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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Aug 17, 2016 3:19pm
We can be certain that Trump did not take tax millions in tax deductions for amounts diverted to his own charity.
We can be certain that Trump has not been running a pay-to-play criminal operation out of the State Department for direct personal enrichment and indirect enrichment through related entities.
Again, the majority of her support comes from feminists and those receiving public assistance, not from producers and those who oppose graft.
We can be certain that Trump has not been running a pay-to-play criminal operation out of the State Department for direct personal enrichment and indirect enrichment through related entities.
Again, the majority of her support comes from feminists and those receiving public assistance, not from producers and those who oppose graft.
ptown_trojans_1
Posts: 7,632
Aug 17, 2016 3:38pm
He may well be doing something worse, we don't know.QuakerOats;1807743 wrote:We can be certain that Trump did not take tax millions in tax deductions for amounts diverted to his own charity.
We can be certain that Trump has not been running a pay-to-play criminal operation out of the State Department for direct personal enrichment and indirect enrichment through related entities.
Again, the majority of her support comes from feminists and those receiving public assistance, not from producers and those who oppose graft.
(I say likely not, but hell, we don't know.)
And, actually, all the polls show her support is a mixture of different groups, which is why she is killing Trump in all the battleground states.
The only area where Trump is winning are the poorly educated and like old white men. Last time I checked, that is not a path to 270 votes.
Trump is failing and badly.
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Aug 17, 2016 4:21pm
To be as close as he is as a complete outsider and having not spent a dollar yet is impressive. I will wait for the debates and the ad spending, as I am completely sure the media will continue to run interference for Clinton and her criminal enterprises, all the while continuing to parse every single word Trump says.
O-Trap
Posts: 14,994
Aug 17, 2016 4:22pm
If Trump doesn't have a charity, we can indeed be certain that he did not use it in tax evasion.QuakerOats;1807743 wrote:We can be certain that Trump did not take tax millions in tax deductions for amounts diverted to his own charity.
We can be certain that Trump has not been running a pay-to-play criminal operation out of the State Department for direct personal enrichment and indirect enrichment through related entities.
Again, the majority of her support comes from feminists and those receiving public assistance, not from producers and those who oppose graft.
We cannot, however, be certain that he didn't commit fraud on a massive scale using a fake school.
ptown_trojans_1
Posts: 7,632
Aug 17, 2016 4:27pm
Good God that is some spin. Are you going to say that too after he loses?QuakerOats;1807750 wrote:To be as close as he is as a complete outsider and having not spent a dollar yet is impressive. I will wait for the debates and the ad spending, as I am completely sure the media will continue to run interference for Clinton and her criminal enterprises, all the while continuing to parse every single word Trump says.
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Aug 17, 2016 4:38pm
Maybe you can't be sure.O-Trap;1807751 wrote:If Trump doesn't have a charity, we can indeed be certain that he did not use it in tax evasion.
We cannot, however, be certain that he didn't commit fraud on a massive scale using a fake school.
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Aug 17, 2016 4:43pm
He is going up against the most-vaunted political machine of all-time, a former president, 25 years of the Clinton name, access to billions of dollars, a disgusting and hateful media, and having to overcome nearly 50% of the electorate who are on the take from liberals using taxpayer money. And yet, he is most likely even with her, prior to the debates and spending ad money. But, have at it .......ptown_trojans_1;1807753 wrote:Good God that is some spin. Are you going to say that too after he loses?
CenterBHSFan
Posts: 6,115
Aug 17, 2016 4:53pm
Isn't Trump under audit? I seem to recall seeing that earlier on this thread (maybe, I can't really remember lol) that he's waiting for that to be finished before he releases his info. But I might be just misremembering.
ptown_trojans_1
Posts: 7,632
Aug 17, 2016 4:58pm
No he is not.QuakerOats;1807757 wrote:He is going up against the most-vaunted political machine of all-time, a former president, 25 years of the Clinton name, access to billions of dollars, a disgusting and hateful media, and having to overcome nearly 50% of the electorate who are on the take from liberals using taxpayer money. And yet, he is most likely even with her, prior to the debates and spending ad money. But, have at it .......
The aggregate of polls show him down by more than 3-6 points. That is not even.
He is getting killed in the battlegrounds states too
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/#plus
So, if he is that far down by not trying, why isn't he trying more? By your logic, he would be ahead if he was just spending more money and actually running a campaign.
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
Aug 17, 2016 4:59pm
He's tanking on purpose. The real issue is why it's still somewhat of a race given that she's the most qualified candidate ever.
CenterBHSFan
Posts: 6,115
Aug 17, 2016 5:19pm
Because the only people who like her are the low information crowdqueencitybuckeye;1807761 wrote:He's tanking on purpose. The real issue is why it's still somewhat of a race given that she's the most qualified candidate ever.
Apple
Posts: 2,620
Aug 17, 2016 6:28pm
How did fivethirtyeight.com do with the 2012 results? just wondering since I really don't know...
