^^^6I remember in the early days of the campaign, people advancing the conspiracy theory that Trump was a Clinton plant designed to split the party. Maybe there is some credence to that, because he seems more and more like the ace in the hole for the Clintons. Very possible that the Republicans wrest back control of the party, only to see Trump go 3rd party.

BoatShoes;1778854 wrote:Trump is more liberal than Clinton on damn near everything save immigration so this should upset you lol.

Who knew all it takes to get GOP voters to support liberal priorities is Donald Trump.

Hilarious.

QuakerOats;1778890 wrote:Hilarious.

Indeed

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Liberals have been doing it wrong for decades. All you have to do is get a liberal who is not politically correct and who stands up to the,media into a republican primary and Quackker and co. will vote for them out of rabid tribalistic disdain for the democrat party.

Trump v. Hillary = liberalism wins - handed on a silver platter by staunch gop voters no less because they are impressed by Trump's bluster. Beautiful.

HitsRus;1778889 wrote:^^^6I remember in the early days of the campaign, people advancing the conspiracy theory that Trump was a Clinton plant designed to split the party. Maybe there is some credence to that, because he seems more and more like the ace in the hole for the Clintons. Very possible that the Republicans wrest back control of the party, only to see Trump go 3rd party.

At least in Ohio Trump would have to pull out before the Republican primary and get thousands of signatures to get on the ballot as an independent at this point I believe. Seems to me his opportunity to go independent has largely sailed.

BoatShoes;1778854 wrote:Trump is more liberal than Clinton on damn near everything save immigration so this should upset you lol.

Who knew all it takes to get GOP voters to support liberal priorities is Donald Trump.

As much as I can't stand Trump at all, this is not even close to being true.

Now, was Trump more liberal than he currently is 5-10 years ago? Obviously yes, now, he is either flipping because he really has changed his views, or he is flipping to screw with the process (remember, Reagan was a D before he was an R too).

There is no way for anyone who knows a dang thing about politics to say with a straight face that right now, Trump is more liberal than Hillary.

http://presidential-candidates.insidegov.com/compare/40-70/Hillary-Clinton-vs-Donald-Trump

Seriously BS, do you even believe half the crap you put out sometimes or is it just to get people like QO to QQ?

BoatShoes;1778910 wrote:Liberals have been doing it wrong for decades. All you have to do is get a liberal who is not politically correct and who stands up to the,media into a republican primary and Quackker and co. will vote for them out of rabid tribalistic disdain for the democrat party.

Trump v. Hillary = liberalism wins - handed on a silver platter by staunch gop voters no less because they are impressed by Trump's bluster. Beautiful.

You don't pay attention too much; he is probably among the least of my choices on the R side, but he would easily get my vote over Hillary if he is the nominee.

Maybe you could start with taxes --- Trump will cut taxes across the board; while your progressive/socialist/marxist candidates would raise them. Carry on.......

Yeah, saying Trump is more liberal than Hilliary is a hell of a stretch.
Trump is not a liberal or conservative, he is just Trump, a mesh of all them. We know he is not a conservative, the NRO killed him on it.

I do have one observation one Trump, which I hope the R's on here can square.
Trump's main thesis is he is the savior to make America great again. Only he can work to lead and make us great again.
Now, I heard that before...in 2008 with Obama. He used the same broad rhetoric about changing Washington, making us great, turning us away from the previous eight years.
What is the difference between Obama wanting to do things with executive power and Trump saying pretty much the same thing?
Why is it ok for the R's to have a strong armed guy that he is the only one that can do things, and yet it was not ok with Obama?

Or, are you betting more that Trump will find a way to work with Congress where Obama has not been able to?
I'm trying to square the two.
To me, Trump seems to be reaching for the same Executive power that R's destroy Obama on.

ptown_trojans_1;1778925 wrote:Yeah, saying Trump is more liberal than Hilliary is a hell of a stretch.
Trump is not a liberal or conservative, he is just Trump, a mesh of all them. We know he is not a conservative, the NRO killed him on it.

