sleeper;1773498 wrote:He's the worst. I'd rather have noodle arm Weeden or noodle arm Quinn than watch Manziel scramble around like an idiot for 4 quarters. He has no business being in the NFL and this doesn't even include his off the field stuff.

Commander of Awesome;1773432 wrote:THIS JUST IN: Mets VP Paul DePodesta is leaving baseball to become Browns' chief strategy officer. (via @mortreport & multiple reports)
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BR1986FB;1773489 wrote:Agreed.

Unless the QB walks into the perfect storm (a ready made team) like Roethlisberger or Flacco did, it will probably be pretty ugly.

Goff, Lynch or whoever likely won't have the weapons & the protection right out of the gate, like those guys did. Right now, JT's return could be iffy (might want out/regime might want to move him), Mack is likely out the door and Schwartz is a FA. That's 3/5's of your O-Line possibly gone with a rookie coming in? I'd probably throw the rookie in about week 8, or so. Let him watch the speed of the game a little.

And I certainly wouldn't start a QB because the fan base would be "annoyed" if you didn't.

BR1986FB;1773510 wrote:It wouldn't make sense for the Skins' to trade within their division (unless he was released) but it would be so sweet if Little "Billy's" plan backfired and the Cowboys traded for RGIII and Johnny Boy ended up in the Arena League....

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/should-cowboys-push-for-rg3-or-manziel-to-back-up-romo--190053089.html

Good lord....

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2016/01/theres_a_johnny_manziel_billy.html

BR1986FB;1773499 wrote:Maybe the worst in your lifetime but you didn't watch Todd Philcox take over for Kosar....guys like Paul McDonald, Terry Luck, Dave Mays, Eric Zeier, Charlie Frye (you've seen), Ken Dorsey,Ty Detmer & Spergon Wynn. Manziel was far from great but those guys were absolute abortions. Weeden sucked ass but he had far from a noodle arm. If he had one thing going for him, he had a cannon. That's about all he had going for him.

Al Bundy;1773513 wrote:Why would you want either of those as a backup? I'd rather have a veteran game manager for a backup than turnover machines

sleeper;1773514 wrote:You would defend Weeden. : thumbup:

Azubuike24;1773486 wrote:I actually think the opposite, unless the QB has a very, very high pedigree or has experience in a pro-style system. I don't see a guy like that in this draft, regardless of "where he's picked."

Look at a guy like Brock Osweiler. Former 2nd round, highly-touted prospects. Not elite though. He sat behind Peyton for a year and a half and then finally got the chance. He's done OKAY. The book is still out on him.

Had you given him the reigns of a team from day one (and keep in mind, this guy would be given the reigns of the Browns offense), he absolutely wouldn't develop into anything.

I suppose there is no right answer, but reaching for a QB like Goff of Lynch, and THEN starting him day one in a brand new regime with average talent around him and an average OL, would be a disaster.

like_that;1773549 wrote:Yeah, if your team is going to suck ass, you might as well throw out your first round QB out there. This is why it didn't make sense why they didn't start Manziel this year. The few times I have seen the whole sit a year or two approach work with a rookie QB is when they actually had a legitimate starter and were a competitive team.

BR1986FB;1773546 wrote:One thing I like about these new metrics dudes is that I think the coaching staff is going to need to be much more accountable.
These candidates are going to have to be on their toes. "Analytics" is going to be key. If the front office asks "what are the three plays on 3rd & 10 with the most likelihood of success" they'd better know their shit.

IggyPride00;1773483 wrote:If they draft a QB with that 2nd pick, it is imperative the guy start from day 1 and take his lumps this season.

Sonofanump;1773559 wrote:Maybe these metrics dudes will like WRs and the Browns might draft one...

Sonofanump;1773558 wrote:....Joseph Heller would probably have (a) term for this quandary.

iclfan2;1773589 wrote:This is do or die for Scheiner. They're all his buddies, basically staking his career on this. Head coach is going to be super important. They seem to be interviewing everybody, but they have to have a favorite or 2.


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BR1986FB;1773594 wrote:The problem could lie in that, with the new metric guys, there could be some candidates that shy away from this opportunity. This is something that is pretty new. It's interesting but I'm waiting to see how metrics, which seem to work very well in baseball, translate to football.

BRF;1773577 wrote:I wonder how many of our 25 posters get that.