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Aug 17, 2016 3:19 PM
We can be certain that Trump did not take tax millions in tax deductions for amounts diverted to his own charity.

We can be certain that Trump has not been running a pay-to-play criminal operation out of the State Department for direct personal enrichment and indirect enrichment through related entities.


Again, the majority of her support comes from feminists and those receiving public assistance, not from producers and those who oppose graft.
Aug 17, 2016 3:19pm
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Aug 17, 2016 3:38 PM
QuakerOats;1807743 wrote:We can be certain that Trump did not take tax millions in tax deductions for amounts diverted to his own charity.

We can be certain that Trump has not been running a pay-to-play criminal operation out of the State Department for direct personal enrichment and indirect enrichment through related entities.


Again, the majority of her support comes from feminists and those receiving public assistance, not from producers and those who oppose graft.
He may well be doing something worse, we don't know.

(I say likely not, but hell, we don't know.)

And, actually, all the polls show her support is a mixture of different groups, which is why she is killing Trump in all the battleground states.
The only area where Trump is winning are the poorly educated and like old white men. Last time I checked, that is not a path to 270 votes.
Trump is failing and badly.
Aug 17, 2016 3:38pm
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Aug 17, 2016 4:21 PM
To be as close as he is as a complete outsider and having not spent a dollar yet is impressive. I will wait for the debates and the ad spending, as I am completely sure the media will continue to run interference for Clinton and her criminal enterprises, all the while continuing to parse every single word Trump says.
Aug 17, 2016 4:21pm
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Aug 17, 2016 4:22 PM
QuakerOats;1807743 wrote:We can be certain that Trump did not take tax millions in tax deductions for amounts diverted to his own charity.

We can be certain that Trump has not been running a pay-to-play criminal operation out of the State Department for direct personal enrichment and indirect enrichment through related entities.


Again, the majority of her support comes from feminists and those receiving public assistance, not from producers and those who oppose graft.
If Trump doesn't have a charity, we can indeed be certain that he did not use it in tax evasion.

We cannot, however, be certain that he didn't commit fraud on a massive scale using a fake school.
Aug 17, 2016 4:22pm
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Aug 17, 2016 4:27 PM
QuakerOats;1807750 wrote:To be as close as he is as a complete outsider and having not spent a dollar yet is impressive. I will wait for the debates and the ad spending, as I am completely sure the media will continue to run interference for Clinton and her criminal enterprises, all the while continuing to parse every single word Trump says.
Good God that is some spin. Are you going to say that too after he loses?
Aug 17, 2016 4:27pm
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Aug 17, 2016 4:38 PM
O-Trap;1807751 wrote:If Trump doesn't have a charity, we can indeed be certain that he did not use it in tax evasion.

We cannot, however, be certain that he didn't commit fraud on a massive scale using a fake school.
Maybe you can't be sure.
Aug 17, 2016 4:38pm
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Aug 17, 2016 4:43 PM
ptown_trojans_1;1807753 wrote:Good God that is some spin. Are you going to say that too after he loses?
He is going up against the most-vaunted political machine of all-time, a former president, 25 years of the Clinton name, access to billions of dollars, a disgusting and hateful media, and having to overcome nearly 50% of the electorate who are on the take from liberals using taxpayer money. And yet, he is most likely even with her, prior to the debates and spending ad money. But, have at it .......
Aug 17, 2016 4:43pm
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Aug 17, 2016 4:53 PM
Isn't Trump under audit? I seem to recall seeing that earlier on this thread (maybe, I can't really remember lol) that he's waiting for that to be finished before he releases his info. But I might be just misremembering.
Aug 17, 2016 4:53pm
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Aug 17, 2016 4:58 PM
QuakerOats;1807757 wrote:He is going up against the most-vaunted political machine of all-time, a former president, 25 years of the Clinton name, access to billions of dollars, a disgusting and hateful media, and having to overcome nearly 50% of the electorate who are on the take from liberals using taxpayer money. And yet, he is most likely even with her, prior to the debates and spending ad money. But, have at it .......
No he is not.
The aggregate of polls show him down by more than 3-6 points. That is not even.
He is getting killed in the battlegrounds states too
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/#plus


So, if he is that far down by not trying, why isn't he trying more? By your logic, he would be ahead if he was just spending more money and actually running a campaign.
Aug 17, 2016 4:58pm
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Aug 17, 2016 4:59 PM
He's tanking on purpose. The real issue is why it's still somewhat of a race given that she's the most qualified candidate ever.
Aug 17, 2016 4:59pm
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Aug 17, 2016 5:19 PM
queencitybuckeye;1807761 wrote:He's tanking on purpose. The real issue is why it's still somewhat of a race given that she's the most qualified candidate ever.
Because the only people who like her are the low information crowd :)
Aug 17, 2016 5:19pm
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Aug 17, 2016 6:28 PM
How did fivethirtyeight.com do with the 2012 results? just wondering since I really don't know...
Aug 17, 2016 6:28pm
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Aug 17, 2016 7:10 PM
Apple;1807770 wrote:How did fivethirtyeight.com do with the 2012 results? just wondering since I really don't know...
Not sure if serious. But if you are, they correctly predicted all 50 states.
Aug 17, 2016 7:10pm
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Aug 18, 2016 2:04 AM
QuakerOats;1807755 wrote:Maybe you can't be sure.
I can't be certain beyond a shadow of doubt, but since virtually everyone who has looked at Trump University has suggested that it's a fraud, and since the judge recently allowed the lawsuit to proceed, AND since there is still the possibility of a racketeering indictment, it's hardly beyond reasonable doubt to suspect it.

