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vball10set
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Mar 25, 2017 1:09pm
wildcats20;1842229 wrote:Tom Crean has been fired.
bingo!vball10set;1842262 wrote:Well, we know Matta's not going anywhere this year, so there goes our chance at hiring Archie Miller
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vball10set
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Mar 25, 2017 1:10pm
why is that?SportsAndLady;1843922 wrote:That's a much better hire for IU than Alford, imo.
SportsAndLady
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Mar 25, 2017 1:11pm
Archie is a better coach than Alford? IMOvball10set;1843927 wrote:why is that?
ernest_t_bass
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Mar 25, 2017 1:15pm
I agree with this. So it must be the minority opinion. Congrats.SportsAndLady;1843928 wrote:Archie is a better coach than Alford? IMO
Azubuike24
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Mar 25, 2017 1:16pm
Biggest question with Archie will transitioning to a major program with huge expectations. Positives...he's got the bloodlines. He's got the setup to get recruits. Now, it's about execution. I am not sure he's that great of a coach yet, his teams usually struggle on the offensive end and have never really had a legit post game. With that said, he's probably got a lot more upside than Alford. Alford has kind of peaked as a coach, IMO, but I'm also surprised he would turn down Indiana. He's going to lose almost all of his core at UCLA and he's shown that prior to that group, his teams aren't very good. Losing Ball, Leaf, Hamilton and Alford, he's going to struggle big time next year.
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Mar 25, 2017 1:17pm
If I'm hiring a coach, Archie > Alford.ernest_t_bass;1843929 wrote:I agree with this. So it must be the minority opinion. Congrats.
ernest_t_bass
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Mar 25, 2017 1:22pm
Biggest reason I'm surprised Alford is staying is that he'll have to put up With Lavar for at least 2 more seasons.
Heretic
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Mar 25, 2017 1:28pm
Not only Lavar, but Lavar with less-talented sons entering the mix. Pretty sure the middle kid is a 3-star guy, so imagine dealing with Lavar talking shit when his son's a role-player instead of a star.ernest_t_bass;1843932 wrote:Biggest reason I'm surprised Alford is staying is that he'll have to put up With Lavar for at least 2 more seasons.
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ironman02
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Mar 25, 2017 1:54pm
This. LiAngelo seems to be the least talented of the three kids, but apparently LaMelo has a lot of potential. He still has a couple years of high school left though, so Alford will have to deal with LaVar's dumb ass and the least talented son until then.Heretic;1843934 wrote:Not only Lavar, but Lavar with less-talented sons entering the mix. Pretty sure the middle kid is a 3-star guy, so imagine dealing with Lavar talking shit when his son's a role-player instead of a star.
wildcats20
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Mar 25, 2017 4:52pm
LaMelo pulls up from half court when the game is on the line. No thanks.
Laley23
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Mar 25, 2017 5:00pm
I was fine with Alford, but I'm glad it's Archie over him. Hopefully Indiana and Arizona can get a yearly home and home series started up.
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ironman02
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Mar 25, 2017 7:33pm
Wonder who taught him to do that? Probably his dipshit Dad. lolwildcats20;1843951 wrote:LaMelo pulls up from half court when the game is on the line. No thanks.
Terry_Tate
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Mar 25, 2017 8:40pm
I don't think Alford is a bad coach, but dude has had 22 years as a head coach and never been past the Sweet 16. Not like Archie has a huge track record of NCAA Tournament success, but it was a no-brainer to go with him over Alford IMO.
SportsAndLady
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Mar 25, 2017 9:05pm
Archie's had a few good runs with Dayton though. They were in the elite 8 I thought a few years ago?Terry_Tate;1843978 wrote:I don't think Alford is a bad coach, but dude has had 22 years as a head coach and never been past the Sweet 16. Not like Archie has a huge track record of NCAA Tournament success, but it was a no-brainer to go with him over Alford IMO.
