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jmog
Posts: 6,567
Jun 15, 2017 1:53pm
No way you could have actually listened to (more than once) both Hannity and Rush and have the opinion that Hannity is more right wing than Rush. No way...gut;1858927 wrote:Ehhhh, I don't think Limbaugh is nearly as right-wing as Hannity. Hannity is H-O-R-R-I-B-L-E....though probably not as bad as Beck. Not sure I've really ever heard Levin.
It's not just that Hannity is a blowhard, he's an idiot.
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Jun 15, 2017 2:48pm
Yes, 100%. Hannity is very right wing (easily the most right wing of any popular hosts), and an idiot.jmog;1859217 wrote:No way you could have actually listened to (more than once) both Hannity and Rush and have the opinion that Hannity is more right wing than Rush. No way...
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jun 15, 2017 4:10pm
Signs into law Obama's fiduciary rule, his followers say he's rolling back Obama's crippling regulations. Lol riiiight.QuakerOats;1859168 wrote:Hopefully the media stays enthralled with it too ...........................while he continues the massive rollback of obama's crippling regulatory and administrative state.
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Jun 15, 2017 4:52pm
That rule is outside the CRA ..........so it will be going back through public comment periods and a re-write. He can't just violate the law and the constitution (even though it might make sense) like his predecessor did.SportsAndLady;1859235 wrote:Signs into law Obama's fiduciary rule, his followers say he's rolling back Obama's crippling regulations. Lol riiiight.
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ppaw1999
Posts: 344
Jun 24, 2017 9:28pm
https://www.yahoo.com/news/ap-fact-check-trump-missions-unaccomplished-121651072.html
Alternate facts or media untruths? Fact checking seems to be a thing of the past.
Alternate facts or media untruths? Fact checking seems to be a thing of the past.
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superman
Posts: 3,582
Jun 24, 2017 10:07pm
Glad the media finally started holding government accountable. Too bad they were asleep the last 8 years.ppaw1999;1860178 wrote:https://www.yahoo.com/news/ap-fact-check-trump-missions-unaccomplished-121651072.html
Alternate facts or media untruths? Fact checking seems to be a thing of the past.
Dr Winston O'Boogie
Posts: 1,799
Jun 25, 2017 9:31am
I have been reading criticisms and call outs of Obama ever since he came into office.superman;1860180 wrote:Glad the media finally started holding government accountable. Too bad they were asleep the last 8 years.
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superman
Posts: 3,582
Jun 25, 2017 9:43am
Links?Dr Winston O'Boogie;1860192 wrote:I have been reading criticisms and call outs of Obama ever since he came into office.
Dr Winston O'Boogie
Posts: 1,799
Jun 25, 2017 10:58am
I'm not really sure what you're looking for. I can easily find articles criticizing all aspects of Obama's presidency: those written at the time and those reflecting upon it at the end. Try any type of Google search and I think you'll see the same.superman;1860193 wrote:Links?
Every president in office receives loads of criticism in the media. The criticism is not hard to find at all. What Trump is now receiving is no different than what Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter, etc. all faced. The vitriol today is harsher, but that comes from political commentators' being more prevalent on the peripheries of the media.
Right wingers think liberal presidents get a break. Left wingers think conservative presidents get a break. There never will be any consensus in this because everyone of us sees the environment through our own lenses.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/rulings/promise-broken/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/obama-promises/
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jan/09/barack-obama-legacy-presidency
http://www.alternet.org/media/progressive-critics-obamacare-still-not-happy-glass-half-empty-or-half-full
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superman
Posts: 3,582
Jun 25, 2017 1:45pm
So three sources that aren't mainstream media and a Wapo opinion piece that gives him way too much credit.Dr Winston O'Boogie;1860199 wrote:I'm not really sure what you're looking for. I can easily find articles criticizing all aspects of Obama's presidency: those written at the time and those reflecting upon it at the end. Try any type of Google search and I think you'll see the same.