I do have one observation one Trump, which I hope the R's on here can square.
Trump's main thesis is he is the savior to make America great again. Only he can work to lead and make us great again.
Now, I heard that before...in 2008 with Obama. He used the same broad rhetoric about changing Washington, making us great, turning us away from the previous eight years.
What is the difference between Obama wanting to do things with executive power and Trump saying pretty much the same thing?
Why is it ok for the R's to have a strong armed guy that he is the only one that can do things, and yet it was not ok with Obama?

Or, are you betting more that Trump will find a way to work with Congress where Obama has not been able to?
I'm trying to square the two.
To me, Trump seems to be reaching for the same Executive power that R's destroy Obama on.

Coming from a conservative leaning libertarian (conservative on fiscal policies, libertarian on social/foreign policies), I don't want Trump at all.

However, if I had to choose between him and Hillary/Sanders I will unfortunately make that choice.

Now, to answer your question...

POTUS unilateral power through E.O.s is bad no matter what side of the aisle has power. I do, however, see Trump as more able to work with Congress than Obama has. Obama honestly has not compromised on one single thing in 7 years. It has been his way or the highway (and then he complains about Congress just being a "say no" Congress).

I am not sure Trump would be one to compromise much either, but he would be closer to what those in Congress believe in, so more may get done.

The main reason Clinton was a MUCH better POTUS than Obama was that he was willing to listen to the other side and make compromises. Look at the balanced budget deals he worked with the Rs that owned Congress at the time (of course, after he tried to get through his terrible spending spree in and failed). At least he was willing to change/work with the other side.

Not many rational people want trump. Just like most were aware Obama was not going to bring change, most don't believe trump will make America great again. Whatever the hell both of those mean.

Basically, Obama was elected in by minorities and stupid people who believed his lies. Trump is going to do the same but instead of minorities it's white trash poor people.

jmog;1778919 wrote:As much as I can't stand Trump at all, this is not even close to being true.

Now, was Trump more liberal than he currently is 5-10 years ago? Obviously yes, now, he is either flipping because he really has changed his views, or he is flipping to screw with the process (remember, Reagan was a D before he was an R too).

There is no way for anyone who knows a dang thing about politics to say with a straight face that right now, Trump is more liberal than Hillary.

http://presidential-candidates.insidegov.com/compare/40-70/Hillary-Clinton-vs-Donald-Trump

Seriously BS, do you even believe half the crap you put out sometimes or is it just to get people like QO to QQ?

His professed positions in any case save his budget exploding tax cuts and his immigration stance are more liberal than Hillary's in a number of areas.

Namely, he agrees with Bernie on Single payer and said as much during the first debate.

He opposes foreign intervention in almost all cases where Hillary supports foreign intervention e.g. libya, syria, Iraq.

He is a trade protectionist opposing the TPP and NAFTA like Bernie whereas Hillary supports the TPP and NAFTA and is generally supportive of free trade.

He is not agaonst gay marriage nor is her seriously against abortion...he has previously supported Partial Birth Abortion openly.

He has supported the elimination of income tax on individuals earning below 50k but increasing it on the very wealthy...not exactly standard liberal methodology but supportive of more wealth redistribution nevertheless.

Why do you think Romney style establishment Republicans are warming to Clinton??? Because she is more in favor of the establishment conservative worldview than Trump.

Sorry to burst your bubble but a vote for Trump is a vote for old school union protectionist economic liberalism and social New York Values liberalism. Please proceed.

ptown_trojans_1;1778925 wrote:Yeah, saying Trump is more liberal than Hilliary is a hell of a stretch.
Trump is not a liberal or conservative, he is just Trump, a mesh of all them. We know he is not a conservative, the NRO killed him on it.

