ZWICK 4 PREZ;1823110 wrote:I dont know who you voted for nor do i care.. you elected trump no matter what if you're a citizen of the US which I assume you are.

So you're guilty as well? OK, then.

ernest_t_bass;1823111 wrote:Why is Trump any more of a flawed "human being" than Hillary? Why isn't Hillary also considered a "flawed human being?" This really is an honest question.

Hillary hasn't admitted to being misongynistic. Hillary hasn't had multiple affairs (i guess that we know of). Hillary wasn't the one making offhanded and offcolor stereotypes. .. i mean are you really needing to know why?

ernest_t_bass;1823115 wrote:So you're guilty as well? OK, then.

Dude.. you made the assertation.. i rebutted it.. what are you missing here lol

I won't lie and say I'm surprised, but I should have called it. We did Sleeper's "book it" pick saying Hillary would win, which was her kiss of death.

Automatik;1823084 wrote:I'm somewhat enjoying it.

The wannabe feminists are my favorite so far. Yeah...she totally lost because she's a woman.

I had to go to Deadspin this morning just to read the comments going with their election coverage. For every one person who showed logic, there were plenty giving off the same sort of butthurt we've gotten for eight years from QQ, Belly, etc., where they're absolutely floored the entire country doesn't look at things their way. Those people being the same people who were ripping into most of the various male writers there because when they disclosed who they voted for, many of them took a "lesser of two evils" opinion of her, rather than being super-duper-happy to be voting her in.

queencitybuckeye;1823103 wrote:Going to local issues, have to love the party-line voters of Franklin County for electing a treasurer who has declared bankruptcy three times, has a misdemeanor conviction for writing a hot check, and a felony drug conviction. Makes me feel good about sending her my property tax check for our house up there.

How in the hell did this person get 53% of the vote?

Why are we allowing felons to run for office?

ZWICK 4 PREZ;1823116 wrote:Hillary hasn't admitted to being misongynistic. Hillary hasn't had multiple affairs (i guess that we know of). Hillary wasn't the one making offhanded and offcolor stereotypes. .. i mean are you really needing to know why?

Didn't matter man. At the end of the day, people just didn't like her.

ptown_trojans_1;1823120 wrote:Didn't matter man. At the end of the day, people just didn't like her.

no question. I didn't care for her either. Much prefered bernie.. but Id still vote for her every day of the week over Donald Trump.

BTW, this Michael Moore piece from July was spot freaking on on five reasons why Trump will win.
http://michaelmoore.com/trumpwillwin/

1. Midwest Math, or Welcome to Our Rust Belt Brexit.
2. The Last Stand of the Angry White Man.
3. The Hillary Problem.
4.The Depressed Sanders Vote.
5. The Jesse Ventura Effect.

wkfan;1823119 wrote:How in the hell did this person get 53% of the vote?

Why are we allowing felons to run for office?

I can't even guess why someone convicted of a financial crime, albeit a misdemeanor, would be eligible to be an official whose office handles money.

wkfan;1823119 wrote:How in the hell did this person get 53% of the vote?

Why are we allowing felons to run for office?

I can't even guess why someone convicted of a financial crime, albeit a misdemeanor, would be eligible to be an official whose office handles money. I consult with restaurant chains and such a person wouldn't be able to get a job as a cashier handling a few hundred dollars.

jedbartlet02;1823096 wrote:At this stage.....I'm leaning towards Cory Booker

Not gonna lie...he's pretty sharp.

After him though, the bench is pretty damn empty. I mean if Julian Castro is starting out on the varsity, things are pretty damn thin.

fish82;1823128 wrote:Not gonna lie...he's pretty sharp.

After him though, the bench is pretty damn empty. I mean if Julian Castro is starting out on the varsity, things are pretty damn thin.

Castro would likely be very high on the VP shortlist for whoever is the nominee in 2020

With the anger from the left after Trump's win.....Booker would have a strong chance to beat Trump

A couple of thoughts:

1) One of the reasons that I(and most people) were so confident is the data was strongly in favor of Clinton from Day 1 and leading up to Monday night. If you work for a polling firm, you may be looking for a new job come today/end of the week. There's clearly a massive flaw in polling methodologies and I daresay it's like either that polling centers have become ultra partisan and/or a majority of people surveyed said Clinton but ended up notching Trump on the ballot due to fear of being ostracized for their choice. The question "How did we miss so badly" will be studied for decades and whoever can answer this question has an opportunity to seize the polling market and become stupid rich.

