Media got you...hook, line, sinker!Heretic;1867217 wrote:You mean this one:
the use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.
Sounds like what happened there to me! Even if the culprit was white and didn't worship a different god... And before anyone plays the "But..but...but...Antifa" card, looks like the only casualty at the event was courtesy of Team Nazi.
he has won no new support and lost some from some of the anybody but Hillary crowd. He can not even get big businessmen who he admires so much to stay on his little committee.Spock;1867215 wrote:That is my point, boy. Trump doesn't have to do anything. The media is doing it for him. BTW.....6 million jobs, stock market realing and the lowest unemployment rate in 50 years. Yea he isn't doing anything like failing.
No, I've made it very clear I didn't vote for Trump and I'm not a Republican.SportsAndLady;1867216 wrote:The point I think we all took was you're just another party-first guy who is trying to argue whether or not it's domestic terrorism or not (who cares?) and trying to shift blame on the media instead of blaming the alt right nutjobs who are ramming their cars into people because they disagree with their ideologies.
gut;1867192 wrote:IMO, this was not "domestic terrorism". I don't think it was pre-planned. Counter-protestors there clashing and expecting to clash - if he had fired multiple shots into the crowd, we probably would have said that's what happens when people bring guns to mob fights. But because this guy used his car as a weapon he's a domestic terrorist?
I'm not looking to debate the semantics of "domestic terrorism", but per usual the media is just looking to pile on Trump no matter what he says. He could have said some things better.
Someone committed murder, and that's very sad and unfortunate. The real story here though, and it's been going on for a while, is the left is assembling to physically silence free speech. I don't buy the these right-wing hate groups suddenly became more violent because of Trump. They remain idiots just running their mouths - they don't go to various left wing protests to stir the pot and cause trouble....they didn't go to Bernie rallies to stir the pot and cause trouble...they never stirred the pot or caused trouble at their legitimate demonstrations UNTIL the left wing nutjobs showed up and got in their faces and instigated.
If you want to nip all this in the bud, then mobs of counter protestors without a permit go to jail. KKK having a rally - just fucking ignore it. What are you hoping to accomplish spending a few hours yelling at a bunch of hopelessly ignorant pricks you've never met? WTF is wrong with people, anyway?
isadore;1867208 wrote:The automobile seems to be becoming terrorists favorite weapon of choice.
Automatik;1867234 wrote:Yes, let's continue to cry about the media now.
Forget that it's 2017 and White Nationalists supporting genocide is a thing.
Is that how you respond to everything on the politics board? "If you don't agree, you're just an idiot falling for identity politics."gut;1867229 wrote:No, I've made it very clear I didn't vote for Trump and I'm not a Republican.
You're just another useful idiot falling into lazy identity politics when people disagree with you "oh, this is too complicated for me to process so I'm just going to call you a party guy".
You have two groups fighting and some jackass rams a car into the crowd. I agree with you, who cares, but the MEDIA does. So I guess you must be a "party guy" without even realizing it (which is the definition of a useful idiot, by the way". So I guess the media DOES deserve blame, in that regard.
Can you admit that both sides share blame here? And if the media doesn't really address that, or glorifies the "resistance", then maybe the media DOES deserve some blame.
Idiots on both sides exist, always have and always will. When the media throws kerosene on it and lights a match for ratings, yes I'm going to bitch about that because it's something we can actually change.
Who said it was cool? The swine had a valid permit. Did the counter protestors?Automatik;1867224 wrote:Yes, again...let's focus on the counter protesters. Nazi salutes, blood and soil chants on college campuses...totally cool.
SportsAndLady;1867246 wrote:Is that how you respond to everything on the politics board? "If you don't agree, you're just an idiot falling for identity politics."
If you're really trying to argue that you're not a republican, I think you should re read your posts. You're a republican dude, it's okay to admit it. I am one, too. But at least when a crazy republican Rams his car into people I'm not screaming about the media and democrats are part of the blame too!
LOL, the KKK has like 6000 members. Whatever can we do to stop the spread of their ideology? Yes, let's go violently clash with them sending people to the hospital and destroying property because we must stop the spread of their ideology! #WinningHeretic;1867251 wrote:Maybe THE PEOPLE just don't feel like tolerating long-standing hate groups taking over towns to spread their ideology.