Every president in office receives loads of criticism in the media. The criticism is not hard to find at all. What Trump is now receiving is no different than what Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter, etc. all faced. The vitriol today is harsher, but that comes from political commentators' being more prevalent on the peripheries of the media.
Right wingers think liberal presidents get a break. Left wingers think conservative presidents get a break. There never will be any consensus in this because everyone of us sees the environment through our own lenses.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/rulings/promise-broken/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/obama-promises/
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jan/09/barack-obama-legacy-presidency
http://www.alternet.org/media/progressive-critics-obamacare-still-not-happy-glass-half-empty-or-half-full
Spock
Posts: 2,853
Jun 25, 2017 4:18pm
Winston isn't really intelligent if he posts that and believed it
Dr Winston O'Boogie
Posts: 1,799
Jun 25, 2017 5:48pm
There was plenty more. My point is that we will always see things through our own biases. Saying a particular side doesn't get a fair shake from the news media doesn't make it a fact. From your perspective, Obama had it easier than Trump does. I don't agree. We both watch the same thing through two different lensessuperman;1860205 wrote:So three sources that aren't mainstream media and a Wapo opinion piece that gives him way too much credit.
Dr Winston O'Boogie
Posts: 1,799
Jun 25, 2017 5:50pm
I can't vouch for my intelligence or lack thereof. My middle school daughter often thinks I'm the dumbest person in the history of the universe.Spock;1860215 wrote:Winston isn't really intelligent if he posts that and believed it
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superman
Posts: 3,582
Jun 25, 2017 5:58pm
Jmog has posted scientific studies showing that I'm right.Dr Winston O'Boogie;1860224 wrote:There was plenty more. My point is that we will always see things through our own biases. Saying a particular side doesn't get a fair shake from the news media doesn't make it a fact. From your perspective, Obama had it easier than Trump does. I don't agree. We both watch the same thing through two different lenses
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Jun 25, 2017 6:13pm
I don't think it takes a rocket scientist to realize most of the mainstream media leans left (to be generous), and are simply not as tough on Dems as they are on Repubs. And Obama is a completely different animal, because he was a historic POTUS and clearly someone the Dems hope to be the face of the party for the next 30 years.Dr Winston O'Boogie;1860224 wrote: Saying a particular side doesn't get a fair shake from the news media doesn't make it a fact.
Dr Winston O'Boogie
Posts: 1,799
Jun 25, 2017 6:56pm
Just because you see media being easier on dems than repubs doesn't make is so. I don't think something like that can ever be proven because people see it through their own lense, bias, experience, preexisting attitude, etc. Both sides claim the media is biased toward them. I think that's because it's human nature to see criticism of your stance/yourself as an act of hostility. Plus claiming media bias is a great way to rally support kind of like a coach or player does when he/she says, "everyone doubted us" or "no one believed in us".gut;1860231 wrote:I don't think it takes a rocket scientist to realize most of the mainstream media leans left (to be generous), and are simply not as tough on Dems as they are on Repubs.
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superman
Posts: 3,582
Jun 25, 2017 7:32pm
Would you accept a little scientific proof?Dr Winston O'Boogie;1860236 wrote:Just because you see media being easier on dems than repubs doesn't make is so. I don't think something like that can ever be proven because people see it through their own lense, bias, experience, preexisting attitude, etc. Both sides claim the media is biased toward them. I think that's because it's human nature to see criticism of your stance/yourself as an act of hostility. Plus claiming media bias is a great way to rally support kind of like a coach or player does when he/she says, "everyone doubted us" or "no one believed in us".
http://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/Media-Bias-Is-Real-Finds-UCLA-6664
Dr Winston O'Boogie
Posts: 1,799
Jun 25, 2017 7:55pm
I am not arguing whether or not the media is biased. In my view, it's not something that can truly be objectively measured. Studies to do that are criticized almost like the media outlets they attempt to measure.superman;1860239 wrote:Would you accept a little scientific proof?
http://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/Media-Bias-Is-Real-Finds-UCLA-6664
I found this article which does a better job of laying out this point than I do: https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/how-biased-is-the-media-really/2012/04/27/gIQA9jYLmT_story.html?utm_term=.b697740547a2
My original point is that you claimed the media was "asleep" during Obama's presidency. I don't agree. From my admittedly subjective perspective, I saw him constantly being criticized. Because of my political leanings, I thought the coverage was biased and unfair at times. You could have looked at the same coverage and come to the very opposite conclusion. Ultimately this perception is a subjective thing.
