Archive 2016 Browns Season Thread

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vball10set

Posts: 24,795

Apr 25, 2016 4:43pm

slingshot4ever;1793195 wrote:Bradford demands trade...any interest in him?

No

Sonofanump;1793229 wrote:$36M for 2 years, umm, who wants that?

This

iclfan2

Posts: 6,360

Apr 27, 2016 12:17pm

Tomorrow is the big day. I'm leaning towards wanting to trade down to middle of the round, get a 2nd, and take Treadwell. Also seeing Conklin as a trade down target as well. Dolphins at #13 are one of the teams talking about trading up.

Benny The Jet

Posts: 2,987

Apr 27, 2016 12:17pm

Any chance Browns take a chance on Jaylon Smith with 1 of their 3rds? Not like we're in championship mode right now, he could pan out to be a steal IF he can come back healthy in '17.

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Sonofanump

Apr 27, 2016 12:35pm

Benny The Jet;1793544 wrote:Any chance Browns take a chance on Jaylon Smith with 1 of their 3rds? Not like we're in championship mode right now, he could pan out to be a steal IF he can come back healthy in '17.

I was wondering where he might go, maybe early 4th round.

SportsAndLady

Posts: 35,632

Apr 27, 2016 12:46pm

I doubt smith will ever be as good as he once was. I'd pass on him. Yes we have extra picks but we didn't make trades to get extra picks to make on huge question mark players like smith.

He'll go to the patriots or some team that can afford a boom or bust pick.

SportsAndLady

Posts: 35,632

Apr 27, 2016 12:47pm

I'm seeing a lot of buzz about the Browns taking Zeke Elliot. Not sure I would like that at all but it would at least give us a playmaker on offense (if he pans out). We'll see

like_that

Posts: 26,625

Apr 27, 2016 12:49pm

SportsAndLady;1793560 wrote:I'm seeing a lot of buzz about the Browns taking Zeke Elliot. Not sure I would like that at all but it would at least give us a playmaker on offense (if he pans out). We'll see

Fuck that noise. Trich all over again. If these guys are truly analytical guys they won't draft a rb in the first round. Hopefully they are trying to gain interest for zeke to trade down again.

Commander of Awesome

Posts: 23,151

Apr 27, 2016 12:52pm

SportsAndLady;1793559 wrote:I doubt smith will ever be as good as he once was. I'd pass on him. Yes we have extra picks but we didn't make trades to get extra picks to make on huge question mark players like smith.

He'll go to the patriots or some team that can afford a boom or bust pick.

Agree 100% here, no thanks on Smith.

like_that;1793562 wrote:Fuck that noise. Trich all over again. If these guys are truly analytical guys they won't draft a rb in the first round. Hopefully they are trying to gain interest for zeke to trade down again.

Agree 100% with this as well. No fucking thanks. I'm prob in the minority, but I think Crow/Duke is a pretty solid 1-2 combo. Remember how Duke would have a big 1st halfonly to disappear in the 2nd? Hopefully Jackson doesn't allow that BS to continue.

sleeper

Posts: 27,879

Apr 27, 2016 12:52pm

SportsAndLady;1793560 wrote:I'm seeing a lot of buzz about the Browns taking Zeke Elliot. Not sure I would like that at all but it would at least give us a playmaker on offense (if he pans out). We'll see

I like Zeke but not as our #1 pick unless we trade down into the late 20's and he's still there(he won't be).

sleeper

Posts: 27,879

Apr 27, 2016 12:53pm

SportsAndLady;1793559 wrote:I doubt smith will ever be as good as he once was. I'd pass on him. Yes we have extra picks but we didn't make trades to get extra picks to make on huge question mark players like smith.

He'll go to the patriots or some team that can afford a boom or bust pick.

This. No thanks on Smith.

like_that

Posts: 26,625

Apr 27, 2016 1:00pm

sleeper;1793565 wrote:I like Zeke but not as our #1 pick unless we trade down into the late 20's and he's still there(he won't be).

Even then I say fuck that.

Commander of Awesome

Posts: 23,151

Apr 27, 2016 1:06pm

like_that;1793577 wrote:Even then I say fuck that.

This, maybe late 2nd.

SportsAndLady

Posts: 35,632

Apr 27, 2016 1:06pm

An analytics guy might look at the Todd Gurley pick by St. Louis last year and think it was a very good pick and good value to get the offensive ROY at 8.

I'm not saying I agree with it, but from an analytics standpoint I could see Zeke being an option.

Commander of Awesome

Posts: 23,151

Apr 27, 2016 1:11pm

SportsAndLady;1793580 wrote:An analytics guy might look at the Todd Gurley pick by St. Louis last year and think it was a very good pick and good value to get the offensive ROY at 8.

