Con_Alma;1852375 wrote:Partisanship activity is also applicable to ideology and not just political parties. Being partisan isn't necessarily bad.

Well, when you're supposed to be reporting facts in a Joe-Friday-just-the-facts-ma'am sort of way, it is.

Personally, of course, it's perfectly fine.

I am getting sick of this Russia scandal that the left wing media spends 25 hours a day on. From what I understand, there is no evidence of anything.

sleeper;1852356 wrote:It is propaganda. Again, I'm not interested in your semantics. It is the closest thing we have to state sponsored propaganda and it's only going to get worse with Sinclair buying Tribune media. The majority of the news in this country will be controlled by a select few with ties to Trump and that is very real and very scary for Democracy.

If fox news is the propaganda arm of the Republican party, and i don't disagree that it is, that makes all the rest of the media the propaganda arm of the Democratic party. They have questioned nothing Obama did for the last 8 years and now everything Trump does is the worst thing a president has ever done. It's kind of comical and disgusting that the news on both sides is obviously rooting for their team to win.

Spock;1852404 wrote:I am getting sick of this Birther scandal that the right wing media spends 25 hours a day on. From what I understand, there is no evidence of anything.

Didn't you post this 8 years ago?

FatHobbit;1852428 wrote:If fox news is the propaganda arm of the Republican party, and i don't disagree that it is, that makes all the rest of the media the propaganda arm of the Democratic party. They have questioned nothing Obama did for the last 8 years and now everything Trump does is the worst thing a president has ever done. It's kind of comical and disgusting that the news on both sides is obviously rooting for their team to win.

What disgusts me about all of it is that ANY news outlet even has a 'team'!

They are there to report the news that happened...NOT to put their 'spin' or 'slant' on it. IDGAF about their opinions....just give me the facts and let me form my own opinions.

Spock;1852404 wrote:I am getting sick of this Russia scandal that the left wing media spends 25 hours a day on. From what I understand, there is no evidence of anything.

The investigation is looking to see if the Trump campaign, anyone in the campaign, had any knowledge or contact with the Russians or Wikileaks about the hacking of the DNC. That is the investigation and so far, there is no fire, but a ton of smoke. The fall of Flynn and what he knew and his ties to Russia are a red flag that deserve further investigation.
Did Russia hack the election on election day, no, but did they hack the DNC and use Wikileaks as the outlets for the emails, yes. Did anyone in the Trump campaign know...not sure...

The optics look bad.
Plus, the Russia White House photos yesterday were a fucking joke. What a horrible, horrible PR move.
Russian photographers and press were allowed in the White House and Oval Office, but not U.S. ones....looks really shitty.


Just for the record, I don't think Trump knew anything about the Russian hacks or Wikileaks, but it is very possible, people in his campaign did.

FatHobbit;1852428 wrote:If fox news is the propaganda arm of the Republican party, and i don't disagree that it is, that makes all the rest of the media the propaganda arm of the Democratic party. They have questioned nothing Obama did for the last 8 years and now everything Trump does is the worst thing a president has ever done. It's kind of comical and disgusting that the news on both sides is obviously rooting for their team to win.

That's completely false and you know it. The reality is, the 'liberal media' is just part of the propaganda used by the right wing sites to ignore reality. Also, the idea that the media, outside of Fox News, didn't question Obama's "scandals" is also asinine. They covered plenty of his missteps just maybe not the stupid shit like the Dijon mustard or Tan suit 'scandals'.

CNN even covered the expensive vacations that Obama and his family took with a critical tone(like Fox) but Fox News is completely silent about the RATE of which Trump is spending on vacations. It's only 'biased' because Fox News is so far right that anything moderate seems like 'radical leftism'. It's quite embarrassing what Fox News is doing to this country.

The investigation is looking to see if the Trump campaign, anyone in the campaign, had any knowledge or contact with the Russians or Wikileaks about the hacking of the DNC. That is the investigation and so far, there is no fire, but a ton of smoke.

The smoke continues to be used as cover for the abhorrent behavior of the side generating said smoke. The left has been very successful in making the story about the source of the hacks and obscuring the content, which was horrific and in some cases criminal.

Plus, the Russia White House photos yesterday were a fucking joke. What a horrible, horrible PR move.

You won't hear about this on Fox News. Most media sites are reporting this but Fox News is the only one that's the 'truth' and everything else is Fake News.

It's quite embarrassing.

Just for the record, I don't think Trump knew anything about the Russian hacks or Wikileaks, but it is very possible, people in his campaign did.

Trump will probably be impeached for the cover up though and obstruction of justice by firing THREE people who were investigating the Russian collusion issue. That's how they nabbed Nixon and I think that's how they will nab Trump.

queencitybuckeye;1852476 wrote:The smoke continues to be used as cover for the abhorrent behavior of the side generating said smoke. The left has been very successful in making the story about the source of the hacks and obscuring the content, which was horrific and in some cases criminal.

I agree.
But, the fact remains, there is an ongoing FBI investigation on the Russian hacking with the DNC that does involve looking into members of the Trump campaign.

ptown_trojans_1;1852484 wrote:I agree.
But, the fact remains, there is an ongoing FBI investigation on the Russian hacking with the DNC that does involve looking into members of the Trump campaign.

There should be two investigations, one focusing on any possible involvement by anyone in the current administration, and one focused on the wrongdoing exposed by the hack.

queencitybuckeye;1852485 wrote:There should be two investigations, one focusing on any possible involvement by anyone in the current administration, and one focused on the wrongdoing exposed by the hack.