Heretic;1867251 wrote:Maybe THE PEOPLE just don't feel like tolerating long-standing hate groups taking over towns to spread their ideology.
Reps and totally agree.like_that;1867260 wrote:This forum the last few days pretty much sums up the political landscape on steroids. Nobody is allowed to have a view without wearing black/white lenses. It's incredible how both parties and the media have forced everyone to conform to good/evil on every social or political discussion.
One of your dumber posts to date.QuakerOats;1867244 wrote:Is that like liberal democrats supporting infanticide?
The beauty of free speech is that it goes both ways. If they want to walk to the middle of the town square and be assholes, you're free to walk to the middle of the town square and call them assholes.Heretic;1867251 wrote:Maybe THE PEOPLE just don't feel like tolerating long-standing hate groups taking over towns to spread their ideology.
Forgive my cutting in, but this is a weird statement. If they aren't, then you don't share it with them, right?gut;1867252 wrote:The only thing I "share" with the Republican party is fiscal conservatism, which they aren't.
I do agree with this part. Not sure about sharing the "blame," but certainly taking part in driving up the rage.gut;1867252 wrote:Yes, the media deserves scrutiny and blame here. They are acting no differently then they do with the sensationalism around mass shootings and other incidents. It's divisive and it glorifies violent behavior. I'm not sure what makes you think that reflects any sort of political view.
Automatik;1867264 wrote:One of your dumber posts to date.
Myself...not a lib, not a dem. I'm pro choice. Hope you can wrap your closed mind around that.
like_that;1867260 wrote:This forum the last few days pretty much sums up the political landscape on steroids. Nobody is allowed to have a view without wearing black/white lenses. It's incredible how both parties and the media have forced everyone to conform to good/evil on every social or political discussion.
unbelievable. your continuing attempt to give a moral equivalence to Nazi.gut;1867247 wrote:Who said it was cool? The swine had a valid permit. Did the counter protestors?
Yes, let's ignore half the equation that led to this violence. That's real productive.
He's not, but if you are too ignorant to know that, well too bad. I guess you will just have to remain a member of The Resistance.isadore;1867287 wrote:unbelievable. your continuing attempt to give a moral equivalence to Nazi.
resistance to racism, fascism and TrumpismQuakerOats;1867290 wrote:He's not, but if you are too ignorant to know that, well too bad. I guess you will just have to remain a member of The Resistance.
That's why I put "share" in quotes.O-Trap;1867267 wrote: Forgive my cutting in, but this is a weird statement. If they aren't, then you don't share it with them, right?
Yes, but free speech does not outweigh public safety. There are many places you are not permitted to assemble/protest without a permit, for purposes of both commerce and public safety. I don't think Libertarians believe an individuals choices or actions should impede someone else's.O-Trap;1867267 wrote:Also, I have to admit that I don't think the enforcement of permits for demonstration of free speech is a very libertarian idea. Just as an aside ...
Ah. I missed the significance of that. My bad.gut;1867307 wrote:That's why I put "share" in quotes.
We may just have to disagree on these points. I don't like the idea of anybody deciding how much risk is too much or how much "safety" is necessary for a right to not be infringed and then applying it to everyone. I know that's a topic of discussion among libertarians, though.gut;1867307 wrote:Yes, but free speech does not outweigh public safety. There are many places you are not permitted to assemble/protest without a permit, for purposes of both commerce and public safety. I don't think Libertarians believe an individuals choices or actions should impede someone else's.
I also think it might be worthwhile to look at restricting weapons and the like as a qualification of a permit to protest. The city is granting you a permit, providing police protection in some cases, and closing and barricading streets. I don't believe it infringes on free speech to say open carry is not permitted for participants in a protest or march. This guy used a car, but I think it's only a matter of time before all those guns and knives come out.
New day, new episode. If you tune in and watch, that's pretty much what they're going for.gut;1867307 wrote:Good call on the media becoming Jerry Springer. But with what happened in Barcelona looks like this story is already yesterday's news.