I do have one observation one Trump, which I hope the R's on here can square.
Trump's main thesis is he is the savior to make America great again. Only he can work to lead and make us great again.
Now, I heard that before...in 2008 with Obama. He used the same broad rhetoric about changing Washington, making us great, turning us away from the previous eight years.
What is the difference between Obama wanting to do things with executive power and Trump saying pretty much the same thing?
Why is it ok for the R's to have a strong armed guy that he is the only one that can do things, and yet it was not ok with Obama?

Or, are you betting more that Trump will find a way to work with Congress where Obama has not been able to?
I'm trying to square the two.
To me, Trump seems to be reaching for the same Executive power that R's destroy Obama on.

You are using logic when support for Trump is visceral.

BoatShoes;1778934 wrote:

His professed positions in any case save his budget exploding tax cuts and his immigration stance are more liberal than Hillary's in a number of areas.

Namely, he agrees with Bernie on Single payer and said as much during the first debate.

He opposes foreign intervention in almost all cases where Hillary supports foreign intervention e.g. libya, syria, Iraq.

He is a trade protectionist opposing the TPP and NAFTA like Bernie whereas Hillary supports the TPP and NAFTA and is generally supportive of free trade.

He is not agaonst gay marriage nor is her seriously against abortion...he has previously supported Partial Birth Abortion openly.

He has supported the elimination of income tax on individuals earning below 50k but increasing it on the very wealthy...not exactly standard liberal methodology but supportive of more wealth redistribution nevertheless.

Why do you think Romney style establishment Republicans are warming to Clinton??? Because she is more in favor of the establishment conservative worldview than Trump.

Sorry to burst your bubble but a vote for Trump is a vote for old school union protectionist economic liberalism and social New York Values liberalism. Please proceed.

http://www.snopes.com/1998-trump-people-quote/

come on dude lol

ZWICK 4 PREZ;1778938 wrote:http://www.snopes.com/1998-trump-people-quote/

come on dude lol

Can't believe BS posted that picture. I've probably read 100 times not to believe that picture as its been proven false over and over again lol wow

ZWICK 4 PREZ;1778938 wrote:http://www.snopes.com/1998-trump-people-quote/

come on dude lol

SportsAndLady;1778940 wrote:Can't believe BS posted that picture. I've probably read 100 times not to believe that picture as its been proven false over and over again lol wow

ZWICK 4 PREZ;1778938 wrote:http://www.snopes.com/1998-trump-people-quote/

come on dude lol

Man got me there. Fail on my part. Nobody's perfect.

SportsAndLady;1778940 wrote:Can't believe BS posted that picture. I've probably read 100 times not to believe that picture as its been proven false over and over again lol wow

Alas I was pwned.

BoatShoes;1778934 wrote:

His professed positions in any case save his budget exploding tax cuts and his immigration stance are more liberal than Hillary's in a number of areas.

Namely, he agrees with Bernie on Single payer and said as much during the first debate.

He opposes foreign intervention in almost all cases where Hillary supports foreign intervention e.g. libya, syria, Iraq.

He is a trade protectionist opposing the TPP and NAFTA like Bernie whereas Hillary supports the TPP and NAFTA and is generally supportive of free trade.

He is not agaonst gay marriage nor is her seriously against abortion...he has previously supported Partial Birth Abortion openly.

He has supported the elimination of income tax on individuals earning below 50k but increasing it on the very wealthy...not exactly standard liberal methodology but supportive of more wealth redistribution nevertheless.

Why do you think Romney style establishment Republicans are warming to Clinton??? Because she is more in favor of the establishment conservative worldview than Trump.

Sorry to burst your bubble but a vote for Trump is a vote for old school union protectionist economic liberalism and social New York Values liberalism. Please proceed.

Not a trump fan, but congrats on posting a meme that is 100% false. http://www.snopes.com/1998-trump-people-quote/

You never struck me as somebody who would join the lowest common denominator on social media. Congrats on thinking everything on the internet must be true!

Didn't realize everyone responded to Bs already, but I'm just gonna keep my post up anyway.

