of the effort for entrapment.

Let that sink in long and hard. Be outraged about Trump, but be at least as outraged about that.

G

gut

Posts: 15,058

Jul 11, 2017 3:26pm

ptown_trojans_1;1861976 wrote: Again, I highly doubt you would be singing the same tune if Chelsea Clinton was on the other end doing the same thing.

Well, they probably were...

Q

QuakerOats

Posts: 8,740

Jul 11, 2017 3:32pm

ptown_trojans_1;1861976 wrote:I just love how you just move to deflect and say well Obama and Clinton were worse, and even if it was a Russian and if it was opposition research, it was warranted because she was such a vile and corrupt person.
Again, I highly doubt you would be singing the same tune if Chelsea Clinton was on the other end doing the same thing.

I did not say it "was warranted". I have yet to see where it is wrong for a campaign staffer to meet with foreigners, let alone illegal.

Q

QuakerOats

Posts: 8,740

Jul 11, 2017 3:33pm

gut;1861979 wrote:Well, they probably were...

LOL at "probably"

G

gut

Posts: 15,058

Jul 11, 2017 3:53pm

QuakerOats;1861983 wrote:LOL at "probably"

But even if they did, you have to acknowledge that her campaign chose not to use any of it (I assume the "grab" audio came from a different source).

Granted, after she lost it appears they somehow suckered McCain into delivering it to the FBI....you know, because McCain is a real American.

Well, and now that I think about it, this was shopped around a few months before the election but nobody would touch it - had to wait for Trump to lose so CNN would stop trying to be a news organization.

like_that

Posts: 26,625

Jul 11, 2017 3:53pm

ptown_trojans_1;1861976 wrote:I just love how you just move to deflect and say well Obama and Clinton were worse, and even if it was a Russian and if it was opposition research, it was warranted because she was such a vile and corrupt person.
Again, I highly doubt you would be singing the same tune if Chelsea Clinton was on the other end doing the same thing.

I agree QO's tune would be different, but I have to lol at you pretending you are impartial and would call a spade a spade. You were nowhere to be found admitting fault on the past administration and now you're on here lecturing QO for not being honest with himself? Gtfo.

ptown_trojans_1

Posts: 7,632

Jul 11, 2017 4:01pm

like_that;1861989 wrote:I agree QO's tune would be different, but I have to lol at you pretending you are impartial and would call a spade a spade. You were nowhere to be found admitting fault on the past administration and now you're on here lecturing QO for not being honest with himself? Gtfo.

Come on now.
I would disagree with Obama on here. But, compared to the most of the board on here, I was the Obama lover.
I hated Obama's Syria, late Iraq, Afghan, and North Korean policy.
But, I just didn't think he was a Muslim, commie, African leading to the destruction of the western world.

G

gut

Posts: 15,058

Jul 11, 2017 4:08pm

ptown_trojans_1;1861996 wrote: I would disagree with Obama on here. But, compared to the most of the board on here, I was the Obama lover.
I hated Obama's Syria, late Iraq, Afghan, and North Korean policy.

LOL. You "criticized" him like most fanboys would pretending to be impartial - always qualified, he either didn't do enough or it was better than nothing....or better than Bush.

You hated his Syria, late Iraq, Afghan, and NK policy...so basically almost his entire foreign policy (and I think you must be forgetting Russia), but I seem to remember in 2012 you voting for him because of his foreign policy, especially vs. Romney.

ptown_trojans_1;1861996 wrote: But, I just didn't think he was a Muslim, commie, African leading to the destruction of the western world.

That's a strawman. There were 2 maybe 3 posters here that ever posted that stuff. You may claim not to be a liberal, but that's textbook SOP for liberals to basically lump anyone who disagrees with them into the right-wing/alt-right group.

like_that

Posts: 26,625

Jul 11, 2017 4:09pm

ptown_trojans_1;1861996 wrote:Come on now.
I would disagree with Obama on here. But, compared to the most of the board on here, I was the Obama lover.
I hated Obama's Syria, late Iraq, Afghan, and North Korean policy.
But, I just didn't think he was a Muslim, commie, African leading to the destruction of the western world.

Well considering you pick easy targets (QO, cc, etc), it's not hard to say you came off as an obama lover compared to the "rest of the OC."

Fact of the matter is you were always one of his biggest apologists and 95% of the time did not hold him accountable. Where were you when he told Medvedev he will have more flexibility? Where were you to admit Obama mocking Romney regarding Russia was actually idiotic?

Don't give me this "come on now" bullshit. You can act righteous with QO all you want, but there is no doubt you're a hypocrite. Don't worry though, that pretty much sums of the majority of this nation and our partisan culture. Go team!

iclfan2

Posts: 6,360

Jul 11, 2017 8:28pm

It still makes me laugh that democrats act like Russia is a bad word now, but when Romney said they were a big enemy they all laughed at him. What a 180.

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Q

QuakerOats

Posts: 8,740

Jul 12, 2017 11:31am

"Those who are desperately concerned about the influence of foreign entities on U.S. elections should focus their attentions on the firm evidence of actual collusion between the Clinton campaign and Ukraine,..."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2017/07/11/donald-trump-jr-within-his-rights-russia-meeting-james-robbins-column/469427001/

Dr Winston O'Boogie

Posts: 1,799

Jul 12, 2017 12:21pm

QuakerOats;1862159 wrote:"Those who are desperately concerned about the influence of foreign entities on U.S. elections should focus their attentions on the firm evidence of actual collusion between the Clinton campaign and Ukraine,..."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2017/07/11/donald-trump-jr-within-his-rights-russia-meeting-james-robbins-column/469427001/

If Trump were a liberal democrat but being accused of the same things he is presently, you know you would be all over him calling for impeachment and criminal charges. Now that it's your boy, all you can do is offer a "yeah, but he stole more than I did teacher" defense.

CenterBHSFan

Posts: 6,115

Jul 12, 2017 1:56pm

Trump is no conservative, and loosely "republican" based on business dealings. I actually think he leans left. But back to Jr.

A lawyer, a pop star and a talent agent.

Is that the cruxt of who Jr. dealt with concerning this latest thing?