like_that;1799129 wrote:Ok, I reread your post. That was a bit of a stretch on my part, but you did say hillbilly vs the cop. Not anyone with a CCW is some average schmo looking to carry a gun, because it looks cool. Most gun owners are pretty well trained. A high percentage of them are retired vets. I would venture to say they are trained better than cops. One CCW in the case of the Orlando shooting likely wouldn't have made a difference although it could. A few more CCWs could have made a difference. There are a lot of cases where a CCW saved a lot of lives. Again, I don't think guns at a bar is a good idea.

like_that;1799126 wrote:There has been a lot that has led to the decline. Data, gentrification, increase in police force in cities, etc. I was just pointing out that background checks have been doubled since 2000 and gun crime is lower than it has ever been. What more can you do in the background checks?

ZWICK 4 PREZ;1799131 wrote:i was addressing our resident racist jim teacher in his non air conditioned trailer. Hillbillys like him are the ones who perpetuate the lie that we're safer with having them around with a gun. There's literally nothing we can do about situations likes this. That includes carrying guns ourselves.

ZWICK 4 PREZ;1799131 wrote:i was addressing our resident racist jim teacher in his non air conditioned trailer. Hillbillys like him are the ones who perpetuate the lie that we're safer with having them around with a gun. There's literally nothing we can do about situations likes this. That includes carrying guns ourselves.

SportsAndLady;1799136 wrote:CCW inside of bars seems like an absolute awful idea lol

queencitybuckeye;1799133 wrote:You overrate firepower as opposed to element of surprise. A person inside with a concealed handgun may (emphasis may) have been able to do something about it. That person may have had to watch a number of people killed before being in a position to act, or that person may have had an opportunity to escape, which no one could (or at least should) blame him for.

To say that to do anything is impossible is not provable absent everyone else in the club obeying the law. You do not know.

queencitybuckeye;1799139 wrote:I don't disagree, but the dangerous ones are probably more likely to be those carrying in the bar illegally.

Automatik;1799141 wrote:The plot thickens...

http://gawker.com/orlando-shooter-was-reportedly-a-regular-at-pulse-and-h-1781920316

ZWICK 4 PREZ;1799140 wrote:dude there's no way. What are you carrying in most concealed guns? 5-6 rounds? Add the fact you're not taking accurate shots since your adrenaline is maxed out trying to keep you from dying. Those few rounds are gone waaaaay too quickly. And then what? I'm not against concealed carry. As long as you're not a dumb drunk and pull it during a fight. But there's no way in a high tense situation where your body is going full tilt, are you gonna get off shots that matter with a small carry gun. your best chances are running just like everyone else.

ZWICK 4 PREZ;1799140 wrote:dude there's no way. What are you carrying in most concealed guns? 5-6 rounds? Add the fact you're not taking accurate shots since your adrenaline is maxed out trying to keep you from dying. Those few rounds are gone waaaaay too quickly. And then what? I'm not against concealed carry. As long as you're not a dumb drunk and pull it during a fight. But there's no way in a high tense situation where your body is going full tilt, are you gonna get off shots that matter with a small carry gun. your best chances are running just like everyone else.

jmog;1799145 wrote:Pretty sure you lost some credibility there. 5 or 6 rounds? What is this the old west with 6 shooters?

Every modern hand gun holds around 12 rounds per magazine. 5 or 6? Come on Zwick have you honestly never even seen an action movie?

salto;1799090 wrote:It does have some "assault" similarities, like folding stocks, quick load magazines and some even have flash guards. Most AR-15s are marketed for their military/police/Special OP resemblance.

True, the AR 15's you can legally buy are semi automatic at the most and do not have any sort of automatic/3 round burst.

Plus close-to 80% of all murders by gun are actually performed by pistols but when wanting to mass murder a group, the AR-15 is indeed the weapon of choice.

ZWICK 4 PREZ;1799147 wrote:lol wtf do you know? I have a micro eagle that my brother in law sold me that he used to carry (he's a Cincinnati cop btw) that has a 6 round mag. I assure you it's not from the old west.

fish82;1799153 wrote:

Looks to to me like it's from his wife's purse. :laugh:

fish82;1799153 wrote:

Looks to to me like it's from his wife's purse. :laugh:

friendfromlowry;1799237 wrote:I can't believe all the paranoia I'm seeing about "taking guns from law-abiding citizens." It seriously can't be that much of a possibility?

friendfromlowry;1799241 wrote:I know it happens. Still can't believe the outrage, though.