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Con_Alma
Posts: 12,198
May 12, 2016 11:20am
We've seen a couple of self proclaimed political "movements" and "revolutions" over the past couple of decades. It's a good thing they were fueled by altruism, wink, wink, because if they were driven by their stated desired results they all would have been a colossal failures.ptown_trojans_1;1795597 wrote:Hey. I'm with you, that's his thinking, not mine. I also don't buy into his "movement"
ptown_trojans_1
Posts: 7,632
May 12, 2016 12:44pm
So...your going with the media is in tank and they all joined together saying let's not report that Sanders should go third party, even though no one is reporting he is even thinking about it.QuakerOats;1795606 wrote:That is exactly what they have been doing for 4 months on the repub side. Tell the country the GOP is in complete disarray and now is the time for a 3rd party candidate to emerge and wrest control away from Donald etc..etc...... It really is hysterical to watch their blatant attempts at manipulation.
When the shoe is on the other foot ........oh boy; look out.
They could quite easily point out the fact that the supers coronated clinton early on to hand her the win, yet Sanders has won a ton of states and perhaps should consider a 3rd party run, especially since HE REALLY IS A 3RD PARTY (socialist).
Ok....
Is there evidence that Sanders is even thinking about going third party, or that he wants to, and that the media is not reporting it?
Or, are you just throwing shit on the wall, hoping it sticks and leads to Clinton losing?
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
May 12, 2016 1:30pm
Not sure how you keep missing the point; the media produces and pushes the narrative when it will serve to hurt the repub's; they never do it when it might hurt their (liberal) pre-ordained candidate.
No one in the republican primary mentioned going 3rd party, yet the media (fearing Trump traction) kept throwing it out there hoping someone would emerge to split the vote.
No one in the republican primary mentioned going 3rd party, yet the media (fearing Trump traction) kept throwing it out there hoping someone would emerge to split the vote.
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
May 12, 2016 1:32pm
The question again though, is why shouldn't Bernie go 3rd party? He is pretty old, this is his one shot; and he has whipped her in many, many states.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
May 12, 2016 1:38pm
He won't win and will just help secure Trump the nomination.QuakerOats;1795622 wrote:The question again though, is why shouldn't Bernie go 3rd party? He is pretty old, this is his one shot; and he has whipped her in many, many states.
Again, this post is entirely wishful thinking because Trump has no real chance at the Presidency.
O-Trap
Posts: 14,994
May 12, 2016 1:43pm
By no means do I like any of the candidates, but this was the first thing that came to mind when I read the title of the thread.ptown_trojans_1;1795618 wrote:Or, are you just throwing shit on the wall, hoping it sticks and leads to Clinton losing?
O-Trap
Posts: 14,994
May 12, 2016 1:45pm
I dunno, Quaker. It wasn't like the media pushed for Paul to run third-party in 2012.QuakerOats;1795621 wrote:Not sure how you keep missing the point; the media produces and pushes the narrative when it will serve to hurt the repub's; they never do it when it might hurt their (liberal) pre-ordained candidate.
No one in the republican primary mentioned going 3rd party, yet the media (fearing Trump traction) kept throwing it out there hoping someone would emerge to split the vote.
Heretic
Posts: 18,820
May 12, 2016 1:53pm
The thing that sucks is that there's about 180 more days of shit like this, as Quaker flails every more desperately because he's one of those people whose manhood is only validated if his party wins.
ptown_trojans_1
Posts: 7,632
May 12, 2016 2:10pm
Not sure I buy your conspiracy theory.QuakerOats;1795621 wrote:Not sure how you keep missing the point; the media produces and pushes the narrative when it will serve to hurt the repub's; they never do it when it might hurt their (liberal) pre-ordained candidate.
No one in the republican primary mentioned going 3rd party, yet the media (fearing Trump traction) kept throwing it out there hoping someone would emerge to split the vote.
I don't know, maybe he knows he can't win 3rd party and that no one have ever won 3rd party?QuakerOats;1795622 wrote:The question again though, is why shouldn't Bernie go 3rd party? He is pretty old, this is his one shot; and he has whipped her in many, many states.
He has not whipped her in many many states., She leads in pledged delegates and in overall votes to him.
So, you are off on your narrative.
Nice job at throwing shit at the wall.
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
May 12, 2016 2:26pm
She has 564 super delegates, he has 40. If he had just 200 super delegates he would be leading in total delegates. The supers who have coroneted her are the only thing keeping The Bernster from winning. Thus he should consider his alternatives, especially if he believes in his principles. Maybe he thinks he can't win as a 3rd party candidate, but right now he knows he can't win as long the 'super' fix is in.
Again though, the media will NOT go there.
