O-Trap
Posts: 14,994
Jun 27, 2017 11:34am
Yep. Dude asked to have his account deleted. Nobody quite obliged him that, but let's say he doesn't have access to it anymore.gut;1860327 wrote:Sleeper actually left?
Haha, I hadn't really noticed. Now that you mention it, seems like Isadore hasn't been posting, either.
After reading the back and forth (which I actually appreciated, since everyone stayed relatively even-keeled), I think his point was that while the overall bias of national media might be a matter of fact, it's probably not knowable unless we assume the metrics used to be objectively based and quantifiable, which may not be the case.gut;1860419 wrote:LOL, then what have you been arguing for the last two pages?
What IS your point? An academic discussion on how not to do academic research?
For the record, the national media definitely leans left overall, and I disagree with the right on probably 50% of its platform.
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Jun 27, 2017 11:39am
Dr Winston O'Boogie
Posts: 1,799
Jun 27, 2017 11:47am
I was making a theoretical point as to the fact that proving something media bias is impossible. I was never arguing that there isn't bias. From my personal standpoint, I believe there is a great deal of bias, mostly toward the left. My point however was that the answer to the question of "Is there bias in the media?" can never be proven - that's all.gut;1860419 wrote:LOL, then what have you been arguing for the last two pages?
What IS your point? An academic discussion on how not to do academic research?
Spock
Posts: 2,853
Jun 27, 2017 12:16pm
you werent talking theories........you believe what you were talking.Dr Winston O'Boogie;1860431 wrote:I was making a theoretical point as to the fact that proving something media bias is impossible. I was never arguing that there isn't bias. From my personal standpoint, I believe there is a great deal of bias, mostly toward the left. My point however was that the answer to the question of "Is there bias in the media?" can never be proven - that's all.
Heretic
Posts: 18,820
Jun 27, 2017 12:32pm
It makes a political conversation with Sleeper and Isadore taking on Belly and Quaker seem like the peak of intellectual debate. Scary ass shit going on down there!superman;1860356 wrote:It's hilarious
O-Trap
Posts: 14,994
Jun 27, 2017 12:40pm
I've gotta see this ...Heretic;1860438 wrote:It makes a political conversation with Sleeper and Isadore taking on Belly and Quaker seem like the peak of intellectual debate. Scary ass shit going on down there!
Dr Winston O'Boogie
Posts: 1,799
Jun 27, 2017 12:45pm
True.Spock;1860435 wrote:you werent talking theories........you believe what you were talking.
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Jun 27, 2017 1:58pm
Heretic;1860438 wrote:It makes a political conversation with Sleeper and Isadore taking on Belly and Quaker seem like the peak of intellectual debate. Scary ass shit going on down there!
Belly and I remain undefeated................just in case you are keeping tabs
Heretic
Posts: 18,820
Jun 27, 2017 2:24pm
Big if true.QuakerOats;1860458 wrote:Belly and I remain undefeated................just in case you are keeping tabs
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
Jun 27, 2017 4:35pm
So studies that show the number of positive vs negative stories by the media for X candidate vs Y candidate, when averaged over "all" races wouldn't count as proving just because some people wouldn't believe it?Dr Winston O'Boogie;1860333 wrote:I guess I haven't done a very good job of making my point. I used this chart for a reason. The chart shows a high percentage of conservatives think the media is biased toward liberals and that a lower percentage of liberals think the media is biased toward conservatives. Although this chart doesn't show it, I'll go a step further and assume that more people in general (across the entire population) think the media leans more left than right. Those things measure the opinions of people. So if you use them to say, "Factually proven, the media leans left", that would be untrue to whatever portion of the population sees it the opposite way - even if its a minority. A study that "proves" media bias is proof only to those who agree with its outcome. Those who do not would say that the study is wrong. Assuming there will always be significant numbers of people who are on both sides of this, no study then can ever be accepted at proof of anything.
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
Jun 27, 2017 4:38pm
I forgot I threw a bit of gas on that fire down there a couple days ago with a one line post. I forgot to check back...might be hard to find/follow.O-Trap;1860443 wrote:I've gotta see this ...
Dr Winston O'Boogie
Posts: 1,799
Jun 27, 2017 5:24pm
It's that some people could disagree with what the study considers positive or negative stories.jmog;1860486 wrote:So studies that show the number of positive vs negative stories by the media for X candidate vs Y candidate, when averaged over "all" races wouldn't count as proving just because some people wouldn't believe it?
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superman
Posts: 3,582
Jun 27, 2017 6:22pm
Some people could disagree that the sky is blue. That doesn't make their opinion valid.Dr Winston O'Boogie;1860496 wrote:It's that some people could disagree with what the study considers positive or negative stories.
