sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Nov 9, 2016 10:08am
We're fucked.
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
Nov 9, 2016 11:08am
Nah.
Its gonna be just fine.
and note, we would have been just fine if Clinton was elected as well.
Its gonna be just fine.
and note, we would have been just fine if Clinton was elected as well.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Nov 9, 2016 11:09am
Sure seems we're boned.
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
Nov 9, 2016 11:11am
Your happiness, success and well-being 4 years from now will be from your own doing, not whom resides in the WH.
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jedbartlet02
Posts: 178
Nov 9, 2016 11:14am
thavoice;1823151 wrote:Your happiness, success and well-being 4 years from now will be from your own doing, not whom resides in the WH.
Not if you're LGBTQ, Muslim, or Mexican. Trump is going to fuck them hard
4cards
Posts: 2,551
Nov 9, 2016 11:21am
...quit watching the Clinton News Network, none of that is going to happen.jedbartlet02;1823156 wrote:Not if you're LGBTQ, Muslim, or Mexican. Trump is going to fuck them hard
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
Nov 9, 2016 11:24am
jedbartlet02;1823156 wrote:Not if you're LGBTQ, Muslim, or Mexican. Trump is going to fuck them hard
No,he is not. There lives, just like everyone else, will be no better, or worse, than it is right now. Their future depends on whom looks at them when they look into a mirror, not who is president.
Fab4Runner
Posts: 6,196
Nov 9, 2016 11:30am
.thavoice;1823167 wrote:No,he is not. There lives, just like everyone else, will be no better, or worse, than it is right now. Their future depends on whom looks at them when they look into a mirror, not who is president.
You don't think banning gays from getting married will make their lives worse?
ptown_trojans_1
Posts: 7,632
Nov 9, 2016 11:32am
His cabinet and how he structures his staff will be incredibly important.
I wonder how much power/ control he cedes to the Congress?
How many and what type of Executive Orders will he issue?
Oh, and how exactly will his businesses be impacted? Will he totally cut ties with them, eliminating any potential conflict of interests?
I wonder how much power/ control he cedes to the Congress?
How many and what type of Executive Orders will he issue?
Oh, and how exactly will his businesses be impacted? Will he totally cut ties with them, eliminating any potential conflict of interests?
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
Nov 9, 2016 11:36am
If Trump is f'ing the LGBTQ folks would that make him LGBTQ himself and therefore f'ing himself?jedbartlet02;1823156 wrote:Not if you're LGBTQ, Muslim, or Mexican. Trump is going to fuck them hard
I have something that will blow your mind...
My sister is a lesbian and voted for Trump.
My wife is bisexual and voted for Trump.
They both are all for LGBTQ rights and want to help spread marriage laws, etc, but both saw how corrupt Hillary was.
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
Nov 9, 2016 11:38am
That will likely stay as a state issue.Fab4Runner;1823173 wrote:.
You don't think banning gays from getting married will make their lives worse?
....and banning everyone, gays included, from marriage should make everyone's lives better!
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
Nov 9, 2016 11:38am
He has said it should be determined by the states, not banned across the US (at least in the speeches I saw anyway).Fab4Runner;1823173 wrote:.
You don't think banning gays from getting married will make their lives worse?
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Nov 9, 2016 11:50am
A lot of people think he's going to overturn Roe v. Wade, Obamacare, gay marriage, etc.
Obamacare is the only thing that I legitimately think is in immediate jeopardy. He will have a GOP Congress that is ready to green light the elimination of that healthcare system but as far as everything else I don't think he has a chance in hell. It's very difficult to overturn SCOTUS rulings and a good chunk of the GOP doesn't like Trump and won't back everything he says.
Our foreign relations are as good as fucked though. Good bye NATO and potentially the UN; NAFTA is out the door as well.
Obamacare is the only thing that I legitimately think is in immediate jeopardy. He will have a GOP Congress that is ready to green light the elimination of that healthcare system but as far as everything else I don't think he has a chance in hell. It's very difficult to overturn SCOTUS rulings and a good chunk of the GOP doesn't like Trump and won't back everything he says.
Our foreign relations are as good as fucked though. Good bye NATO and potentially the UN; NAFTA is out the door as well.
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
Nov 9, 2016 12:02pm
He wont eliminate obamacare. Taking way the covering would be political suicide. He has talked about changing it, tweaking, and making it better and more affordable. Once that system was in place, it wasnt going to be taken away. I agree that Roe V Wade wont get over turned and gay marriage will continue to be a state issue.sleeper;1823182 wrote:A lot of people think he's going to overturn Roe v. Wade, Obamacare, gay marriage, etc.
Obamacare is the only thing that I legitimately think is in immediate jeopardy. He will have a GOP Congress that is ready to green light the elimination of that healthcare system but as far as everything else I don't think he has a chance in hell. It's very difficult to overturn SCOTUS rulings and a good chunk of the GOP doesn't like Trump and won't back everything he says.
