wkfan;1825711 wrote:So ISIS recognized Geneva Convention rules and regulations?

Hey, if you want to walk outside and say "I'm just as good as an ISIS member!", good for you! Some people might want to consider themselves a bit better than that, though.

wkfan;1825711 wrote:So ISIS recognized Geneva Convention rules and regulations?

So are we a militant terrorist group or a civilized country?

iclfan2;1825698 wrote:By legal definition it is. But it seems pretty low level to make someone feel like they are drowning compared to actual violent torture acts.
I forgot that we need to care about the feelz of terrorists though.

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I'm all for waterboarding. I'm all for violent torture of terrorists who have been convicted of crimes where they have taken lives of other people. I just didn't realize that there were some out there who believed waterboarding wasn't torture.

wkfan;1825711 wrote:So ISIS recognized Geneva Convention rules and regulations?

this

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-11-21/deutsche-bank-trump-could-push-the-u-s-economy-and-stock-markets-to-new-records


Deutsche Bank liking what they see

ernest_t_bass;1825714 wrote:I'm all for waterboarding. I'm all for violent torture of terrorists who have been convicted of crimes where they have taken lives of other people. I just didn't realize that there were some out there who believed waterboarding wasn't torture.

We waterboard before any charges were brought. The guys were just held without any formal charges and were considered "enemy combatants" to skirt the Geneva Convention and not treat them as military members.

Seriously, this is a discussion? We have been through this. The FBI and CIA both stated waterboarding does not work and zero, zero intelligence was collected from it. It does more harm than good. Read a freaking CIA/ FBI briefing folks.

ptown_trojans_1;1825719 wrote:We waterboard before any charges were brought. The guys were just held without any formal charges and were considered "enemy combatants" to skirt the Geneva Convention and not treat them as military members.

Seriously, this is a discussion? We have been through this. The FBI and CIA both stated waterboarding does not work and zero, zero intelligence was collected from it. It does more harm than good. Read a freaking CIA/ FBI briefing folks.

How about sleep deprivation?

like_that;1825724 wrote:How about sleep deprivation?

My kids use that on me.
I know it works.

ZWICK 4 PREZ;1825733 wrote:My kids use that on me.
I know it works.

lol'd

Would you consider it a form or torture if it were done to terrorists?

ptown_trojans_1;1825719 wrote:We waterboard before any charges were brought. The guys were just held without any formal charges and were considered "enemy combatants" to skirt the Geneva Convention and not treat them as military members.

Seriously, this is a discussion? We have been through this. The FBI and CIA both stated waterboarding does not work and zero, zero intelligence was collected from it. It does more harm than good. Read a freaking CIA/ FBI briefing folks.

Um, yeah, I am not buying anything they put out publicly/

ptown_trojans_1;1825719 wrote:We waterboard before any charges were brought. The guys were just held without any formal charges and were considered "enemy combatants" to skirt the Geneva Convention and not treat them as military members.

Seriously, this is a discussion? We have been through this. The FBI and CIA both stated waterboarding does not work and zero, zero intelligence was collected from it. It does more harm than good. Read a freaking CIA/ FBI briefing folks.

Leon Panetta disagrees, but whatevs.

like_that;1825737 wrote:lol'd

Would you consider it a form or torture if it were done to terrorists?

If you've ever tried to sleep and weren't allowed to, I'd think you'd know it was torture.

ZWICK 4 PREZ;1825742 wrote:If you've ever tried to sleep and weren't allowed to, I'd think you'd know it was torture.

Sleep deprivation is horrible, no doubt. Been on a number of training sessions where we are at it for 48+hours, or going 10 days with just only 2 hours a night and it gets to be a living hell, no doubt

My son has been through both Battle Stations and Sea Trials. He said it was the worst 40 hours of his life being under stress and being awake that long. I've been awake for 40 hours before but never under the kind of physical strain and mental stress he went through.

Con_Alma;1825747 wrote:My son has been through both Battle Stations and Sea Trials. He said it was the worst 40 hours of his life being under stress and being awake that long. I've been awake for 40 hours before but never under the kind of physical strain and mental stress he went through.

My brother went through a hell week where they wake at 0600 on a sunday, are finished at 5pm on friday, and get a max of 4 hours of sleep in that time and he started to hallucinate and 'saw' santa claus lounging on the beach he was so out of it!!

I did 70 hours in college once, but certainly not under any physically-trying circumstances (though it was Finals week, so there was other stress).