Dr Winston O'Boogie
Posts: 1,799
Jun 27, 2017 8:14pm
The color of the sky can be exactly measured with a scientific device by measuring solar radiation regardless of what anyone claims to see when the look up there. Media bias does not have a similar exactitude.superman;1860506 wrote:Some people could disagree that the sky is blue. That doesn't make their opinion valid.
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superman
Posts: 3,582
Jun 27, 2017 8:25pm
Except it does in the minds of all rationale people.Dr Winston O'Boogie;1860517 wrote:The color of the sky can be exactly measured with a scientific device by measuring solar radiation regardless of what anyone claims to see when the look up there. Media bias does not have a similar exactitude.
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chiefy jones
Posts: 1,037
Jun 27, 2017 9:57pm
Did you think of that all on your own? Gee you're clever.jmog;1860487 wrote:I forgot I threw a bit of gas on that fire down there a couple days ago with a one line post. I forgot to check back...might be hard to find/follow.
Dr Winston O'Boogie
Posts: 1,799
Jun 27, 2017 10:52pm
That may be true. Most all of us know media bias when we see it. That's different from someone saying it can be proveni.superman;1860521 wrote:Except it does in the minds of all rationale people.
O-Trap
Posts: 14,994
Jun 28, 2017 1:12am
I started reading it, but I realized I didn't have that much time, so I stopped before I got too far into it.jmog;1860487 wrote:I forgot I threw a bit of gas on that fire down there a couple days ago with a one line post. I forgot to check back...might be hard to find/follow.
Hey, where did you come from?chiefy jones;1860534 wrote:Did you think of that all on your own? Gee you're clever.
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chiefy jones
Posts: 1,037
Jun 28, 2017 5:53am
I'm always close by.O-Trap;1860547 wrote:
Hey, where did you come from?
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isadore
Posts: 7,762
Jun 28, 2017 8:33am
Gosh a ruddies, a Republican uses the exact right term to describe Trump and his supporters:
Over the weekend, Mr. McConnell made clear his unhappiness to the White House after a “super PAC” aligned with Mr. Trump started an ad campaign against Senator Dean Heller, Republican of Nevada, after he said last week that he opposed the health care bill.
The majority leader — already rankled by Mr. Trump’s tweets goading him to change Senate rules to scuttle Democratic filibusters — called the White House chief of staff, Reince Priebus, to complain that the attacks were “beyond stupid,” according to two Republicans with knowledge of the tense exchange.
….The move against Mr. Heller had the blessing of the White House, according to an official with America First, because Mr. Trump’s allies were furious that the senator would side with Nevada’s governor, Brian Sandoval, a Republican who accepted the Medicaid expansion under the health law and opposes the Republican overhaul, in criticizing the bill
http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/06/mcconnell-trump-attacks-are-beyond-stupid/
Over the weekend, Mr. McConnell made clear his unhappiness to the White House after a “super PAC” aligned with Mr. Trump started an ad campaign against Senator Dean Heller, Republican of Nevada, after he said last week that he opposed the health care bill.
The majority leader — already rankled by Mr. Trump’s tweets goading him to change Senate rules to scuttle Democratic filibusters — called the White House chief of staff, Reince Priebus, to complain that the attacks were “beyond stupid,” according to two Republicans with knowledge of the tense exchange.
….The move against Mr. Heller had the blessing of the White House, according to an official with America First, because Mr. Trump’s allies were furious that the senator would side with Nevada’s governor, Brian Sandoval, a Republican who accepted the Medicaid expansion under the health law and opposes the Republican overhaul, in criticizing the bill
http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/06/mcconnell-trump-attacks-are-beyond-stupid/
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Jun 28, 2017 10:27am
Mother Jones, sounds legit
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Jun 28, 2017 11:22am
True, and Belly does it with one eye, and me with one arm tied behind my backHeretic;1860463 wrote:Big if true.
Heretic
Posts: 18,820
Jun 28, 2017 11:29am
Amazingly, this probably will only be about the 15th most delusional post you'll make this week!QuakerOats;1860587 wrote:True, and Belly does it with one eye, and me with one arm tied behind my back
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Jun 28, 2017 11:34am
And we continue to await positive input from you.
Good luck.
Good luck.
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isadore
Posts: 7,762
Jun 28, 2017 12:39pm
McConnell told White House chief of staff Reince Priebus over the weekend that the group's attacks were "beyond stupid," according to a Republican with knowledge of the exchange. The person demanded anonymity to share the private conversation. McConnell allies argued that the approach alienated Heller and other Republicans rather than making it easier to get their votesgut;1860573 wrote:Mother Jones, sounds legit
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/trump-groups-aggressive-health-care-moves-irritate-gop-48312623