Heretic;1778941 wrote:

Pwned, twas I.

BoatShoes;1778934 wrote:

His professed positions in any case save his budget exploding tax cuts and his immigration stance are more liberal than Hillary's in a number of areas.

Namely, he agrees with Bernie on Single payer and said as much during the first debate.

He opposes foreign intervention in almost all cases where Hillary supports foreign intervention e.g. libya, syria, Iraq.

He is a trade protectionist opposing the TPP and NAFTA like Bernie whereas Hillary supports the TPP and NAFTA and is generally supportive of free trade.

He is not agaonst gay marriage nor is her seriously against abortion...he has previously supported Partial Birth Abortion openly.

He has supported the elimination of income tax on individuals earning below 50k but increasing it on the very wealthy...not exactly standard liberal methodology but supportive of more wealth redistribution nevertheless.

Why do you think Romney style establishment Republicans are warming to Clinton??? Because she is more in favor of the establishment conservative worldview than Trump.

Sorry to burst your bubble but a vote for Trump is a vote for old school union protectionist economic liberalism and social New York Values liberalism. Please proceed.

Come on BS, I know you typically just copy/paste from some liberal websites complete with graphs and such to look smart, but come on...even your liberal buddies are calling you out on this one!

like_that;1778946 wrote:Not a trump fan, but congrats on posting a meme that is 100% false. http://www.snopes.com/1998-trump-people-quote/

You never struck me as somebody who would just the lowest common denominator on social media. Congrats on thinking everything on the internet must be true!

When I fail I acknowledge my fail and this was a fail.

My fake Trump quote was a fail.

In any case I stand by my assertion that if we are to take the totality of Trump's current professed positions at face value, he is more "liberal" on the issues of trade, foreign affairs, economic intervention in the economy and healthcare than Hillary.

He is not more liberal on most social issues because she has gone all in for the SJW vote but he is certainly more so than any recent Republican nominee.

He is hardcore protectionist on immigration and this is a view shared by both the traditional blue collar conservatives and blue collar union libs.

Think Hillary is scum? Fine...but Trump is not a better option if you are a traditional conservative who supports supply-side tax policy, market-based healthcare, free trade and American leadership in foreign affairs IMHO.

jmog;1778949 wrote:Come on BS, I know you typically just copy/paste from some liberal websites complete with graphs and such to look smart, but come on...even your liberal buddies are calling you out on this one!

The St Louis Fed is not a liberal website. This was a fail and I acknowledge my fails unlike you for example who could not admit that you fell for that fake Obama story that you posted a thread about and had to revert to the very unchristian sin of lying about it.

I failed and posted a meme based on lies. Nobody's perfect. Carry on with believing that you are choosing the more conservative option when you support Trump over Hillary come November.

BoatShoes;1778951 wrote:My fake Trump quote was a fail.

In any case I stand by my assertion that if we are to take the totality of Trump's current professed positions at face value, he is more "liberal" on the issues of trade, foreign affairs, economic intervention in the economy and healthcare than Hillary.

He is not more liberal on most social issues because she has gone all in for the SJW vote but he is certainly more so than any recent Republican nominee.

He is hardcore protectionist on immigration and this is a view shared by both the traditional blue collar conservatives and blue collar union libs.

Think Hillary is scum? Fine...but Trump is not a better option if you are a traditional conservative who supports supply-side tax policy, market-based healthcare, free trade and American leadership in foreign affairs IMHO.

Not sure how you talk yourself into posting this stuff.

He would cut taxes / she would try to raise them

He would sign the repeal of obamaKare / she would not

He would send healthcare back to the states, allow market forces to work, and allow competition across state lines / she would not

He would get illegal immigration under control / she would not

He would deport illegal criminals / she would not

He would sign corporate tax reform to allow repatriation of $2 trillion / she would not

He would get the NLRB off the ass of business / she would not

He would get rid of the marxists at the EPA / she would not


Shall we continue ...........