Same thing with Clinton. Awful lot of smoke for us to be pretending there's no fire.
CenterBHSFan;1807759 wrote:Isn't Trump under audit? I seem to recall seeing that earlier on this thread (maybe, I can't really remember lol) that he's waiting for that to be finished before he releases his info. But I might be just misremembering.
It would hardly be a surprise, but I haven't heard that. I know he's facing a civil suit, and there's the potential for criminal racketeering charges, but I hadn't heard about this particular style of hot water.
Aug 18, 2016 2:04am
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Aug 18, 2016 10:18 AM
ptown_trojans_1;1807760 wrote:No he is not.
The aggregate of polls show him down by more than 3-6 points. That is not even.
He is getting killed in the battlegrounds states too
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/#plus


So, if he is that far down by not trying, why isn't he trying more? By your logic, he would be ahead if he was just spending more money and actually running a campaign.
even in Florida and within the margin of error in Ohio ...... and that includes some 'media' polls. But if you say it is over, then Hillary will be able to convert her remaining war chest over to personal use; she is great at diverting.
Aug 18, 2016 10:18am
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Aug 18, 2016 10:40 AM
QuakerOats;1807866 wrote:even in Florida and within the margin of error in Ohio ...... and that includes some 'media' polls. But if you say it is over, then Hillary will be able to convert her remaining war chest over to personal use; she is great at diverting.
As the dude on CNN said yesterday, for Florida and Ohio, says Who?
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/florida/

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/ohio/

The majority of polls have Trump down by more than the margin or error.
Stop getting your polls from right wing sources.
Aug 18, 2016 10:40am
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Aug 18, 2016 11:05 AM
ptown_trojans_1;1807870 wrote:As the dude on CNN said yesterday, for Florida and Ohio, says Who?
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/florida/

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/ohio/

The majority of polls have Trump down by more than the margin or error.
Stop getting your polls from right wing sources.
That's the QQ mentality: Complain constantly about biased media that doesn't share his viewpoint; get all his info from biased media that happens to share his viewpoint. Act like there's a difference between the two.
Aug 18, 2016 11:05am
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Aug 18, 2016 1:57 PM
Not sure about fivethiryeight, but CNN is certainly left. Stop getting your polls from left wing sources!
Aug 18, 2016 1:57pm
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Aug 18, 2016 2:31 PM
CenterBHSFan;1807904 wrote:Not sure about fivethiryeight, but CNN is certainly left. Stop getting your polls from left wing sources!
Given FiveThirtyEight's track record, I'd say they're arguably the most trustworthy place for polls.
Aug 18, 2016 2:31pm
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Aug 18, 2016 2:42 PM
O-Trap;1807908 wrote:Given FiveThirtyEight's track record, I'd say they're arguably the most trustworthy place for polls.
Can't disagree with that given the fact that they did not miss a state in the last election.
Aug 18, 2016 2:42pm
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Aug 18, 2016 2:44 PM
O-Trap;1807908 wrote:Given FiveThirtyEight's track record, I'd say they're arguably the most trustworthy place for polls.
Yeah. I wasn't referring to that, but thanks!
Aug 18, 2016 2:44pm
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Aug 18, 2016 3:06 PM
CenterBHSFan;1807904 wrote:Not sure about fivethiryeight, but CNN is certainly left. Stop getting your polls from left wing sources!
My reference to CNN was this awkward exchange.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/17/politics/donald-trump-michael-cohen-polls/
O-Trap;1807908 wrote:Given FiveThirtyEight's track record, I'd say they're arguably the most trustworthy place for polls.
Yeah, they are my go to place. I also love their podcasts they do.
Aug 18, 2016 3:06pm
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Aug 18, 2016 3:13 PM
ptown_trojans_1;1807915 wrote:My reference to CNN was this awkward exchange.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/17/politics/donald-trump-michael-cohen-polls/
They're hoping to wave some magic wand and have things get better! I think at this point it would take that and more!
Aug 18, 2016 3:13pm
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Aug 18, 2016 3:26 PM
O-Trap;1807908 wrote:Given FiveThirtyEight's track record, I'd say they're arguably the most trustworthy place for polls.
They looked brilliant in 2008 and 2012. Not so great this year so far
Aug 18, 2016 3:26pm