sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Dec 2, 2015 4:47pm
Then you will have someone come on and here and say "We need to do something about this!"j_crazy;1767018 wrote:i know you're joking, but you just KNOW someone is dumb enough to make that argument.
majorspark
Posts: 5,122
Dec 2, 2015 5:07pm
If the initial reports are true and there are three well armed gunmen in body armor and a plan to escape the scene, this is not the act of some mentally ill individual with a gun.
wildcats20
Posts: 27,794
Dec 2, 2015 5:07pm
Police are saying 14 dead and at least 14 others injured.
majorspark
Posts: 5,122
Dec 2, 2015 5:15pm
Reading reports that a Christmas party for county employees was going on at the time.
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Wolves of Babylon
Posts: 408
Dec 2, 2015 5:22pm
What we need is to have a discussion about this.sleeper;1767047 wrote:Then you will have someone come on and here and say "We need to do something about this!"
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Belly35
Posts: 9,716
Dec 2, 2015 5:22pm
My daughter who works in the developmental disabled health field think this building was an administration, counselors, social workers and job shop type building.
Plenty of non developmental disabled individuals capable of protecting the innocent if provided with the proper training and equipment. Also if the proper training of staff members in terrorist attack procedures or a plan was in place more lives would be saved.
We as a society cant take attack like this without a plan, civilian support and training any longer.
Plenty of non developmental disabled individuals capable of protecting the innocent if provided with the proper training and equipment. Also if the proper training of staff members in terrorist attack procedures or a plan was in place more lives would be saved.
We as a society cant take attack like this without a plan, civilian support and training any longer.
Apple
Posts: 2,620
Dec 2, 2015 5:25pm
We're talking California here... most likely an early solstice party or at best a holiday party. No way it was a Christmas party!majorspark;1767055 wrote:Reading reports that a Christmas party for county employees was going on at the time.
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Dec 2, 2015 5:25pm
How would we go about this training? Who would pay for it? Who would be involved? What would qualify someone to undergo such training?Belly35;1767057 wrote:My daughter who works in the developmental disabled health field think this building was an administration, counselors, social workers and job shop type building.
Plenty of non developmental disabled individuals capable of protecting the innocent if provided with the proper training and equipment. Also if the proper training of staff members in terrorist attack procedures or a plan was in place more lives would be saved.
We as a society cant take attack like this without a plan, civilian support and training any longer.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Dec 2, 2015 5:41pm
IMO it's futile to discuss rational issues with an irrational person (see Pro Sports Forum, anything with Manziel and Footwedge). But by all means, continue, because his irrationality is entertaining lolAutomatik;1767059 wrote:How would we go about this training? Who would pay for it? Who would be involved? What would qualify someone to undergo such training?
Apple
Posts: 2,620
Dec 2, 2015 5:47pm
I was about to say that I didn't think belly would advocate to have persons with mental disabilities be armed. That said, it sounds like he knows a little more about it than I or even some (most?) here on the OC.
I do believe, like Belly, that an armed public is for the betterment of the community. These so-called "Gun-Free Zones" shout out to people who want to do harm that here is an easy target!
If there is the possibility that an armed citizen is around then there is the possibility that less harm may be done.
I do believe, like Belly, that an armed public is for the betterment of the community. These so-called "Gun-Free Zones" shout out to people who want to do harm that here is an easy target!
If there is the possibility that an armed citizen is around then there is the possibility that less harm may be done.
Apple
Posts: 2,620
Dec 2, 2015 5:59pm
A good place to start may be have those who know teach those who don't? What a stupid question!Automatik;1767059 wrote:How would we go about this training?
How about starting by having those who want to get trained pay for it themselves? Why put the responsibility on others when you can, and should, do it yourself? or maybe you're having a case of the entitlement feelz?Automatik;1767059 wrote:Who would pay for it?
Anyone who wants to be assertive enough to take the personal initiative to want to protect him/herself and protect others!Automatik;1767059 wrote:Who would be involved? What would qualify someone to undergo such training?
Geez… almost sounds like you want the government to get involved in something you have the right to do yourself!
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sportchampps
Posts: 7,361
Dec 2, 2015 6:10pm
There's a chase underway
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sportchampps
Posts: 7,361
Dec 2, 2015 6:12pm
Can hear lots of shots fired over police scanner also calling for medical help now
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sportchampps
Posts: 7,361
Dec 2, 2015 6:13pm
I think they caught one
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Dec 2, 2015 6:14pm
If there is the possibility that I am Santa Clause, then there is the possibility I will be giving you presents this Christmas.Apple;1767064 wrote:
If there is the possibility that an armed citizen is around then there is the possibility that less harm may be done.
Both statements are equally provable.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Dec 2, 2015 6:16pm
Apple;1767066 wrote: Why put the responsibility on others when you can, and should, do it yourself? or maybe you're having a case of the entitlement feelz?
Why allow the possibility of an untrained person, still licensed to own and operate a gun, returning fire in a crowded area?
Learning how to use a gun is one thing. Learning how to accurately shoot under pressure is a completely different thing. I suppose to you and Belly though, there's no difference.
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sportchampps
Posts: 7,361
Dec 2, 2015 6:17pm
Sound like they stopped the car probably shot 1 in the car one outside the car and maybe 1 still running officer down as well. Sounds like a minor gun shot
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Dec 2, 2015 6:17pm
The point of this post is to show that the narrative proffered by Apple is as equally provable as me proving I'm Santa Clause.lhslep134;1767070 wrote:If there is the possibility that I am Santa Clause, then there is the possibility I will be giving you presents this Christmas.
Both statements are equally provable.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Dec 2, 2015 6:18pm
Are you following on the local news? Just curious how you learned what the police scanner is saying.sportchampps;1767072 wrote:Sound like they stopped the car probably shot 1 in the car one outside the car and maybe 1 still running officer down as well. Sounds like a minor gun shot
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sportchampps
Posts: 7,361
Dec 2, 2015 6:20pm
From the police scanner
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sportchampps
Posts: 7,361
Dec 2, 2015 6:21pm
They don't think anyone was running now it sounds like
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sportchampps
Posts: 7,361
Dec 2, 2015 6:31pm
Guy in truck still alive with AR strapped to him also hearing about pipe bombs
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Dec 2, 2015 6:34pm
sportchampps;1767075 wrote:From the police scanner
Do you live around there? If so, I completely missed that the first time around.
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friendfromlowry
Posts: 6,239
Dec 2, 2015 6:41pm
I see your daughter left out the part where the people that staff this industry are typically women, sometimes older, and out of shape. Still feeling confident in training them to ward off attackers with combat gear and assault rifles? Look, you want to propose we eliminate gun free zones and more people get their CCW's, then I'd agree it'd help. But your half-ass plan of "providing proper training and equipment" in this scenario isn't making a difference.Belly35;1767057 wrote:My daughter who works in the developmental disabled health field think this building was an administration, counselors, social workers and job shop type building.
Plenty of non developmental disabled individuals capable of protecting the innocent if provided with the proper training and equipment. Also if the proper training of staff members in terrorist attack procedures or a plan was in place more lives would be saved.
We as a society cant take attack like this without a plan, civilian support and training any longer.
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sportchampps
Posts: 7,361
Dec 2, 2015 6:41pm
More shots fired it sounds like