2) I think the Democrat strategy of identity politics ultimately backfired right in their faces. Continuously blaming white people for all the world's problems and calling anyone who supports Trump(or conservative ideas) a racist/bigot/sexist really brought out white voters in mass against Clinton. The statistic was Clinton only got 51% of college educated white women, which is a demographic she was expected to absolutely shit stomp in giving Trump's comments/actions against women; what happened here? Where are all the people who voted for Obama?

3) I'll give credit to Trump. He spent nowhere near the money Clinton did, defied odds to win the Republican nomination, defied odds to win the Presidency, and did it by being openly racist/sexist and a general asshole. This will be studied for decades.

4) We're fucked.

Another name that some people here may not like but will be a major player for Dems in 2020:

Elizabeth Warren

Here's another name that isn't being mentioned much right now but trust me...a year from now it'll be on everyone's list for 2020:

Michelle Obama

sleeper;1823130 wrote:A couple of thoughts:

1) One of the reasons that I(and most people) were so confident is the data was strongly in favor of Clinton from Day 1 and leading up to Monday night. If you work for a polling firm, you may be looking for a new job come today/end of the week. There's clearly a massive flaw in polling methodologies and I daresay it's like either that polling centers have become ultra partisan and/or a majority of people surveyed said Clinton but ended up notching Trump on the ballot due to fear of being ostracized for their choice. The question "How did we miss so badly" will be studied for decades and whoever can answer this question has an opportunity to seize the polling market and become stupid rich.

2) I think the Democrat strategy of identity politics ultimately backfired right in their faces. Continuously blaming white people for all the world's problems and calling anyone who supports Trump(or conservative ideas) a racist/bigot/sexist really brought out white voters in mass against Clinton. The statistic was Clinton only got 51% of college educated white women, which is a demographic she was expected to absolutely shit stomp in giving Trump's comments/actions against women; what happened here? Where are all the people who voted for Obama?

3) I'll give credit to Trump. He spent nowhere near the money Clinton did, defied odds to win the Republican nomination, defied odds to win the Presidency, and did it by being openly racist/sexist and a general asshole. This will be studied for decades.

4) We're fucked.

Agreed on all accounts. #2 is huge for me.

jedbartlet02;1823133 wrote:Here's another name that isn't being mentioned much right now but trust me...a year from now it'll be on everyone's list for 2020:

Michelle Obama

jedbartlet02;1823132 wrote:Another name that some people here may not like but will be a major player for Dems in 2020:

Elizabeth Warren

Jesus Christ will you shut the fuck up already?

ZWICK 4 PREZ;1823117 wrote:Dude.. you made the assertation.. i rebutted it.. what are you missing here lol

Nothing. Just clarifying your statement. You stated I, as a USA American, am guilty of electing Trump. Just restating that, by your statement, we are are all guilty, including you.

This was decided the second sportsandlady said he voted for Clinton. He likes to hitch his trailer to losing causes.


I am...surprised.

I am not gonna lie, I was not going to cast a vote for President and it wasnt until a week before that I decided to give Trump my vote. At first, the Clinton commercials where they just played all of Trumps crazy things he said seemed to be a very good ploy, but after awhile my tune started to change. I started to think....maybe he is just crazy enough to be able to bring real change to the US and world. He is sooo far away from what we have been getting.

I also think DT bringing up the polls were rigged was a calculated ploy to fired up republicans who maybe werent going to vote to make sure they do so to overcome it being "rigged"

Trying to catch up, like most of you I was pretty surprised. Clearly doesn't jive with my opinions, nor do the election results jive with the America I know. I guess I'm in a city bubble. Hoping it won't be as bad as I thought, and really concerned for climate change legislative coming down the pipeline. I fear the Paris Agreements are gone.

ernest_t_bass;1823138 wrote:Nothing. Just clarifying your statement. You stated I, as a USA American, am guilty of electing Trump. Just restating that, by your statement, we are are all guilty, including you.

right.. but you made a claim that a lying crook wouldnt be any better... i pointed out you got a lying crook and some.

GOONx19;1823016 wrote:I cannot believe we just elected a racist, sexist, xenophobic bigot in 2016. He brings not one thing to the table, globally or nationally. I had two separate friends message me from Spain and Poland asking if their news is playing a prank.

If you truly believe he is those things "racist, sexist, etc" then you need to lay off MSNBC/CNN and research things for yourself.

jedbartlet02;1823086 wrote:Now that Trump is President-Elect......who do the Democrats nominate in 2020?

Who cares? You're leaving this site after the election, right?

jmog;1823144 wrote:If you truly believe he is those things "racist, sexist, etc" then you need to lay off MSNBC/CNN and research things for yourself.

I've done the research. I believe he is those things.

SportsAndLady;1823136 wrote:Jesus Christ will you shut the fuck up already?

Nope...I'm gonna stay right here to bother the shit out of you the next 4 year