Our foreign relations are as good as fucked though. Good bye NATO and potentially the UN; NAFTA is out the door as well.
NATO and the UN isnt going anywhere. Maybe he stronger stance on foreign issues will be a good thing. Look for him to really temper down what his rhetoric was during the campaign.
Again, in 2020 when we go to the polls again, our lives will have much more to do with what we make of them over whomever is the President. That is something you can book.
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Con_Alma
Posts: 12,198
Nov 9, 2016 12:12pm
There is already a plan in place to carry out such an effort. The President Elect only needs to sign such a bill into law...which I think he would. The real challenge would be to get it to his desk.thavoice;1823190 wrote:He wont eliminate obamacare. ....
http://abetterway.speaker.gov/_assets/pdf/ABetterWay-HealthCare-Snapshot.pdf
http://abetterway.speaker.gov/?page=health-care
Fab4Runner
Posts: 6,196
Nov 9, 2016 12:14pm
thavoice;1823177 wrote:That will likely stay as a state issue.
....and banning everyone, gays included, from marriage should make everyone's lives better!
Well I have no faith in backwards ass Ohio doing the right thing where gay marriage is concerned.jmog;1823178 wrote:He has said it should be determined by the states, not banned across the US (at least in the speeches I saw anyway).
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
Nov 9, 2016 12:16pm
I am actually for gay marriage but just correcting the statement as best as I know Trump had said. He said it should be a states decision, he didn't say he wanted to ban them.Fab4Runner;1823199 wrote:Well I have no faith in backwards ass Ohio doing the right thing where gay marriage is concerned.
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Con_Alma
Posts: 12,198
Nov 9, 2016 12:17pm
Agreed. Get gov out of marriage entirely. It's a legal contract between two adults. Let the drafted contract dictate the terms.thavoice;1823177 wrote:...
....and banning everyone, gays included, from marriage should make everyone's lives better!
Standard benefits should be eliminated. Refer to the contract.
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
Nov 9, 2016 12:18pm
Was your candidate promoting that the federal government mandate gay marriage legal across the country?Fab4Runner;1823199 wrote:Well I have no faith in backwards ass Ohio doing the right thing where gay marriage is concerned.
Fab4Runner
Posts: 6,196
Nov 9, 2016 12:29pm
I didn't truly support a candidate in this presidential election, but the one I supported in the primary was just fine with the SCOTUS ruling and had no intentions of trying to overturn it.thavoice;1823203 wrote:Was your candidate promoting that the federal government mandate gay marriage legal across the country?
We already know that you believe YOUR way is the 'right thing where gay marriage is concerned'.
And yes, I believe my way is the right way. I believe in basic human rights. There are a lot of things I am willing to compromise on. This isn't one of them.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Nov 9, 2016 12:32pm
Shocker, someone who screams "trump's a bigot and racist and sexist!" Doesn't actually know the facts of their accusation.jmog;1823201 wrote:I am actually for gay marriage but just correcting the statement as best as I know Trump had said. He said it should be a states decision, he didn't say he wanted to ban them.
I don't like Trump. Hell I'm a republican who voted for Hillary. But I don't like trump because I don't believe he'd be able to accomplish anything as president. Not because CNN told me he was a bigot/sexist/racist.
fish82
Posts: 4,111
Nov 9, 2016 12:33pm
That's not gonna happen. Jesus, people.Fab4Runner;1823173 wrote:.
You don't think banning gays from getting married will make their lives worse?
Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Nov 9, 2016 12:33pm
Obama care will be as good as gone. And another thing that will thankfully be gone is the common core bullshit. Should definitely help with our education. I don't think nafta will be gone, but I do believe it will be tweaked to help benefit us more. It will definitely be an interesting 4 years but it's time for some charges and hopefully they pay off.
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
Nov 9, 2016 12:35pm
Yeah, we know.SportsAndLady;1823206 wrote:Shocker, someone who screams "trump's a bigot and racist and sexist!" Doesn't actually know the facts of their accusation.
I don't like Trump. Hell I'm a republican who voted for Hillary. But I don't like trump because I don't believe he'd be able to accomplish anything as president. Not because CNN told me he was a bigot/sexist/racist.
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
Nov 9, 2016 12:37pm
Fair enough. Let's revisit this in 4 years and I bet that however things go in our lives it will be because of our choices, our paths and our beliefs and not any sitting president.Fab4Runner;1823205 wrote:I didn't truly support a candidate in this presidential election, but the one I supported in the primary was just fine with the SCOTUS ruling and had no intentions of trying to overturn it.
And yes, I believe my way is the right way. I believe in basic human rights. There are a lot of things I am willing to compromise on. This isn't one of them.