HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
May 2, 2016 9:03pm
Kiper was right to pan the Browns draft...gave it a "C". The first part of it was gold....acquiring top talent and future high draft picks. The second part of it was a POS ... sacrificing quality for quantity. The trade down with the 75th (?)pick down to #93 to get an extra lower mid 4th round pick was a real head scratcher. The Browns took Kessler with #93. Had they resisted the urge to trade down again, they could have had Braxton Miller( a legitimate playmaker to go with Coleman) at 75....and then taken Kessler with their first pick in the 4th if he was so highly regarded. How much better the draft would have been if we had Miller versus the 2 "dime a dozen" extra WR we got as a result. More than likely, half those garbage round wideouts(or more) won't be on the opening roster.sleeper;1794494 wrote:Everyone except Mel Kiper likes the Browns draft.
I think it was a solid draft and its clear the Browns got their guys AND acquired quality draft picks in the future.
In my opinion, no doubt the Eagles will be picking the top 10 next year(and so will the Browns) giving us two quality impact players for next year. I hope this is a 3-4 year plan.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
May 2, 2016 9:06pm
Who gives a fuck what Kiper thinks? He is a Baltimore community college grad. He has given the browns good grades before and how did that pan out?HitsRus;1794598 wrote:Kiper was right to pan the Browns draft...gave it a "C". The first part of it was gold....acquiring top talent and future high draft picks. The second part of it was a POS ... sacrificing quality for quantity. The trade down with the 75th (?)pick down to #93 to get an extra lower mid 4th round pick was a real head scratcher. The Browns took Kessler with #93. Had they resisted the urge to trade down again, they could have had Braxton Miller( a legitimate playmaker to go with Coleman) at 75....and then taken Kessler with their first pick in the 4th if he was so highly regarded. How much better the draft would have been if we had Miller versus the 2 "dime a dozen" extra WR we got as a result. More than likely, half those garbage round wideouts(or more) won't be on the opening roster.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
May 2, 2016 10:00pm
Kiper and old school guys hated it. The top anaylitics site loved it and said best draft of the league.
What that tells me, these guys had a plan, and nailed it. They got exactly who they wanted, and when. Now, we don't know if this style will work out, but that's irrelevant when judging the draft. They hit a home run for what they are trying to do and how they are judging talent. Now just have to hope the analytics approach is a good one.
What that tells me, these guys had a plan, and nailed it. They got exactly who they wanted, and when. Now, we don't know if this style will work out, but that's irrelevant when judging the draft. They hit a home run for what they are trying to do and how they are judging talent. Now just have to hope the analytics approach is a good one.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
May 3, 2016 12:19am
I think Hit has a point. Taking Kessler, a career back up in the 3rd over guys like Miller or Billings seems like a mistake. The entire fourth round was pretty much shit IMO. Hope to be proven wrong.like_that;1794602 wrote:Who gives a fuck what Kiper thinks. He is a Baltimore community college grad. He has given the browns good grades before and how did that pan out?
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wkfan
Posts: 1,641
May 3, 2016 11:33am
Your premise relies on the theory that Braxton Miller will be a good NFL WR. Yes, he was a playmaker in college as a quarterback, but not last year as a WR.HitsRus;1794598 wrote:Kiper was right to pan the Browns draft...gave it a "C". The first part of it was gold....acquiring top talent and future high draft picks. The second part of it was a POS ... sacrificing quality for quantity. The trade down with the 75th (?)pick down to #93 to get an extra lower mid 4th round pick was a real head scratcher. The Browns took Kessler with #93. Had they resisted the urge to trade down again, they could have had Braxton Miller( a legitimate playmaker to go with Coleman) at 75....and then taken Kessler with their first pick in the 4th if he was so highly regarded. How much better the draft would have been if we had Miller versus the 2 "dime a dozen" extra WR we got as a result. More than likely, half those garbage round wideouts(or more) won't be on the opening roster.
Doesn't mean that he won't turn out to be...but at this point saying that "How much better the draft would have been if we had Miller versus the 2 "dime a dozen" extra WR we got as a result" is a stretch, IMO.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
May 3, 2016 12:29pm
This is a new approach; not the conventional drafting style. Just because Mel Kiper thinks a player is a good/bad doesn't mean anything. The fact that we "reached" based on their standards is meaningless to me because its clear we came in with a plan to draft players based on some analytics and we got those players. That's all that matters.HitsRus;1794598 wrote:Kiper was right to pan the Browns draft...gave it a "C". The first part of it was gold....acquiring top talent and future high draft picks. The second part of it was a POS ... sacrificing quality for quantity. The trade down with the 75th (?)pick down to #93 to get an extra lower mid 4th round pick was a real head scratcher. The Browns took Kessler with #93. Had they resisted the urge to trade down again, they could have had Braxton Miller( a legitimate playmaker to go with Coleman) at 75....and then taken Kessler with their first pick in the 4th if he was so highly regarded. How much better the draft would have been if we had Miller versus the 2 "dime a dozen" extra WR we got as a result. More than likely, half those garbage round wideouts(or more) won't be on the opening roster.