I would support this.

sleeper;1852478 wrote:Trump will probably be impeached for the cover up though and obstruction of justice by firing THREE people who were investigating the Russian collusion issue. That's how they nabbed Nixon and I think that's how they will nab Trump.

He's not going to be impeached. Now it's like you're just being stupid on purpose.

fish82;1852489 wrote:He's not going to be impeached. Now it's like you're just being stupid on purpose.

Well we each have our predictions. I've been wrong before but it's rare.

But let me know when you want to have a discussion like an adult and provide a meaningful contribution to this thread.

fish82;1852489 wrote:He's not going to be impeached. Now it's like you're just being stupid on purpose.

If Dems somehow take the House in 2018....then all you need is to get Trump under oath and there's no way he doesn't tell lies (if Slick Willy got impeached, surely Trump could).

Current odds running about 60%, which sounds absurd but then you have to wonder about rumors of BIG overseas money betting on it. To be putting significant money on such horrible odds would make you think someone knows something. But the big overseas money could also be a very fake rumor.

But it's been 10 months....we still don't have anything more than Flynn talking on the phone about sanctions a month before being confirmed.

sleeper;1852490 wrote:Well we each have our predictions. I've been wrong before but it's rare.

But let me know when you want to have a discussion like an adult and provide a meaningful contribution to this thread.

Ready whenever you decide to get around to it.

gut;1852492 wrote:If Dems somehow take the House in 2018....then all you need is to get Trump under oath and there's no way he doesn't tell lies (if Slick Willy got impeached, surely Trump could).

Current odds running about 60%, which sounds absurd but then you have to wonder about rumors of BIG overseas money betting on it. To be putting significant money on such horrible odds would make you think someone knows something. But the big overseas money could also be a very fake rumor.

But it's been 10 months....we still don't have anything more than Flynn talking on the phone about sanctions a month before being confirmed.

I hadn't looked at the markets yet. I'll probably put some of my leftover election winnings on it.

sleeper;1852490 wrote:Well we each have our predictions. I've been wrong before but it's rare.

But let me know when you want to have a discussion like an adult and provide a meaningful contribution to this thread.

It hasn't even been rare on this thread, let alone rare all around...

fish82;1852495 wrote:I hadn't looked at the markets yet. I'll probably put some of my leftover election winnings on it.

It could be a rigged game - if he gets re-elected, then you might have to wait out the whole 8 years (and I think, technically, it includes quitting which given his age could just as likely be health related in the next 8 years).

Plus, the way the Dems are so entirely off their rocker, it's a decent bet they will, at some point, re-take the House and then impeachment is very likely (while actually being removed from office would still be very unlikely).

sleeper;1852475 wrote:That's completely false and you know it. The reality is, the 'liberal media' is just part of the propaganda used by the right wing sites to ignore reality. Also, the idea that the media, outside of Fox News, didn't question Obama's "scandals" is also asinine. They covered plenty of his missteps just maybe not the stupid shit like the Dijon mustard or Tan suit 'scandals'.

CNN even covered the expensive vacations that Obama and his family took with a critical tone(like Fox) but Fox News is completely silent about the RATE of which Trump is spending on vacations. It's only 'biased' because Fox News is so far right that anything moderate seems like 'radical leftism'. It's quite embarrassing what Fox News is doing to this country.

No way a rational human being can believe that CNN isn't biased and part of the left wing media. Are they as biased as MSNBC? Of course not, but that channel is on par with Rush Limbaugh when it comes to the bias scale.

CNN and Fox are both biased and counterparts to each other. Fox leans right, CNN leans left, they are the two closest to center news outlets on cable TV anyway.

jmog;1852509 wrote:No way a rational human being can believe that CNN isn't biased and part of the left wing media. Are they as biased as MSNBC? Of course not, but that channel is on par with Rush Limbaugh when it comes to the bias scale.

CNN and Fox are both biased and counterparts to each other. Fox leans right, CNN leans left, they are the two closest to center news outlets on cable TV anyway.

You're delusional. CNN is getting worse but I find it to be relatively moderate. The problem with CNN is not the 'bias' but rather how they are becoming more entertainment than news.

gut;1852505 wrote:It could be a rigged game - if he gets re-elected, then you might have to wait out the whole 8 years (and I think, technically, it includes quitting which given his age could just as likely be health related in the next 8 years).

Yeah, if it includes him quitting that's probably a non-starter.

gut;1852505 wrote:Plus, the way the Dems are so entirely off their rocker, it's a decent bet they will, at some point, re-take the House and then impeachment is very likely (while actually being removed from office would still be very unlikely).

If they were to re-take the HOR, it won't be until 2022 at the earliest...which would be 1/2 way through a 2nd term. If he's still POTUS, it's likely that things are going well enough with the economy that they wouldn't have the stones to impeach him anyway IMO.

sleeper;1852475 wrote:That's completely false and you know it. The reality is, the 'liberal media' is just part of the propaganda used by the right wing sites to ignore reality. Also, the idea that the media, outside of Fox News, didn't question Obama's "scandals" is also asinine. They covered plenty of his missteps just maybe not the stupid shit like the Dijon mustard or Tan suit 'scandals'.

CNN even covered the expensive vacations that Obama and his family took with a critical tone(like Fox) but Fox News is completely silent about the RATE of which Trump is spending on vacations. It's only 'biased' because Fox News is so far right that anything moderate seems like 'radical leftism'. It's quite embarrassing what Fox News is doing to this country.

How would you know this about FOX news if you never, ever watch it because watching it would mean that you are complicit in supporting Trump?

CenterBHSFan;1852522 wrote:How would you know this about FOX news if you never, ever watch it because watching it would mean that you are complicit in supporting Trump?

I do watch it on occasion. It's propaganda.