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superman
Posts: 3,582
Aug 17, 2016 7:10pm
Not sure if serious. But if you are, they correctly predicted all 50 states.Apple;1807770 wrote:How did fivethirtyeight.com do with the 2012 results? just wondering since I really don't know...
O-Trap
Posts: 14,994
Aug 18, 2016 2:04am
I can't be certain beyond a shadow of doubt, but since virtually everyone who has looked at Trump University has suggested that it's a fraud, and since the judge recently allowed the lawsuit to proceed, AND since there is still the possibility of a racketeering indictment, it's hardly beyond reasonable doubt to suspect it.QuakerOats;1807755 wrote:Maybe you can't be sure.
Same thing with Clinton. Awful lot of smoke for us to be pretending there's no fire.
It would hardly be a surprise, but I haven't heard that. I know he's facing a civil suit, and there's the potential for criminal racketeering charges, but I hadn't heard about this particular style of hot water.CenterBHSFan;1807759 wrote:Isn't Trump under audit? I seem to recall seeing that earlier on this thread (maybe, I can't really remember lol) that he's waiting for that to be finished before he releases his info. But I might be just misremembering.
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Aug 18, 2016 10:18am
even in Florida and within the margin of error in Ohio ...... and that includes some 'media' polls. But if you say it is over, then Hillary will be able to convert her remaining war chest over to personal use; she is great at diverting.ptown_trojans_1;1807760 wrote:No he is not.
The aggregate of polls show him down by more than 3-6 points. That is not even.
He is getting killed in the battlegrounds states too
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/#plus
So, if he is that far down by not trying, why isn't he trying more? By your logic, he would be ahead if he was just spending more money and actually running a campaign.
ptown_trojans_1
Posts: 7,632
Aug 18, 2016 10:40am
As the dude on CNN said yesterday, for Florida and Ohio, says Who?QuakerOats;1807866 wrote:even in Florida and within the margin of error in Ohio ...... and that includes some 'media' polls. But if you say it is over, then Hillary will be able to convert her remaining war chest over to personal use; she is great at diverting.
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/florida/
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/ohio/
The majority of polls have Trump down by more than the margin or error.
Stop getting your polls from right wing sources.
Heretic
Posts: 18,820
Aug 18, 2016 11:05am
That's the QQ mentality: Complain constantly about biased media that doesn't share his viewpoint; get all his info from biased media that happens to share his viewpoint. Act like there's a difference between the two.ptown_trojans_1;1807870 wrote:As the dude on CNN said yesterday, for Florida and Ohio, says Who?
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/florida/
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/ohio/
The majority of polls have Trump down by more than the margin or error.
Stop getting your polls from right wing sources.
CenterBHSFan
Posts: 6,115
Aug 18, 2016 1:57pm
Not sure about fivethiryeight, but CNN is certainly left. Stop getting your polls from left wing sources!
O-Trap
Posts: 14,994
Aug 18, 2016 2:31pm
Given FiveThirtyEight's track record, I'd say they're arguably the most trustworthy place for polls.CenterBHSFan;1807904 wrote:Not sure about fivethiryeight, but CNN is certainly left. Stop getting your polls from left wing sources!
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
Aug 18, 2016 2:42pm
Can't disagree with that given the fact that they did not miss a state in the last election.O-Trap;1807908 wrote:Given FiveThirtyEight's track record, I'd say they're arguably the most trustworthy place for polls.
CenterBHSFan
Posts: 6,115
Aug 18, 2016 2:44pm
Yeah. I wasn't referring to that, but thanks!O-Trap;1807908 wrote:Given FiveThirtyEight's track record, I'd say they're arguably the most trustworthy place for polls.
ptown_trojans_1
Posts: 7,632
Aug 18, 2016 3:06pm
My reference to CNN was this awkward exchange.CenterBHSFan;1807904 wrote:Not sure about fivethiryeight, but CNN is certainly left. Stop getting your polls from left wing sources!
http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/17/politics/donald-trump-michael-cohen-polls/
Yeah, they are my go to place. I also love their podcasts they do.O-Trap;1807908 wrote:Given FiveThirtyEight's track record, I'd say they're arguably the most trustworthy place for polls.
CenterBHSFan
Posts: 6,115
Aug 18, 2016 3:13pm
They're hoping to wave some magic wand and have things get better! I think at this point it would take that and more!ptown_trojans_1;1807915 wrote:My reference to CNN was this awkward exchange.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/17/politics/donald-trump-michael-cohen-polls/
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Aug 18, 2016 3:18pm
Wow. Total Trump-clone, complete with the bold power tie.ptown_trojans_1;1807915 wrote:My reference to CNN was this awkward exchange.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/17/politics/donald-trump-michael-cohen-polls/
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superman
Posts: 3,582
Aug 18, 2016 3:26pm
They looked brilliant in 2008 and 2012. Not so great this year so farO-Trap;1807908 wrote:Given FiveThirtyEight's track record, I'd say they're arguably the most trustworthy place for polls.