Ya it's a shitty situation. I'm very close to being on the #nevertrump bandwagon. He's that bad. Then you have Hillary on the other side, who also disgusts me.

Automatik;1803963 wrote:Ya it's a shitty situation. I'm very close to being on the #nevertrump bandwagon. He's that bad. Then you have Hillary on the other side, who also disgusts me.

I'm in the same boat. Voting for HRC only to spite Trump.

I'll take the corrupt politician I know over the bombastic idiot that is Trump who doesn't understand how the political world works.

ZWICK 4 PREZ;1803913 wrote:I wonder too.... oh yeah.. absolutely fucking zero of them lol. Are you serious here? What president is going to come in and save companies from closing plants? I thought Republicans wanted to put more on the state, but you want the president who will fix state issues?

Domestic policy. Coalitions. Working with the House and Senate. Leading.
Do I think either one of them will show up and demand that the plant stay open? Nope. Do I think one of them (if not them, somebody else) can do the above? Hopefully. We've seen it happen before, maybe we can see it again.

Also, you were taking Bernie up to his elbow not too long ago and now you're all self-righteous and shit LOL!

gut;1803961 wrote:So basically Trump and Hillary would agree you are not great. Trump wants to shout encouraging words to you, while Hillary wants to tell you it's not your fault and write you a check.

Do I have the gist of it?

In my opinion. Trump breaks the mold...creates chaos at worst and at best leads the country to greatness. Hillary at worst socializes the country beyond repair at best...actually there is no best, she will continue to socialize the country and by the time the next election is up she will have over half the electorate under government subsidization and will have no problem getting a 2nd term. You shouldn't be able to go from hick to multi Millionaire by only being a politician. It shouldn't happen and the fact that the Clinton's have done it tells you they are nothing more than puppets of the establishment, Trump may be a billionaire, but he's not establishment.

It's only 4 or 8 years. Calm down.

SportsAndLady;1803962 wrote:It's certainly okay to be against Trump. It's certainly okay to be against Hillary.

What I can't fucking stand is when someone is against Trump and then is COMPLETELY FOR Hillary and vice versa. They're all the fucking same. It's politics. If you can't stand Hillary that's fine, but don't shit on Hillary and then be like now Donald trump on the other hand now that is someone who will do great and isn't manipulated by billionaires and will make this country great again!

They all suck. Their politicians.

Yep. That's the essential reality to it, as seen by people who aren't blinded by party line affiliations or gullible enough to be snowed in because a candidate said stuff they wanted to hear at a glorified pep rally.

CenterBHSFan;1803973 wrote:Domestic policy. Coalitions. Working with the House and Senate. Leading.
Do I think either one of them will show up and demand that the plant stay open? Nope. Do I think one of them (if not them, somebody else) can do the above? Hopefully. We've seen it happen before, maybe we can see it again.

Also, you were taking Bernie up to his elbow not too long ago and now you're all self-righteous and shit LOL!

The difference is I understand how the free market operates and know that Bernie, Hillary, Jeb, Trump, Cruz, Rubio will/can never curb this. If you're pissed about a comppany closing in Ohio, then talk to our state legislatures and ask why Ohio isnt as lucrative of a state as other to relocate too. No president will have any sort of control over that.

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/07/22/75-percent-positive-response-to-donald-trump-speech-so-cnn-trashes-its-own-poll/

jmog;1803881 wrote:Also, are you trying to say that straight people don't have homosexual interactions while in prison? You might want to check the facts.

That's not what he said. He said they "come out gay." There's a difference between having engaged in sex with other men while in prison and preferring it when you get out.

Crimson streak;1803920 wrote:You really think a guy that is that successful, who works with foreign leaders and leaders here in the U.S. Has zero policies? Come on now. He's spews shit bc it works and drives up polls and votes.

"Do whatever I can get away with that pads the bottom line."

Pretty sure that's been his policy since before he ever gave serious thought to becoming a card-carrying politician. He fits right in with the rest of Washington. Things like being great, making America great, putting people to work, cutting the BS, not caring about being PC, or any other such bumper sticker tripe are not actual policies, but that's what I've heard from his platform for the majority of his campaign. What's worse? The actual fans he has (no the "hold-your-nose" voters) regurgitate it as though it's some profound plan.

Spock;1803954 wrote:this post could be about Obama also

No objection there.

SportsAndLady;1803962 wrote:It's certainly okay to be against Trump. It's certainly okay to be against Hillary.

What I can't fucking stand is when someone is against Trump and then is COMPLETELY FOR Hillary and vice versa. They're all the fucking same. It's politics. If you can't stand Hillary that's fine, but don't shit on Hillary and then be like now Donald trump on the other hand now that is someone who will do great and isn't manipulated by billionaires and will make this country great again!

They all suck. Their politicians.

"But Trump isn't a politician. He's anti-establishment. He breaks the mold."

Just waiting for it, but your absolutely right. Trump and Clinton were politicians long before they ran for office.