Again though, the media will NOT go there.
ptown_trojans_1
Posts: 7,632
May 12, 2016 2:50pm
But, she is leading in pledged delegates and votes.
Why would the superdelegates ignore the pledge delegates and vote count?
You are not making any sense.
Why would the superdelegates ignore the pledge delegates and vote count?
You are not making any sense.
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
May 12, 2016 2:53pm
Are you really that unaware of why there are super-delegates or are you just tweaking QQ?ptown_trojans_1;1795632 wrote: Why would the superdelegates ignore the pledge delegates and vote count?
ptown_trojans_1
Posts: 7,632
May 12, 2016 2:55pm
Yes, I do know.queencitybuckeye;1795633 wrote:Are you really that unaware of why there are super-delegates or are you just tweaking QQ?
The superdelegates are not likely to override the one that has the majority of pledged delegates or the popular vote.
They did not in 2008, nor any other time.
Heretic
Posts: 18,820
May 12, 2016 2:56pm
So...Quaker's turned into one of those "But Gore won the popular vote, so why did Bush get the presidency?" people?
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
May 12, 2016 2:59pm
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
May 12, 2016 3:01pm
Do you really think they wouldn't do so in the case of a small advantage for Bernie? You're flat dreaming.ptown_trojans_1;1795634 wrote:Yes, I do know.
The superdelegates are not likely to override the one that has the majority of pledged delegates or the popular vote.
They did not in 2008, nor any other time.
ptown_trojans_1
Posts: 7,632
May 12, 2016 3:05pm
If Bernie overtakes her in pledged delegates and vote count?queencitybuckeye;1795637 wrote:Do you really think they wouldn't do so in the case of a small advantage for Bernie? You're flat dreaming.
I doubt it. The D's would have anarchy on their hands.
But, it won't happen. The math is too tough for him.
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
May 12, 2016 3:09pm
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/yes-bernie-sanders-will-win-the-contested-democratic-convention_b_9902066.html
maybe it doesn't matter if this is what is going to occur.
maybe it doesn't matter if this is what is going to occur.
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
May 12, 2016 3:10pm
Heretic;1795635 wrote:So...Quaker's turned into one of those "But Gore won the popular vote, so why did Bush get the presidency?" people?
LOL, kinda ...................but not really.....................even close.
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
May 12, 2016 3:13pm
I'm sure many of the supers didn't think Bern had a chance, plus they wanted to quickly get behind the pre-ordained selection. They may be having a lot of second thoughts now that Bern has been competitive, and Trump is polling even. If Bern leaves the reservation, they will probably lose their minds.
ptown_trojans_1
Posts: 7,632
May 12, 2016 3:23pm
Let's just get this straight, Clinton wins Cal, it is over officially.
QO can talk about a 3rd party run, but that is not plausible and the whole point of this thread is to try and throw shit at the wall and see what sticks for his man Trump.
QO can talk about a 3rd party run, but that is not plausible and the whole point of this thread is to try and throw shit at the wall and see what sticks for his man Trump.
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
May 12, 2016 3:55pm
You act like I am running Trump's campaign; I am not even a Trumpster.
I suggest Bernie should go 3rd party because he is locked out by super dems, and yet he has been more than formidable vs clinton, who has massive negatives. The timing could be right, or should he just walk away from his fan base and hope for a nice ambassadorship somewhere exotic.
I suggest Bernie should go 3rd party because he is locked out by super dems, and yet he has been more than formidable vs clinton, who has massive negatives. The timing could be right, or should he just walk away from his fan base and hope for a nice ambassadorship somewhere exotic.
Apple
Posts: 2,620
May 12, 2016 4:25pm
Like Cuba? He would fit in there ideologically pretty nicely.QuakerOats;1795645 wrote:You act like I am running Trump's campaign; I am not even a Trumpster.
I suggest Bernie should go 3rd party because he is locked out by super dems, and yet he has been more than formidable vs clinton, who has massive negatives. The timing could be right, or should he just walk away from his fan base and hope for a nice ambassadorship somewhere exotic.
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
May 12, 2016 4:27pm
They would do so. The super-delegates aren't some honorary position meant to always follow the majority of the membership. Again, they exist to keep the Trump types from "stealing" power from those currently in control. That they have not voted against the rank and file does not mean they won't.ptown_trojans_1;1795638 wrote:If Bernie overtakes her in pledged delegates and vote count?
I doubt it. The D's would have anarchy on their hands.
CenterBHSFan
Posts: 6,115
May 12, 2016 5:43pm
You act as though the media has never done this before lolptown_trojans_1;1795604 wrote:What you want the media to talk about something that is not plausible just to simply bring it up?