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Jun 15, 2016 2:17 PM
Heretic;1799672 wrote: Apparently, legally, there's a difference between "knowing a guy said he was going to do something" and "knowing a guy was definitely going to do something". At least that's how I read that article.
I don't think she has a chance if it's proven she was with him several times casing the places, and with him buying the ammo. And it was a two hour drive - he told her "goodbye" and sounds like she know what he meant...and nothing.
Jun 15, 2016 2:17pm
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Jun 15, 2016 3:55 PM
she will likely spend time behind bars. Might even be civilly liable.
Jun 15, 2016 3:55pm
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Jun 15, 2016 9:17 PM
Islam, A Religion of Peace
Jun 15, 2016 9:17pm
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Jun 15, 2016 9:22 PM
Guys, you're losing the plot. Gun rights, the NRA the left wing liberals - they aren't to blame. This is Muslims: Muslims,Muslims, Muslims. This sick philosophy is the scourge of the earth and must be eradicated from the US. There are good Muslims? Yes,but there were good Nazis too. Islam is our enemy. A sick subhuman disease.
Jun 15, 2016 9:22pm
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Jun 15, 2016 10:01 PM
I do not believe this guy was any more representative of all Muslims than he was representative of all gun owners.
Jun 15, 2016 10:01pm
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Jun 15, 2016 11:26 PM
Dr Winston O'Boogie;1799698 wrote: . There are good Muslims? Yes,but there were good Nazis too. .
Really? Who were the good Nazis?

"First of all, what does "being good" mean. Without getting into the philosophical woods, I would say, that being good at a minimum means that you respect the life and dignity of others. This is fundamentally at odds with Nazi ideology."
https://www.quora.com/Were-there-any-good-Nazis



FatHobbit;1799706 wrote:I do not believe this guy was any more representative of all Muslims than he was representative of all gun owners.

I don't believe anyone has ever said he was a representative of either.

Jun 15, 2016 11:26pm
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Jun 16, 2016 8:35 AM
Dr Winston O'Boogie;1799697 wrote:Islam, A Religion of Peace
Dr Winston O'Boogie;1799698 wrote:Guys, you're losing the plot. Gun rights, the NRA the left wing liberals - they aren't to blame. This is Muslims: Muslims,Muslims, Muslims. This sick philosophy is the scourge of the earth and must be eradicated from the US. There are good Muslims? Yes,but there were good Nazis too. Islam is our enemy. A sick subhuman disease.
Is this real life?
Jun 16, 2016 8:35am
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Jun 16, 2016 9:14 AM
salto;1799720 wrote:Really? Who were the good Nazis?

"First of all, what does "being good" mean. Without getting into the philosophical woods, I would say, that being good at a minimum means that you respect the life and dignity of others. This is fundamentally at odds with Nazi ideology."
https://www.quora.com/Were-there-any-good-Nazis




I don't believe anyone has ever said he was a representative of either.

Schindler.
Jun 16, 2016 9:14am
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Jun 16, 2016 9:20 AM
FatHobbit;1799706 wrote:I do not believe this guy was any more representative of all Muslims than he was representative of all gun owners.
You're making too much sense. Stop it.
Jun 16, 2016 9:20am
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Jun 16, 2016 9:46 AM
FatHobbit;1799706 wrote:I do not believe this guy was any more representative of all Muslims than he was representative of all gun owners.

ISIS exterminates homosexuals, among others. Until we come to grips with who they are, by defining them, and develop a strategy and a plan to deal with them, how can we possibly win the war. Yet, in clockwork fashion, liberals and rags like the New York Times attempt to use this terrorist rampage to somehow blame republicans, the NRA, and gun owners in general, all for political gain. It is damn sickening to witness supposed leaders of this country parade around making complete fools of themselves and doing absolutely nothing worthwhile to defeat this radical hideous element that continues to gain ground on free people.

WAKE THE HELL UP.
Jun 16, 2016 9:46am
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Jun 16, 2016 9:47 AM
We are most definitely doing something in the Middle East to defeat them.