Since it was by my own will, I doubt I have a good perspective as to whether or not it would be torture. I would think that something which deprives a person of a basic, biological necessity would be torture, though.

O-Trap;1825750 wrote:I did 70 hours in college once, ...

That is a very long time.

thavoice;1825749 wrote:My brother went through a hell week where they wake at 0600 on a sunday, are finished at 5pm on friday, and get a max of 4 hours of sleep in that time and he started to hallucinate and 'saw' santa claus lounging on the beach he was so out of it!!

Ultra-runners often hallucinate during races. They are covering between 100 and sometimes 250 miles and are awake a ridiculous amount of time. They have some crazy accounts of their hallucinations.

Con_Alma;1825782 wrote:That is a very long time.

By the end, shit got weird. I didn't actually remember walking back to my dorm room and falling asleep. My roommate said I was acting oddly when I came in, prior to zonking out. I slept for about 12 hours and woke up in the late evening. Sleep schedule was ALL kinds of fucked up.

I took 24 credits one semester in college and all 8 classes were either math, chemistry, or engineering. (I was getting married between semesters and wanted to get as many classes out of the way).

I had 8 finals over 5 days and only slept about 2 hours a night tops with the last 2 nights not sleeping at all (so 6 total hours sleep from Sunday morning until Friday afternoon at 4).

By Friday I had to ask my wife (fiancée at the time) to come pick me up as I could not drive home from campus.

I got home, fell asleep at 4 pm on a Friday and didn't wake up until 4 pm on Saturday.

It was obviously a mentally stressing week, but I wasn't taxed physically, and by Friday I was completely out of it, had no idea really what was going on. My wife said I was so out of it that she was surprised I had the wherewithal to call her from a pay phone (really before cell phones) and know that I couldn't drive.

All that being said, if sleep depravation gets information from a terrorists, I am all for it.

jmog;1825841 wrote:I took 24 credits one semester in college and all 8 classes were either math, chemistry, or engineering. (I was getting married between semesters and wanted to get as many classes out of the way).

I had 8 finals over 5 days and only slept about 2 hours a night tops with the last 2 nights not sleeping at all (so 6 total hours sleep from Sunday morning until Friday afternoon at 4).

By Friday I had to ask my wife (fiancée at the time) to come pick me up as I could not drive home from campus.

I got home, fell asleep at 4 pm on a Friday and didn't wake up until 4 pm on Saturday.

It was obviously a mentally stressing week, but I wasn't taxed physically, and by Friday I was completely out of it, had no idea really what was going on. My wife said I was so out of it that she was surprised I had the wherewithal to call her from a pay phone (really before cell phones) and know that I couldn't drive.

All that being said, if sleep depravation gets information from a terrorists, I am all for it.

Lol I don't believe this story for a second. Almost all colleges require you to fill out a form appealing to take 21

Classyposter58;1825875 wrote:Lol I don't believe this story for a second. Almost all colleges require you to fill out a form appealing to take 21

Believe it if you want, I really don't care. Fall semester, 1999, University of Akron. I was a double major in Chemical Engineering and Applied Mathematics. In order to graduate on time I was never less than 17 credits, and I averaged 19-21 each semester (plus took some summer classes).

That semester I took 1 "more" class than my normal as I typically took 1 class extra each semester due to the double major.

I can probably still name the classes that semester...

Physical Chemistry 1 (chemistry)
Transport Phenomena (chem eng)
Advanced Calculus 1 (math)
Methods of Applied Math 1 (math)
Applied Statistics 1 (math)
Mass Transfer Operations (chem eng)
Process Economics (chem eng class)
Intro to Econ Analysis (sorry, I forgot that one class wasn't math/science it was economics...which still had math in it).

I had to fill out two special forms actually. One for the credit overload, and one for Methods of Applied Math as it was a graduate math course (not the 400/500 level cross over courses, but a 600 level master's course) that I needed for my next semester's research project.

If you go look, besides the added 2 math courses, that is the exact 17 credit (really 18 since there are not really any 2 credit math courses) scheduled courses for a fall semester junior year chemical engineer at the University of Akron. I added 2 math classes to the normal schedule.

jmog;1825877 wrote:... University of Akron ...

I believe it now.

O-Trap;1825882 wrote:I believe it now.

Bastard :RpS_lol:

they are top 2 in the country in polymer science/engineering, which is what I planned on doing. Then I took my first polymer engineering class and hated it, was so boring so stuck with chemical engineering and applied math.

Well, hopefully the Zips football team loses to the Mighty Bobcats tonight, for the MAC East title.