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superman
Posts: 3,582
Jun 25, 2017 9:26pm
The media admitted it was time to "wake up" when Trump got elected.Dr Winston O'Boogie;1860241 wrote:I am not arguing whether or not the media is biased. In my view, it's not something that can truly be objectively measured. Studies to do that are criticized almost like the media outlets they attempt to measure.
I found this article which does a better job of laying out this point than I do: https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/how-biased-is-the-media-really/2012/04/27/gIQA9jYLmT_story.html?utm_term=.b697740547a2
My original point is that you claimed the media was "asleep" during Obama's presidency. I don't agree. From my admittedly subjective perspective, I saw him constantly being criticized. Because of my political leanings, I thought the coverage was biased and unfair at times. You could have looked at the same coverage and come to the very opposite conclusion. Ultimately this perception is a subjective thing.
I've shown you scientific studies.
You're jyst being an ass at this point.
fish82
Posts: 4,111
Jun 25, 2017 9:46pm
In general, the bulk of the media is significantly more sympathetic toward democrats than they are toward republicans.
It's been proven by numerous credible studies...and is a fact that's really not disputable.
DWO is pretty much doubling down on dumb ITT.
It's been proven by numerous credible studies...and is a fact that's really not disputable.
DWO is pretty much doubling down on dumb ITT.
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Jun 25, 2017 9:49pm
It absolutely can, and has. Or can you just use common sense to see that "fair and objective" is applied differently by left and right sources to Dems and Repubs. And since the "mainsteam media" is dominated by left leaning organizations and reporters, it goes without saying that the overall media generally skew left.Dr Winston O'Boogie;1860241 wrote:I am not arguing whether or not the media is biased. In my view, it's not something that can truly be objectively measured. Studies to do that are criticized almost like the media outlets they attempt to measure.
Dr Winston O'Boogie
Posts: 1,799
Jun 25, 2017 10:26pm
There are "scientific" studies that show all sorts of things. A professor attempting to quantify something which, by its nature, isn't quantifiable doesn't change my point. I am not saying you are wrong or right. What I am saying is that none of us can look at the question impartially. We have opinions and prejudices that affect how we see something like this.superman;1860247 wrote:The media admitted it was time to "wake up" when Trump got elected.
I've shown you scientific studies.
You're jyst being an ass at this point.
Why do you call me an ass for expressing an opinion on an internet message board dedicated to politics? Isn't that what the forum is for?
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Jun 26, 2017 2:01am
Dr Winston O'Boogie;1860254 wrote:There are "scientific" studies that show all sorts of things. A professor attempting to quantify something which, by its nature, isn't quantifiable doesn't change my point. I am not saying you are wrong or right. What I am saying is that none of us can look at the question impartially. We have opinions and prejudices that affect how we see something like this.
Why do you call me an ass for expressing an opinion on an internet message board dedicated to politics? Isn't that what the forum is for?
Congrats...you managed to leave BOTH verbal and mental diarrhea on our porch step.
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superman
Posts: 3,582
Jun 26, 2017 4:39am
I wish when Sleeper left, he would have taken all of his accounts.
Dr Winston O'Boogie
Posts: 1,799
Jun 26, 2017 8:46am
Sleeper was condescending and insulting. I'm not trying to be either. I come on here to debate and have a little fun in doing so. If someone disagrees with my point of view, that's fine. That doesn't make them an ass or dumbass or whatever. We disagree. So what. What fun is a political forum if everyone held the exact same opinions in lockstep? That'd be boring as hell.superman;1860259 wrote:I wish when Sleeper left, he would have taken all of his accounts.