ZWICK 4 PREZ;1803980 wrote:The difference is I understand how the free market operates and know that Bernie, Hillary, Jeb, Trump, Cruz, Rubio will/can never curb this. If you're pissed about a comppany closing in Ohio, then talk to our state legislatures and ask why Ohio isnt as lucrative of a state as other to relocate too. No president will have any sort of control over that.

This is the most accurate view on the topic.

A president can enact policies that make the US job market more functional and enticing, but it's not going to give Ohio companies some special leg up.


SIDE NOTE: When we heard that Trump's tagline was going to be 'Make America Great Again', did anyone else immediately think that was the most obvious rah-rah bullshit? I thought it was a joke. It sounds like satire.

O-Trap;1804000 wrote:SIDE NOTE: When we heard that Trump's tagline was going to be 'Make America Great Again', did anyone else immediately think that was the most obvious rah-rah bullshit? I thought it was a joke. It sounds like satire.

Lol, yeah, I've commented many times on how that's no different than 2008's "HOPE AND CHANGE, YES WE CAN!" deal of simple catchphrases to captivate the imaginations of simple people. The great/sad thing is that I've seen people who called "hope and change" pure BS acting like "make America great again" is something meaningful, as opposed to a simple catchphrase.

ZWICK 4 PREZ;1803980 wrote:The difference is I understand how the free market operates and know that Bernie, Hillary, Jeb, Trump, Cruz, Rubio will/can never curb this. If you're pissed about a comppany closing in Ohio, then talk to our state legislatures and ask why Ohio isnt as lucrative of a state as other to relocate too. No president will have any sort of control over that.

You're probably thinking that what is happening here is something akin to this: http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/business/2013/10/04/ormet-shutting-down.html
which arguably, could have managed much better over the years.

That's not just "no jobs want to stay in Ohio" and/or mismanaged. If you believe so, you're kidding yourself.
The jobs involved in that corporation are being moved to Mexico. That particular establishment in my first link has been sending dies and presses to Mexico for some time now. It's not like their moving to a right to work state or another state who offers greater tax incentives. And the corporation isn't through. They're looking at other places/jobs to move to Mexico as well.
For some reason, I was thinking that you in particular would have been knowledgeable about this sort of thing but, I might be thinking of somebody else.

Also, it's not just this one plant whose employees are facing their jobs moving to Mexico. This company has sister plants in several states, not to mention the other companies it works in tandem with.
Have you heard what's been going on with chrome companies?

There is also the fact of the mines and steel mills shutting down. Add all of this together and you see a swath of crippling economic devastation that is happening. Not just in Ohio, either. And dumbing it down to make it seem like it's some other problem is not the answer.

O-Trap;1804000 wrote: SIDE NOTE: When we heard that Trump's tagline was going to be 'Make America Great Again', did anyone else immediately think that was the most obvious rah-rah bullshit? I thought it was a joke. It sounds like satire.

Is it really substantially different from "Change we can believe in"?

LOL, here's the campaign slogans for this cycle:
Jeb!
Heal + Inspire + Revive (shouldn't revive come first, Doctor?)
Fresh Ideas for America
Telling it like it is
Hillary for America
Reigniting the promise of America
New Possibilities. Real Leadership
Ready to be commander-in-chief on day one (LOL - seriously Lindsay Graham)
From hope to higher ground
tanned, rested, ready (is this real?)
K for US
Rebuild the American Dream
People over politics
Defeat the Washington Machine. Unleash the American Dream. (longest one, I'm not saying that makes Rand a lousy campaigner)
A new American century
A political revolution is coming (is this Bolshevik or just bullshit)
Restore the American Dream for Hardworking Families
#ItsInOurHands (really? a hashtag and no spaces is obvious pandering to millenials)
Leadership you can trust

gut;1804010 wrote:

Is it really substantially different from "Change we can believe in"?

LOL, here's the campaign slogans for this cycle:
Jeb!
Heal + Inspire + Revive (shouldn't revive come first, Doctor?)
Fresh Ideas for America
Telling it like it is
Hillary for America
Reigniting the promise of America
New Possibilities. Real Leadership
Ready to be commander-in-chief on day one (LOL - seriously Lindsay Graham)
From hope to higher ground
tanned, rested, ready (is this real?)
K for US
Rebuild the American Dream
People over politics
Defeat the Washington Machine. Unleash the American Dream. (longest one, I'm not saying that makes Rand a lousy campaigner)
A new American century
A political revolution is coming (is this Bolshevik or just bullshit)
Restore the American Dream for Hardworking Families
#ItsInOurHands (really? a hashtag and no spaces is obvious pandering to millenials)
Leadership you can trust

"tanned, rested, ready" -- that has to be Bobby Jindal, right?

Heretic;1804011 wrote:"tanned, rested, ready" -- that has to be Bobby Jindal, right?

You're good!

gut;1804013 wrote:You're good!

Woo-hoo! I win...sadness for being able to pick out Bobby Jindal's slogan out of a crowd...