But here is another story. One which I don't what the fuck can be done to combat it.
Jun 16, 2016 9:47am
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Jun 16, 2016 10:03 AM
QuakerOats;1799745 wrote:ISIS exterminates homosexuals, among others. Until we come to grips with who they are, by defining them, and develop a strategy and a plan to deal with them, how can we possibly win the war.
ISIS <> all Muslims
Jun 16, 2016 10:03am
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Jun 16, 2016 10:11 AM
Which muslims are coming to the call of their country (USA)?

Which muslim leaders are turning in suspected muslim terrorists?
Jun 16, 2016 10:11am
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Jun 16, 2016 10:28 AM
Muslim leaders have denounced extremist activities over and over again. You seem to read a lot of articles, how the do you miss that?

Leaders turning them in? How the fuck would you do that when these lunatics are operating in secrecy?

I'm interested to see how the situation with Mateen's wife pans out.
Jun 16, 2016 10:28am
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Jun 16, 2016 10:31 AM
QuakerOats;1799745 wrote:ISIS exterminates homosexuals, among others. Until we come to grips with who they are, by defining them, and develop a strategy and a plan to deal with them, how can we possibly win the war. Yet, in clockwork fashion, liberals and rags like the New York Times attempt to use this terrorist rampage to somehow blame republicans, the NRA, and gun owners in general, all for political gain. It is damn sickening to witness supposed leaders of this country parade around making complete fools of themselves and doing absolutely nothing worthwhile to defeat this radical hideous element that continues to gain ground on free people.

WAKE THE HELL UP.
Short of a U.S. troop invasion and getting more involved in the civil war in Syria, what do you propose?
We are fighting back ISIS territory, and supporting the Iraqis in their fight.
I'm all ears to what else we should do.
QuakerOats;1799749 wrote:Which muslims are coming to the call of their country (USA)?

Which muslim leaders are turning in suspected muslim terrorists?
Sigh, what a narrow and totally dumb two statements.
A ton of them dude.
Jun 16, 2016 10:31am
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Jun 16, 2016 10:32 AM
Automatik;1799750 wrote:
I'm interested to see how the situation with Mateen's wife pans out.
Yeah, that will be interesting to see what she knew exactly, and if any charges can be filed.
She knew something, just to what extent is the question.
Jun 16, 2016 10:32am
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Jun 16, 2016 10:32 AM
But ohhhhhh "she's cooperating now"


Dumbass should have cooperated weeks ago.
Jun 16, 2016 10:32am
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Jun 16, 2016 10:35 AM
ptown_trojans_1;1799751 wrote:Short of a U.S. troop invasion and getting more involved in the civil war in Syria, what do you propose?
We are fighting back ISIS territory, and supporting the Iraqis in their fight.
I'm all ears to what else we should do.


Sigh, what a narrow and totally dumb two statements.
A ton of them dude.

Just to build on that. I have a mindless friend who loves to spout off baseless claims about the military and our "lack of effort" against ISIS. Do you want to see "boots on the ground"? I sure as shit dont.

As of 4:59 p.m. EST June 1, the U.S. and coalition have conducted a total of 12,685 strikes (8,661 Iraq / 4,024 Syria).
U.S. has conducted 9,663 strikes in Iraq and Syria (5,876 Iraq / 3,787 Syria)
Rest of Coalition has conducted 3,022 strikes in Iraq and Syria (2,785 Iraq / 237 Syria)
The countries that have participated in the strikes include:
In Iraq: (1) Australia, (2) Belgium, (3) Canada, (4) Denmark, (5) France, (6) Jordan, (7) The Netherlands, and (8) UK
In Syria: (1) Australia, (2) Bahrain, (3) Canada, (4) France, (5) Jordan, (6) The Netherlands, (7) Saudi Arabia, (8) Turkey (9) UAE and (10) UK
As of Apr. 16, U.S. and partner nation aircraft have flown an estimated 91,821 sorties in support of operations in Iraq and Syria
Jun 16, 2016 10:35am
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Jun 16, 2016 10:36 AM
Automatik;1799753 wrote:But ohhhhhh "she's cooperating now"


Dumbass should have cooperated weeks ago.
She needs a lawyer honestly. She is using this tragedy as her '15 minutes of fame' but didn't think it through that people are mad and are looking for someone to punish. She should have kept her mouth shut about "scoping the place out".