I'm not saying I agree with it, but from an analytics standpoint I could see Zeke being an option.

http://archive.advancedfootballanalytics.com/2008/04/drafting-rbs.html

https://www.numberfire.com/nfl/news/8226/nfl-teams-need-to-stop-drafting-first-round-running-backs#

http://rotoviz.com/2016/03/running-backs-are-situational-players-and-not-to-be-picked-in-the-first-round/

Just say no to 1st round running backs.

Azubuike24

Posts: 15,933

Apr 27, 2016 1:35pm

Long-term investment wise, you would have to think the numbers favor never taking a RB in RD1. Even if you get a top 5 RB for 3-5 years, is it better than taking a solid LT for 12-15 years? An argument could be made for the latter regardless of the talent.

Benny The Jet

Posts: 2,987

Apr 27, 2016 1:40pm

like_that;1793562 wrote:Fuck that noise. Trich all over again. If these guys are truly analytical guys they won't draft a rb in the first round. Hopefully they are trying to gain interest for zeke to trade down again.

I feel like this is correct. The dolphins want him pretty bad I guess...could be trying to trade with us to grab him.

Mulva

Posts: 13,650

Apr 27, 2016 2:08pm

I would gamble a 4th-5th on Smith. But I always prefer the high reward possibilities in the 2nd half of the draft. Loved the Ifo pick, wanted them to take Burfict, etc

But I don't know if the analytics back that up. Would be curious to know the average career length of a 4th rounder, what percent ever make a pro bowl, how many games the average player starts (outside of special teams)

Commander of Awesome

Posts: 23,151

Apr 27, 2016 2:14pm

Azubuike24;1793585 wrote:Long-term investment wise, you would have to think the numbers favor never taking a RB in RD1. Even if you get a top 5 RB for 3-5 years, is it better than taking a solid LT for 12-15 years? An argument could be made for the latter regardless of the talent.

Actually no, I would say getting a solid LT for 12 yrs is better than a RB for 3.

SportsAndLady

Posts: 35,632

Apr 27, 2016 2:17pm

Commander of Awesome;1793596 wrote:Actually no, I would say getting a solid LT for 12 yrs is better than a RB for 3.

I think that is what he was saying.

Commander of Awesome

Posts: 23,151

Apr 27, 2016 2:20pm

SportsAndLady;1793597 wrote:I think that is what he was saying.

Oh you're right. Misread. Disregard my post.

Laley23

Posts: 29,506

Apr 27, 2016 2:25pm

Smith was a consensus top 10 player in this draft (many had top 5). Formerly #1 player in the country as a HSer. I would take him in the 3rd at some point. Worth it, IMO.

But he might not be there. Schefter Tweeted today Smith could go as high as 2nd round and doubts he lasts past the 3rd.

Crimson streak

Posts: 9,002

Apr 27, 2016 5:17pm

Laley23;1793600 wrote:Smith was a consensus top 10 player in this draft (many had top 5). Formerly #1 player in the country as a HSer. I would take him in the 3rd at some point. Worth it, IMO.

But he might not be there. Schefter Tweeted today Smith could go as high as 2nd round and doubts he lasts past the 3rd.

Agreed and it's not like he is some bum with a bad work ethic. The dude is one of the hardest working players you will find. There is no doubt he will come back from this injury nearly 100% it's not a matter of if but when. It could be this year, next year, 2 years from now.

SportsAndLady

Posts: 35,632

Apr 27, 2016 5:37pm

Crimson streak;1793645 wrote:Agreed and it's not like he is some bum with a bad work ethic. The dude is one of the hardest working players you will find. There is no doubt he will come back from this injury nearly 100% it's not a matter of if but when. It could be this year, next year, 2 years from now.

Lol there's no way you can say with 100% certainty that someone will be able to fully recover from a severe knee injury with bad nerve damage.

Laley23

Posts: 29,506

Apr 27, 2016 5:51pm

Yeah, no way I would say he will for sure be back at 100% or whatever.

However, I do think it's worth a flyer. I've also always been a fan of top recruits who pan out as top NFL picks. Shows they don't get complacent to some extent.

Commander of Awesome

Posts: 23,151

Apr 27, 2016 6:35pm

Cleveland Browns: League sources expect the Browns to consider Jack Conklin from Michigan State at pick No. 8 as they try to replace Mitchell Schwartz. The Browns were "in love" with Myles Jack, according to a scout employed with the team this past season, but that may have changed with new information regarding his knee. A scout still employed with the team believes the Browns will be active in moving up and down the board, but the scout says the priority will be on defense.

This would irritate the shit out of me. Let Top RT in football, an all pro, walk and use a PREMIUM resource to replace him when he went signed at a below market rate. If you want a RT so fucking bad, either stop playing penis flickers with Schwartz's contract (franchise him) or trade back, get some picks and take Decker.