Welp, it's suicide for me again...

Speaking of Bernie, here is the party and candidate he just endorsed http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/288900-leaked-dnc-emails-reveal-secret-plans-to-take-on-sanders

like_that;1804015 wrote:Speaking of Bernie, here is the party and candidate he just endorsed http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/288900-leaked-dnc-emails-reveal-secret-plans-to-take-on-sanders

"The email does not name the Vermont senator, but it talks about a man of “Jewish heritage” Marshall believes to be an atheist."

Admittedly I don't know a lot about this, but seems a bit weak and I don't understand it. Why would the DNC want to stifle his campaign? And in doing so, if they had a party agenda against him, would they be so vague and pathetic in their attempt?

gut;1804010 wrote:

Is it really substantially different from "Change we can believe in"?

LOL, here's the campaign slogans for this cycle:
Jeb!
Heal + Inspire + Revive (shouldn't revive come first, Doctor?)
Fresh Ideas for America
Telling it like it is
Hillary for America
Reigniting the promise of America
New Possibilities. Real Leadership
Ready to be commander-in-chief on day one (LOL - seriously Lindsay Graham)
From hope to higher ground
tanned, rested, ready (is this real?)
K for US
Rebuild the American Dream
People over politics
Defeat the Washington Machine. Unleash the American Dream. (longest one, I'm not saying that makes Rand a lousy campaigner)
A new American century
A political revolution is coming (is this Bolshevik or just bullshit)
Restore the American Dream for Hardworking Families
#ItsInOurHands (really? a hashtag and no spaces is obvious pandering to millenials)
Leadership you can trust

Oh, it's not that different at all. I'd actually say it's closer in effect to the "Hope" and "Change" nonsense than it is to the rest of those. Trump's campaign slogan is, much like Obama's was, being held as gospel by his supporters ... as though there's a magical profundity to it.

While they're all just slogans, some of them at least sound a little less like they belong in an episode of American Dad. Obama's and Trumps ... those absolutely sound like they're from a cartoon. Even more so because the party base has eaten them up so ravenously.

Commander of Awesome;1804023 wrote:"The email does not name the Vermont senator, but it talks about a man of “Jewish heritage” Marshall believes to be an atheist."

Admittedly I don't know a lot about this, but seems a bit weak and I don't understand it. Why would the DNC want to stifle his campaign? And in doing so, if they had a party agenda against him, would they be so vague and pathetic in their attempt?

They were already obvious enough during the primary, probably didn't want any concrete evidence.

"It might may no difference, but for KY and WVA can we get someone to ask his belief. Does he believe in a God. He had skated on saying he has a Jewish heritage. I think I read he is an atheist. This could make several points difference with my peeps. My Southern Baptist peeps would draw a big difference between a Jew and an atheist,” the email says."


What other jewish democratic candidate was running in KY and WVA. I don't see why anyone who isn't running a presidential campaign would run in multiple states.

I thought Sanders was a typical partisan politician sell out after his endorsement, and this further solidifies it. If he comes out and says he takes his back his endorsement with this updated information, then I would respect him.

This is just the first leaks of Wikileaks "Hillary Leaks" series. They just leaked it an hourish ago. I think we are going to see more stories like this pop up.

bases_loaded;1803976 wrote:In my opinion. Trump breaks the mold...creates chaos at worst

Well hey, that doesn't sound too bad.
:RpS_blink:

FatHobbit;1804034 wrote:Well hey, that doesn't sound too bad.
:RpS_blink:

Well, I believe Hillary stacking the courts with liberal justices will probably be worse than anything Trump does. The Supreme Court is about the only thing standing in the way (theoretically) if the POTUS increasingly circumventing Congress via Executive Orders and Actions.

gut;1804040 wrote:Well, I believe Hillary stacking the courts with liberal justices will probably be worse than anything Trump does. The Supreme Court is about the only thing standing in the way (theoretically) if the POTUS increasingly circumventing Congress via Executive Orders and Actions.

Lol. Ok but bases_loaded was saying chaos is the worse thing that can happen under Trump as if that's ok. I'm picturing Mad Max type chaos. Sure I guess if that's the worst that can happen, why not

FatHobbit;1804042 wrote:Lol. Ok but bases_loaded was saying chaos is the worse thing that can happen under Trump as if that's ok. I'm picturing Mad Max type chaos. Sure I guess if that's the worst that can happen, why not

Oh, the Mad Max scenario is totally going to happen if the Global Warming fascists get their way :RpS_blink:

Commander of Awesome;1804023 wrote:"The email does not name the Vermont senator, but it talks about a man of “Jewish heritage” Marshall believes to be an atheist."

Admittedly I don't know a lot about this, but seems a bit weak and I don't understand it. Why would the DNC want to stifle his campaign? And in doing so, if they had a party agenda against him, would they be so vague and pathetic in their attempt?

That quote was only about one particular email. The ones questioning his religion and ties to atheism.