Terry_Tate
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Mar 26, 2017 12:13am
Yeah, he made an Elite 8, but beyond that hasn't reached the Sweet 16. Think Dayton has made the last 4 tournaments, but other than the Elite 8 they haven't done much once they got there.SportsAndLady;1843982 wrote:Archie's had a few good runs with Dayton though. They were in the elite 8 I thought a few years ago?
wildcats20
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Mar 26, 2017 12:26am
Dayton making the sweet 16 is better than pretty much anything Alford has done at UCLA.Terry_Tate;1844030 wrote:Yeah, he made an Elite 8, but beyond that hasn't reached the Sweet 16. Think Dayton has made the last 4 tournaments, but other than the Elite 8 they haven't done much once they got there.
SportsAndLady
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Mar 26, 2017 12:34am
Yeah, this.wildcats20;1844031 wrote:Dayton making the sweet 16 is better than pretty much anything Alford has done at UCLA.
Archie isn't making final fours at Dayton, but it's not like he's expected to. He's expected to make the tournament. He usually does that, and then wins a few games, too.
wildcats20
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Mar 26, 2017 12:40am
I mean Alford has never made an elite 8. He's been at 2 high major programs and 1 mid major. So why would anyone beg for him to come to their school?
Terry_Tate
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Mar 26, 2017 12:47am
Which is why I said going with Archie over Alford was a no-brainer, lol. He's only been past the first weekend once which is what I was saying but Alford has proven to be a good regular season coach and an underwhelming postseason coach. Gotta go with the potential in Archie over proven mediocrity(relative to expectations) with Alford.wildcats20;1844031 wrote:Dayton making the sweet 16 is better than pretty much anything Alford has done at UCLA.
SportsAndLady
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Mar 26, 2017 12:51am
I think we are all agreeing with you lol, it was just your comment about Archie not doing much in the tourney.Terry_Tate;1844035 wrote:Which is why I said going with Archie over Alford was a no-brainer, lol. He's only been past the first weekend once which is what I was saying but Alford has proven to be a good regular season coach and an underwhelming postseason coach. Gotta go with the potential in Archie over proven mediocrity(relative to expectations) with Alford.
Terry_Tate
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Mar 26, 2017 1:00am
I thought we were on the same page, wasn't totally sure though, lol. Was just saying he's been in the Elite 8 once and round of 32 once and that's it for his tournament successes. Not a long list like I said, but like wildcats said, his Elite 8 alone is more impressive than anything Alford has done.SportsAndLady;1844037 wrote:I think we are all agreeing with you lol, it was just your comment about Archie not doing much in the tourney.
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vball10set
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Mar 26, 2017 8:04am
being an IU grad, yours was an opinion I looked forward to hearing...and a home-and-home would be great!Laley23;1843956 wrote:I was fine with Alford, but I'm glad it's Archie over him. Hopefully Indiana and Arizona can get a yearly home and home series started up.
Laley23
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Mar 26, 2017 9:39pm
I wanted Donovan, but looks like he is loving the no recruiting aspect of NBA. Met with Indiana, but couldn't comevball10set;1844051 wrote:being an IU grad, yours was an opinion I looked forward to hearing...and a home-and-home would be great!
to terms. Sounds like Archie was the 2nd choice.
As for Alford, I will say Iowa hasn't done shit since he left, and neither has New Mexico. He was the best coach those programs have had. Ironically, he has been worse at UCLA, as far as actual coaching is concerned.
SportsAndLady
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Mar 26, 2017 10:37pm
I find it very hard to believe that Donovan had even 1% interest in the Indiana job.
Why the hell would he leave the Thunder and Russell Westbrook to go coach maybe the 7th best coaching job in college basketball?
Why the hell would he leave the Thunder and Russell Westbrook to go coach maybe the 7th best coaching job in college basketball?
wildcats20
Posts: 27,794
Mar 28, 2017 7:07pm
A little surprising considering he sucked/was injured all year...Harry Giles is going pro. He will get drafted on the potential everyone saw before going to Duke.
Also, that is 4 players leaving Duke in the last 3-4 days. Giles and Tatum going pro and Obi and Jeter transferring. Wouldn't shock me to see Kennard turn pro as well.
Also, that is 4 players leaving Duke in the last 3-4 days. Giles and Tatum going pro and Obi and Jeter transferring. Wouldn't shock me to see Kennard turn pro as well.