She will likely face some sort of jail time/punishment for this. I don't see how she can say what she said and not be seen as an accomplice to the shooting.
Jun 16, 2016 10:36am
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Jun 16, 2016 11:08 AM
Automatik;1799755 wrote:Just to build on that. I have a mindless friend who loves to spout off baseless claims about the military and our "lack of effort" against ISIS. Do you want to see "boots on the ground"? I sure as shit dont.

As of 4:59 p.m. EST June 1, the U.S. and coalition have conducted a total of 12,685 strikes (8,661 Iraq / 4,024 Syria).
U.S. has conducted 9,663 strikes in Iraq and Syria (5,876 Iraq / 3,787 Syria)
Rest of Coalition has conducted 3,022 strikes in Iraq and Syria (2,785 Iraq / 237 Syria)
The countries that have participated in the strikes include:
In Iraq: (1) Australia, (2) Belgium, (3) Canada, (4) Denmark, (5) France, (6) Jordan, (7) The Netherlands, and (8) UK
In Syria: (1) Australia, (2) Bahrain, (3) Canada, (4) France, (5) Jordan, (6) The Netherlands, (7) Saudi Arabia, (8) Turkey (9) UAE and (10) UK
As of Apr. 16, U.S. and partner nation aircraft have flown an estimated 91,821 sorties in support of operations in Iraq and Syria


Thanks. What is the overall strategy and plan to defeat ISIS and eradicate attacks on the homeland? Does a plan even exist? How could it exist if the commander-in-chief can not/will not define the enemy? Is open borders a part of his strategy to win? And on and on and on ................
Jun 16, 2016 11:08am
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Jun 16, 2016 11:10 AM
Valid questions. Earlier I addressed it...I don't know how to handle it and I'm sure you don't either.

Also, how would a "closed border" have any effect on the Orlando shooting?

The enemy has been defined for years. Take your own advice and wake the fuck up.
Jun 16, 2016 11:10am
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Jun 16, 2016 11:19 AM
QuakerOats;1799762 wrote:Thanks. What is the overall strategy and plan to defeat ISIS and eradicate attacks on the homeland? Does a plan even exist? How could it exist if the commander-in-chief can not/will not define the enemy? Is open borders a part of his strategy to win? And on and on and on ................
Same since after 9/11 man.
Just replace al qaeda with ISIS. The large infrastructure is still there.
What are you not getting?

What do you think that people were just sitting around saying oh shit, ISIS is here, let's get a plan!
Do a little research man.
One little google will see our NSS from Feb of 2015.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/docs/2015_national_security_strategy.pdf
Jun 16, 2016 11:19am
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Jun 16, 2016 11:21 AM
You do know your efforts are useless, right?

Doom and gloom is his game. Whining and complaining gets him through his days.
Jun 16, 2016 11:21am
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Jun 16, 2016 11:58 AM
ptown_trojans_1;1799764 wrote:Same since after 9/11 man.
Just replace al qaeda with ISIS. The large infrastructure is still there.
What are you not getting?

What do you think that people were just sitting around saying oh shit, ISIS is here, let's get a plan!
Do a little research man.
One little google will see our NSS from Feb of 2015.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/docs/2015_national_security_strategy.pdf



http://video.foxnews.com/v/4944581208001/cia-director-our-efforts-have-not-reduced-isis-capabilities/?intcmp=hpbt1#sp=show-clips



Carry on...
Jun 16, 2016 11:58am
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Jun 16, 2016 12:01 PM
What's your suggestion?
Jun 16, 2016 12:01pm