Whether the analytics approach works or not is another story. It works in baseball but can it work in the NFL? I don't know.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
May 3, 2016 12:35pm
I've read a lot of good things about Kessler. He may not be the QB of the future for the Browns but at least we didn't blow a high pick on him and its clear this is the QB they were targetting in this draft and they got him.Commander of Awesome;1794627 wrote:I think Hit has a point. Taking Kessler, a career back up in the 3rd over guys like Miller or Billings seems like a mistake. The entire fourth round was pretty much shit IMO. Hope to be proven wrong.
I think a lot of people forget that the draft is a lot more than just picking BPA based on consensus metrics. Sometimes you have to overreach on a pick because A) There is no trade available or B) You may not have a pick near where the player you want is actually valued. The draft should be defined by getting the players you wanted on your draft board closest to where you have them valued on the draft board. It doesn't always play out perfect.
I would be more interested to see the Browns actual draft board and how that panned out against the actual draft.
wildcats20
Posts: 27,794
May 3, 2016 12:45pm
Yup...Braxton Miller not a playmaker as a WR.
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
May 3, 2016 1:48pm
That's college. He had a very meh year. Maybe he didn't get the ball enough, maybe he's just not good enough at that position. It's a very uncommon switch at that point in someone's football career.
He did have a few "wow" plays though....very few.
I don't see him doing much in the pros, but I hope I'm wrong.
He did have a few "wow" plays though....very few.
I don't see him doing much in the pros, but I hope I'm wrong.
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wkfan
Posts: 1,641
May 3, 2016 2:53pm
One great play does not a playmaker make.wildcats20;1794665 wrote:Yup...Braxton Miller not a playmaker as a WR.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
May 3, 2016 3:18pm
Yeah Braxton was pretty much non-existent except for that great game he had against VTech.
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sportswizuhrd
Posts: 3,215
May 3, 2016 4:28pm
Didnt realize how bad it was until I looked at the numbers.sleeper;1794671 wrote:Yeah Braxton was pretty much non-existent except for that great game he had against VTech.
3 Games over 50 yards.
3 Games less than a 1 yard
2 Games with more than 2 catches.
Midstate01
Posts: 14,766
May 3, 2016 5:42pm
I think Braxton will be just fine for the Texans. Especially with Hopkins and fuller also there.
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Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
May 3, 2016 5:56pm
Braxton miller is a major project at the receiver. Let's stop acting like he is the next Wes welker. I doubt he lasts 3 years in the NFL honestly
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Midstate01
Posts: 14,766
May 3, 2016 7:36pm
I'm more worried about Braxton away from the field than on it. Ever since yes declared for the draft, he's constantly posting pics in different cars, with all these fancy shoes, bags, clothes. Seems like he's spending at a level that's not very smart.
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Sonofanump
May 3, 2016 8:46pm
Is there a list of the Browns UDFA?
Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
May 3, 2016 8:53pm
I can't wait for this
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Mulva
Posts: 13,650
May 3, 2016 8:54pm
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2016/4/30/11545610/undrafted-free-agent-signings-tracker-2016-nfl-draft-udfasSonofanump;1794687 wrote:Is there a list of the Browns UDFA?
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Sonofanump
May 3, 2016 9:36pm
Thanks, for those not wanting to click:
[h=4]Cleveland Browns[/h]Dominique Alexander, LB, Oklahoma
Andrew Baggett, K, Missouri
Brad Craddock, K, Maryland
Kenya Dennis, CB, Missouri
J.P. Holtz, TE, Pittsburgh
Tracy Howard, CB, Miami
Nile Lawrence-Stample, DT, Florida State
Mike Matthews, C, Texas A&M
Kyle Rose, DT, West Virginia
Patrick Skov, FB, Georgia Tech
A.J. Stamps, S, Kentucky
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
May 4, 2016 7:30am
Ohio boy, I'll be rooting for him.Sonofanump;1794697 wrote:Thanks, for those not wanting to click:
Cleveland Browns
Kyle Rose, DT, West Virginia
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
May 4, 2016 7:54am
Brent Sobleski ‏@brentsobleski 20h20 hours ago Browns *potential* starting O-line:
LT - Thomas
LG - Bitonio
C - Erving
RG - Greco
RT - Coleman
All of them started at LT in college.
Interesting tidbit. BR thinks all are overrated.
LT - Thomas
LG - Bitonio
C - Erving
RG - Greco
RT - Coleman
All of them started at LT in college.
Interesting tidbit. BR thinks all are overrated.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
May 4, 2016 7:57am
I hope moving Erving to center makes him more comfortable and improves his production.Commander of Awesome;1794722 wrote:Brent Sobleski ‏@brentsobleski 20h20 hours ago Browns *potential* starting O-line:
LT - Thomas
LG - Bitonio
C - Erving
RG - Greco
RT - Coleman
All of them started at LT in college.
Interesting tidbit. BR thinks all are overrated.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
May 4, 2016 8:48am
Be nice to get SOMETHING out of Erving. He was hot garbage last year.like_that;1794723 wrote:I hope moving Erving to center makes him more comfortable and improves his production.
Benny The Jet
Posts: 2,987
May 4, 2016 9:42am
Where from?Commander of Awesome;1794720 wrote:Ohio boy, I'll be rooting for him.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
May 4, 2016 9:52am
Centerville.Benny The Jet;1794730 wrote:Where from?